Retainer Level?

I know this has been brought up before, but why do retainers have levels? I see "Level 1" on both of my retainers in the list, and it's been there since launch if I remember. I was wondering why it's STILL there and if there will be some way to implement it in the future. Maybe increased storage or decreased taxes or something for higher level retainers? How would they level up?

They don't. It was an idea that has either been scrapped or delayed until post 2.0.

Why is it still displayed? Because it takes some amount of work to remove, probably.

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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引用元：Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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Thanks for the information, Rukkirii!

Wonder what retainers could do though in place of not increasing their inventory size. The only things that come to mind are perhaps increasing the amount of x item type they can hold, or increase the amount of items they can put up on bazaar. So if you gather a lot of lumber and find yourself holding onto a lot of it, when your retainer levels you can increase the quantity of "wood type" products held by 100%. Or increase bazaar size by 2.

Or maybe since we do have spiritbonding in the game now a lv could also open the option to allow your NPC to work on spiritbonding 1 piece of gear up to 5 pieces of unique equipment upon obtaining 5 lvs or something like that.

It would be neat to see what their original idea of it was though odds are they were going to be concepts to make finding items easier but seeing as that's alrdy done they pretty much have to think of new implementation for a retainers lv lol.

I'd like to be able to gear up my retainer and have her follow me around as I generally harrass the populace and kill monsters. The tsukomi to my boke. The straight woman to my generally light personality. If she gains exp while I do so, even better. :O

I guessing they make them like the npc from ffxi where you could fight with them

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引用元：Airget

Wonder what retainers could do though in place of not increasing their inventory size.

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My retainer's really cute. Maybe I could make him my butler. He could give me foot massages. :D

Yesssssssss. My kawaii Hyur waifus are gonna be useful to me! ;) ;)

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引用元：Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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Good idea but what a waste of it!!! if there inventory slot levels dont also increase!!! ~ still like the idea tho

wait a sec.... we can grind level retainers?
How?

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引用元：Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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I would love to see something similar, the more options factor but for Path companions too. Thank you for your reply!

I think it would be nice if one of their benefits were to auto-restock their bazaar from their inventory based on your instructions. Or allow them to 'mail' you items from their posts when you're not where they are. And maybe be able to mail them stuff so you don't have to go into town or the wards to drop stuff on them. And check their inventory from anywhere from the menu.

I could See this being just like companions in Swtor, they went and gathered for you at the cost of some gold and also you could have one fight with you. only think i can see a level system on them being used for.

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引用元：Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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Does this mean that in 2.0 we will still be utilizing the Market Wards? Will I still have to look up prices from one NPC and then run to my retainer to list my stuff? I feel sick to my tummy...

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引用元：Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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Ah well this explains.. I was always wondering why they had levels. Figured you all at one time had something planned for them which changed with the new team coming into play.

I have a small update regarding retainer levels to share with you. :cool:

Based on the feedback we collected in the past, the dev. team is looking to implement different features for your retainer as they level up. For example, we are looking into allowing retainers to perform chores, such as gathering.

As soon as we receive detailed information on leveling up your friendly caretakers and the tasks that they will be able to perform at certain levels, we will be sure to let you know!

Chores indeed...

Cuts me deep it does.

Oh... yay... SE really hates gathering don't they? From the videos they've shown, it's pretty clear the new gathering system wasn't designed for gatherers. Now gathering is "a chore" that you can get an NPC to do for you?

Way to keep telling us to do something else. Here's a shocker, some of us actually enjoy gathering. I'm really afraid of what you guys did to fishing...

Here's what I feel Retainer's should do while I"m logged out:

Collect tells I receive: The player "Hiir Noivl" is not online but your /tell has been received by her retainer "Bob"

Repair my gear automatically when stored for a certain amount of time.... *hope this one is not too controversial but I hated having to pull stuff out of retainer, repair it and then put it back so I can sell*


Batch transfer items, while I'm away. *example: I can set my retainer to auto refill my stock so that my store is always full*

Why not just remove gathering altogether? /dislike

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引用元：HiirNoivl

Batch transfer items, while I'm away. *example: I can set my retainer to auto refill my stock so that my store is always full*

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While this is nice, it's kinda like botting.

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引用元：AmandaHuggenkiss

While this is nice, it's kinda like botting.

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It's a fine line isn't it? :(

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引用元：Rukkirii

I have a small update regarding retainer levels to share with you. :cool:

Based on the feedback we collected in the past, the dev. team is looking to implement different ways of easy mode

As soon as we receive detailed information on leveling up your friendly caretakers and the tasks that they will be able to perform at certain levels, we will be sure to let you know!

