SAM changes 6.1 again

(Eng is not my native language, sorry for mistakes)
Nothing new, the changes are just unaceptable,

To reduce button bloat there's few solutions without even think more than 4 seconds:

• Make namikiri and ikishôten on the same button
• Shoha become Shoha 2 get more potency
• Guren become Senei and get more potency

Guren and shoha 2 are just useless except 2 times/ dungeons wich is actually so braindead that you don't even need them cause mobs are sooooo weak.

What benefits to remove kaiten? None
What drawbacks?

• Kenki gauge is now useless, you don't managed it anymore
• Same APM cause kenki generation is untouched
• Nerf in crit comp
• No more dopamine when you hit a crit DH iajutsu or namikiri (btw inner chaos deals the same dammage as midare, great)
• A feeling of emptyness wich remove all the fun of the job
• Lost of a great animation

Btw about goken, i personnaly dislike the circular now cause we lost range and the new animation is pretty uggly if you compare but hey, it's a nerf cause it doesn't auto crit, so even this, is not a positive effet.

Dev faces a shitstorm during a LL and so many people are complaining or switch to another job so MAYBE we can agree there is a problem here.

This can be really easily fixed: revert it. Now.

Get this changes 2 weeks before ultimate is quite embarrassing, nerfing and job and kill the fun that much just leads people to switch to another jobs, enjoy if you don't have bis on this job.

There are countless other forum threads, right here in the DPS sub-forum. I'm sure you're legitimately upset about this change, of removing one skill, that only increased the potency of the next weaponskill by 50%. I'm also sure that this fresh forum account was made purely because of your feelings towards this skills removal, and not created for creating yet another thread about the same topic that has been covered dozens of times already.

I'm sorry that SAM is now completely broken, and useless due to the removal of such an important skill, and that so many other SAM mains have quit due to the loss of dopamine and not about the DPS gain it gave, on the next weapon skill used.

I also am fully aware of how much this sucks, for the players who main SAM due to the "Feel", and "Uniqueness" of the job, and certainly not it being part of the META team comp for most content.

Best of luck, getting the changes reverted, so your job, is not completely broken, useless, and pointless and your dopamine rush is restored.

Happy Travels, my friend.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

I'm also sure that this fresh forum account was made purely because of your feelings towards this skills removal, and not created for creating yet another thread about the same topic that has been covered dozens of times already.

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I seen your passive aggressive/dismissing/trolling posts many a times. Aside from you doing exactly what you're stating... There are methods to check a players existence through "activity" if their validity is in question. By that, Liohna is a veteran - and you HolyReign...still a troll. So no, it is not " just " another account, it's a player feedback from an experienced player that's expressed and valued.

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Originally Posted by Liohna

(Eng is not my native language, sorry for mistakes)
Nothing new, the changes are just unaceptable,

This can be really easily fixed: revert it. Now.

Get this changes 2 weeks before ultimate is quite embarrassing, nerfing and job and kill the fun that much just leads people to switch to another jobs, enjoy if you don't have bis on this job.

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First, Welcome to the FFXIV Forums Liohna ^-^;

English isn't my native language either, but I read you loud and clear mhm. From Cerberus I see, your solutions and feedback match quite many other Samurai's across other Datacenters and Servers. I am glad to see that it's almost unanimous regardless of where we're from, many agree that the 6.1 changes were unacceptable. Thank you for sharing your personal feedback. I'll add your voice to the " Compiled SAM thread against 6.1 / Kaiten removal ".

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

I'm also sure that this fresh forum account was made purely because of your feelings towards this skills removal, and not created for creating yet another thread about the same topic that has been covered dozens of times already.

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As Celesti said, you have my full name, that's easy to check if i'm "just another acount" i'm just a sadmurai, so upset by the murder of my job that i want to add my voice to those of my fellows, if there is so much thread, there is a reason.

Thanks Celesti :) i really hope our voice will be heard!

I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to label me as a, "Troll." simply on the case that I have differing opinions and feelings about Kaiten, and it's removal.

Also, feedback goes both ways, and there being a difference in opinions and feelings, certainly would be valued over just being dismissed because it doesn't echo what others have said.

But no hard feelings, I know it must be hard on SAM mains to have the job's identity removed due to one less skill on their bars. No one likes changes to their favorite/main job, unless they are good buffs, ect.

I hope that, people will start to see, that having a consistency to their DPS, with certain skills auto-critting, brings a certain level of elegance to the job, having a feel of being a true master of the blade with precise strikes and alike, opposed to a brute going HAM with a katana in hand.

Happy Travels, and have a Great Day!!!

I can't imagine considering the current Samurai 'elegant.' It's flat, uninspired, without rhythm, without artistry. But not everyone is an artist, unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Liohna

sadmurai

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Lol! I've been trying to settle on a new main ever since they butchered samurai - maybe I'm just a sadmurai main and didn't realize it! XD I love puns, bless you.

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Originally Posted by HolyReign

I hope that, people will start to see, that having a consistency to their DPS, with certain skills auto-critting, brings a certain level of elegance to the job, having a feel of being a true master of the blade with precise strikes and alike, opposed to a brute going HAM with a katana in hand.

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Kaiten was a big part of what made it feel elegant before, serving as a wind-up skill for that precise strike you're talking about - simply popping Iaijutsu is what feels like going ham.

That said, I actually have nothing against auto-crit - I can see lowering variance as a worthy goal and that solution makes sense.

The problem is that in the current iteration, the auto-crit feels weak. The new guaranteed crit hits for less than our previous non-crits hit for, and I say that literally.

imo the auto-direct-crit that warriors get when using Berserk and Infuriate feels satisfying even though it's auto, and I'd argue that there's 2 primary reasons for that:

1) Warriors have a wind-up skill for their auto-direct-crits - Berserk or Infuriate - which largely serve the same function that Kaiten used to, and they're not actually auto - they're only auto when prepped with a wind-up.

2) When warriors auto-direct-crit a Fel Cleave, for example, it does WAY more damage than their kit typically outputs, making it feel extremely impactful.

Samurai no longer has a wind-up skill and also no longer does way more damage with their auto-crits relative to the rest of their kit - and not because of potency nerfs, but because of the removal of Kaiten.

Do you guys have to make the same thread every day?

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Good. Saves me the trouble of doing it myself. Bring Kaiten back SE! (please)

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Originally Posted by Lilyth

Do you guys have to make the same thread every day?

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Good. Saves me the trouble of doing it myself. Bring Kaiten back SE! (please)

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Agreed! Revert 6.1!

Just watched a vod of my first P4S clear. Holy shit I miss kaiten even more than ever. And big ogi/midare crits. PLEASE REVERT.

To: HolyReign cont:
Besides your hypocritical derailment of the topic, the only thing you have presented so far is:
"I hope that, people will start to see, that having a consistency to their DPS, with certain skills auto-critting, brings a certain level of elegance to the job, having a feel of being a true master of the blade with precise strikes and alike, opposed to a brute going HAM with a katana in hand."

Certainly a fair opinion to have, but is 100% subjective, and not one shared by most of the samurai community. To me, the current iteration feels far more flat and clunky.
- sure, part of it is just muscle memory that has been built up over the years.
- That its the opposite of finesse.
(Finesse: 1. refinement or delicacy of workmanship, structure, or texture, or... 2. skillful handling of a situation : adroit maneuvering)
The change did the exact opposite. It removes skill from the situation (what little their was). It removed effort, it did not refine the effort.
Not only does it feel more clunky and they remove what effort was required, but the rotation also feels hollow. You are no longer involved in making your big hits big hits. Its automatic now (not to mention they arn't big hits in the first place anymore).
- "that having a consistency to their DPS" and to touch on this point specifically. There are other solutions to this without robbing the job of its options, or feel. There are other classes out there that outputs middling damage consistently. Why not choose one of those classes then if thats the game play style you desire? I am 100% against class homogenization. Spike damage was SAM identity.

Out of your subjective reasons for defending the changes, I believe you are 100% backwards as to the achieved results.

Objectively, what is bare bone (and a negative to the class) fact:
- SAM still has the same amount of button spam/action bloat, now it is just autopilot shinten spam. SE's stated issue wasn't resolved by their solution. It just added to the problem (if it was one, which I don't agree with) by making the same number of buttons/actions more mindless and didn't fix anything. (also, I would argue shinten is far more awkward and obscure in the chain then Kaiten).
- The Kenki gauge has been rendered pointless past a resource bucket. There is no management anymore, just simple spending when you have it.
- The thrill of big hits and feeling like the strategic nuke the party brought along is no longer there. Its great for you that you enjoy the current game play more. But without question, many samurai players were playing the class for that feeling of game style. Many of us have played this class since its iteration and having the entirely identity of the class restructured to be something entirely different is not only jarring, but without question disappointing as well. It would be effectively psychopathic to not be able to recognize that very very simple point.

in conclusion...

I take other issues with these changes (as well as the removal of cone shaped AoE) also... but the key issues were the removal of Kaiten and the flat, boring game play that robbed the class of its enjoyment were the main issues...


Now, ignoring your original childish posts and giving you the benefit of the doubt, I actually responded to you in the theme of the discussion and not with the childish bickering that you gave the impression of fishing for. Hopefully you are able to provide a point of reason defending your position that isn't entirely subjective (and by all means, your person opinion is fine as well, but I hope you can acknowledge that subjective opinions carry very little weight in a discussion like this, past how many actually feel that way. And your side seems to be the minority. It would also help if you didn't share your 'difference of opinion' like a 6 year old with a chip on his shoulder).



Maybe you can change your presence in this thread from ignorant hypocrite to someone that actually wants to the discuss the topic cordially. That part is entirely up to you though...