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Hmm...... Fixed it for you

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引用元：LlenCoram

Oh... yay... SE really hates gathering don't they? From the videos they've shown, it's pretty clear the new gathering system wasn't designed for gatherers. Now gathering is "a chore" that you can get an NPC to do for you?

Way to keep telling us to do something us. Here's a shocker, some of us actually enjoy gathering. I'm really afraid of what you guys did to fishing...

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wait... what video... why is it not for gatherers?
if it's from alpha test...and the point is about sharing location with others...
from someone's magazine translation, the new gathering point will be only for you only. you will not share your point with other person.

it's too early to say about this in-game-bot gathering thing... maybe when you send it to gather whole day, it only return 20 pieces...that you can get these in 10 mins.

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引用元：Deli

wait... what video... why is it not for gatherers?
if it's from alpha test...and the point is about sharing location with others...
from someone's magazine translation, the new gathering point will be only for you only. you will not share your point with other person.

it's too early to say about this in-game-bot gathering thing... maybe when you send it to gather whole day, it only return 20 pieces...that you can get these in 10 mins.

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The videos they've been showing, the early views. I realise it's alpha and things are meant to change, but it's a pretty telling direction they're taking it in. What I'm talking about is the overall design. Run to tree, click tree, pick item, roll dice, rinse and repeat. In the old (1.0) system, gathering required, if not skill, at least the semblance of skill. It needed you to know where things were and how to get them (nodes, notches, whatever). In the new system it looks like it's all laid out for you. It's weird, sure, but that's fine. My biggest problem is that they've turned the entire profession into a random number generator. In the old system, if you were good, you were guaranteed _something_ every single chop/swing/jig. With this new system, it looks like you're subject to the whims of a dice roll.

From what the videos show, it's really clear what idea they want for gathering. That idea is speed. They don't care about skill, or know-how, or anything. All the new system cares about is how fast you can get what you want. It's a gathering system built entirely for crafters.

I'm sure it'll change at higher levels, and that all they've shown us is really low-level stuff, but still. It's scary, and any gatherer who truly enjoyed doing it in 1.0 should be scared.

A chore? I think crafting is a chore SE, why not let my retainer do that for me?

I wonder if I can rename my retainer to Hom.

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引用元：Rukkirii

I have a small update regarding retainer levels to share with you. :cool:

Based on the feedback we collected in the past, the dev. team is looking to implement different features for your retainer as they level up. For example, we are looking into allowing retainers to perform chores, such as gathering.

As soon as we receive detailed information on leveling up your friendly caretakers and the tasks that they will be able to perform at certain levels, we will be sure to let you know!

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What kind of gathering? I wouldn't mind if my retainer tended plants in my house, since I hated gardening in XI. Maybe the retainer can have an upgrade allowing us to change their default clothing?

If I'm not mistaken, there is a similar system to having your "retainer" do gathering for you in Monster Hunter. You, the adventurer, would send out this one Felyne to go do gathering for you. You could send it to certain areas, and it may take a few days for it to return. Each area had multiple points I think you could send him and he could come back with something rare, or a lot of stuff like bugs from the area you sent him to. If I recall, you could specify what you were hoping to get. (In this case it would perhaps be based off of one of the gathering tools in FFXIV, and what those tools could gather. Example: Scythe = veggies, plants/herbs, cocoons, etc.) It didn't compare to what you could go collect on your own, but it was kind of nice for the Felyne to go get you those little things. I think you have to spend Pokke points for him to go on a journey, though. So, maybe it would be the same here?

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引用元：LlenCoram

I'm sure it'll change at higher levels, and that all they've shown us is really low-level stuff, but still. It's scary, and any gatherer who truly enjoyed doing it in 1.0 should be scared.

A chore? I think crafting is a chore SE, why not let my retainer do that for me?

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oh. I actually sort of enjoy the new gathering more with the abilities involving in the later stage.
Skills can be used only when you continuously hit on stuffs. So, a lot of time, I strategically hit the low lv items first to ensure I can pop the skill. Then, I switch to higher lv item that has much lower %, but now the % doubled. if I failed any one of the low lv item, then I straight go hit the higher lv items... later the debate for skill uses will start to become do I want more quantity or do I want to more gathering chance...? for lving, it is do I want to hit low%/high exp item or high%/low exp item...

to me, I think the mini-game changed from precise action game to strategic game. I guess that's where some ppl <3 some ppl </3

I hope I can have my retainer list things in the market, along with the other things mentioned in this thread, via my web browser whilst my character is playing in-game questing/exploring/farming.

It would be good if she could catch /shouts in her home city too and display them in the same web-based interface.

I'm with LlenCoram.... the revised gathering system that's been shown to us thus far seems lacking compared to what we had. Basically we're moving from [nearly guaranteed (with skill) item of any kind but you can skew the odds towards a certain item via a minigame] to [no guaranteed item because of /random but you can focus 100% on a single material through the "minigame" of clicking on it]. Not an improvement if you ask me.

About the only positive thing I've heard so far is the addition of more node levels so that earning experience points, especially at lv40+, isn't such a pain anymore.

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引用元：Deli

oh. I actually sort of enjoy the new gathering more with the abilities involving in the later stage.
Skills can be used only when you continuously hit on stuffs. So, a lot of time, I strategically hit the low lv items first to ensure I can pop the skill. Then, I switch to higher lv item that has much lower %, but now the % doubled. if I failed any one of the low lv item, then I straight go hit the higher lv items... later the debate for skill uses will start to become do I want more quantity or do I want to more gathering chance...? for lving, it is do I want to hit low%/high exp item or high%/low exp item...

to me, I think the mini-game changed from precise action game to strategic game. I guess that's where some ppl <3 some ppl </3

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I can absolutely see the appeal, don't get me wrong, but I don't like that it's all RNG now. Honestly, I hope I'm so wrong about my assumptions that everyone in the community laughs at me until the end of time. I'll gladly take that if I can set myself up on the cliffs of La Noscea and fish for 10, 12, 15 hours straight like I used to in 1.0. All I want is my fishing back. If the new minigame is absolute loads of fun higher levels, then that's fine.

I just hope I'm wrong.

Whats the highest level perk? sexual favors? lol

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引用元：Deli

oh. I actually sort of enjoy the new gathering more with the abilities involving in the later stage.
Skills can be used only when you continuously hit on stuffs. So, a lot of time, I strategically hit the low lv items first to ensure I can pop the skill. Then, I switch to higher lv item that has much lower %, but now the % doubled. if I failed any one of the low lv item, then I straight go hit the higher lv items... later the debate for skill uses will start to become do I want more quantity or do I want to more gathering chance...? for lving, it is do I want to hit low%/high exp item or high%/low exp item...

to me, I think the mini-game changed from precise action game to strategic game. I guess that's where some ppl <3 some ppl </3

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In 1.0 I could gather items higher level than me through strategy and skill. I worked out a method to optimally identify where a new item was in the "strike" minigame, and to figure out its "depth". After encountering it a couple of times, I would begin to recognize it by its remainder bar length, and be able to strike it correct on the first try. In cases where 2 items shared a remainder bar in a zone, I would strike the more common one, or the higher level one first depending on whether I would get 2 more strikes and neccessity. When maxed on that class, I would tune my gear so that in areas where I felt confident I would sacrifice gathering for perception and deal with the occasional 2-strike, in higher-risk areas or when I was distracted I would stack gathering and just 1-strike everything. In Iron lake, where the item levels were low and none shared a remainder length, I could tear through nodes with one strike 100% of the time and hit the NEW AND IMPROVED gathering cap in about 90 minutes.

What I have seen of gathering in 2.0, to identify an item you hit 3 shards in a row, activate your % boost, and roll the dice on a 25% chance. If you identify it, and the item is higher level than you, you proceed to not gather it since the chance to succeed on stuff higher than you, even with the % boost, was awful.

The system in 2.0 appears to lack any real depth and didn't seem finished, I understand what we have seen til now is alpha and subject to change, but "chore" comments do not fill me with enthusiasm.

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引用元：Rukkirii

I have a small update regarding retainer levels to share with you. :cool:

Based on the feedback we collected in the past, the dev. team is looking to implement different features for your retainer as they level up. For example, we are looking into allowing retainers to perform chores, such as gathering.

As soon as we receive detailed information on leveling up your friendly caretakers and the tasks that they will be able to perform at certain levels, we will be sure to let you know!

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That's pretty cool you can make your retainer gather for you, I tried mining and it was pretty boring. Thumbs up for this new feature.

>< I fell for it.

I'm rather worried that the economy is going to be very broken. It's not exactly hard to level the class, and now that gathering fatigue is being removed combined with this. Soo many resources going to be on the market. It's not that difficult to move from one gathering node to the other.

Same here Zezlar. Gathering was my bread and butter. My poor Hiir is going to need some other way to make gil if the market is flooded by retainer gathered items.

Can my retainer run CC/AV please? That was a chore to me. In fact, any dungeon running that has to be done more than 20 times a week is classified as "chore"

Every time I logged in, I'd be offered a grind party to level some DoW class I didn't care about (all of them). I always chose gathering over grinding, 'cause grinding was a chore. Can I have my retainer grind my character when I'm offline please? It's a chore afterall.