Garo Glam - no Viera support

Hey guys!

As the title says, it's about that Viera can't be part of the Garo-glam-gang, because they can't wear the fullhelmets of this sets. Without the helmets the Garo-glam just looks really weird/incomplete and it feels like, Viera just can't take part in that fun stuff.

For me this feels really sad. What do you guys think about this?

Greetings :3

PS: Ofc the same is with Hrothgar
(*edit: someone said Hroth can wear it. :3)

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Honestly, I only wanted the Garo event to come back just so I can get the Makai healing robes.

The headgear…. Ehhh, I didn’t expect us to be able to wear them, so I guess I was mentally prepared. At the risk of sounding like a negative Nancy, expect less and you won’t be as disappointed

It's not just about 'helmets' this time. And there 'are' fullhelmets that work. So why not this ones?
This time it's more about that Viera (and Hroth) really can't take part in that glamour Garo thingi, because lots of that sets just work in 'full set'. It looks just strange and incomplete without the fullhelmets.
Yeah it's nothing new that Viera are limited, sadly. But this time it really feels more limiting, because they even can't take part in the event fun-glam-stuff of that Garo glam. Like we..., are just no part of it.

That's the point I asked for, what people think about it. :3

They should honestly just allow it, even if it doesn't make sense.

In Sentai, this character's whole head and snout is somehow able to fit into that helmet. People probably questioned it for 1 whole minute before everyone moved on.

https://i.imgur.com/LgcCQ40.png

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Originally Posted by Barachim

They should honestly just allow it, even if it doesn't make sense.

In Sentai, this character's whole head and snout is somehow able to fit into that helmet. People probably questioned it for 1 whole minute before everyone moved on.

https://i.imgur.com/LgcCQ40.png

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Most people who care enough to question Sentai know not to question Sentai.

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

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I wasn’t sure if Hrothgar could wear the headgear from the Garo event, so I could see why he added that last bit in. Considering you can wear the PVP headgear and Viera can’t, it’s hard to keep track of these things and in result, only speak from our own perspective.

Don’t look too much into it.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Honestly, I wasn’t sure if Hrothgar could wear the headgear from the Garo event, so I could see why he added that last bit in. Considering you can wear the PVP headgear and Viera can’t, it’s hard to keep track of these things and in result, only speak from our own perspective.

Don’t look too much into it.

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I'm not looking too much into it.
It's just something I've observed ever since Shadowbringer.
And now it just slipped out of my "mouth".

It started that threads like Viera and not being able to wear helmets almost barely mentioned Hrothgars, eventhough they both share the same limitations.
But it's appearing more and more that they do mention Hrothgars.
Even if it's simply as a "Oh, and Hrothgars", and then continue rambling on about how it effects the Viera players.
And I always thought like, "It's a shared problem. Why not just show that both are suffering and not just one of them?".

Oh well, personally I'm not really bothered with it.
I'm no stranger to limitations to races in games so I guess I can work around the "problems" it might bring.

I wanted to add, that I am aware that they have the same problem with participating in the Garo event fun glam stuff. :c
And I wanted to ask, how people think about the limited possibility of 'Event activities' in terms of glamour for those races.

But: At least it's much more a problem for the Devs to adjust things for Hroth because of their totally differnt headshape and -structure.
That's why in general it maybe would make more sense to talk about that 2 things in different topics, I guess.
It seems like for Viera it's just a question of 'smaler' adjustments to add things.
For Hroth it seems like it is some kind of 'rework of their complete headstructure' and so on. (if I got Yoshi P. right)

But at least, I wanted to ask about thoughts in terms of the limitations during events, like Garo atm.
And this is indeed same for Viera and Hrothgar. So I added Hroth, yes. :)

Limitations during events are not ideal, but there are some occasions where SE can compromise. Very recently we got a little crown that we can wear and it looks very cute.

But when we are unable to wear certain headgear, which is very often, it suuuuucks. For example, the new PVP helmet… The fact we’re unable to wear it really de-motivated me in working towards getting it, because the headgear just completes the look. Hrothgar on the other hand are able to wear it, but it changes their face shape entirely and makes it more human-like? It’s strange.

We can only hope SE find a nice compromise for both of the limited races, because with each event I do get envious when I see other races wearing something I’m unable to.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

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I remember just a few hours ago making two posts in the Hairstyle thread explaining to people that Viera and Hrothgar being on the same boat does not mean they have the same hierarchy.

I kept being told to please consider that Vieras were indeed also poorly handled by the devs. When in reality I didn't just mean dev treatment (which has been shoddier to Hrothgar to begin with), but the community's interactions about the topic as well. Where Hrothgar never fully appear in the discourse and attentions befall solely on Viera.

Gee. I wonder where I may have hallucinated that...

-_- seriously guys, I get that Viera have it bad, but jeez... Then you guys wonder why it keeps sounding like a race war. It's a race war because no one ever thinks about us, and then crap like the hairstyles happens and everyone pikachu-faces while we just sigh and point out we were seeing it coming.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Don’t look too much into it.

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We don't want to. And I fully understand that you didn't really know whether Hrothgar would work with this gear or not. Being a Viera player yourself, you only know about your experience. So really, we do get it.

But please, understand how much of a sour taste it leaves... This has been our treatment for three years, and it's still ongoing. So it always feels like we're never given a second thought. Could always just ask a Hrothgar you may know if the gear fits or not. That would show we are indeed on the same boat.

Still. Yeah, headgear still not fitting our races. Hell, Hrothgar look god-awful with the monocles, because it's not even attached to our faces. It just kinda hovers there awkwardly!! Even event gear often doesn't fit Viera and Hrothgar... Like, why even bother adding stuff in in the first place at this point?

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

I wanted to add, that I am aware that they have the same problem with participating in the Garo event fun glam stuff. :c
And I wanted to ask, how people think about the limited possibility of 'Event activities' in terms of glamour for those races.

But: At least it's much more a problem for the Devs to adjust things for Hroth because of their totally differnt headshape and -structure.
That's why in general it maybe would make more sense to talk about that 2 things in different topics, I guess.
It seems like for Viera it's just a question of 'smaler' adjustments to add things.
For Hroth it seems like it is some kind of 'rework of their complete headstructure' and so on. (if I got Yoshi P. right)

But at least, I wanted to ask about thoughts in terms of the limitations during events, like Garo atm.
And this is indeed same for Viera and Hrothgar. So I added Hroth, yes. :)

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Yeah.
I didn't mean to sound critical or anything.
Like I mentioned, it's juts something that's been on my mind and just finally slipped out.

It's true that Hrothgars have a very unique shape and is for that reason like you said, something different to work with.
I've noticed tho that a bunch of full helmets simply keeps their original shape, completely removing Hrothgars design.
Also shrinks the head many times.
(Looks hilarious with a big bulky armor and a tiny helmet tho)
So I guess that's one way to solve that problem. ./shrug

For Viera it's the ears that's the problem iirc.
How the ears clips through a lot of headgear looked very displeasing so they just decided to not let them wear it.
Clipping has been a common cause of why SE might've not added stuff.
And they seem pretty firm on that regard.
And yes, I can agree that some headgear would looks kind of weird with the adornments and big bunny ears out of nowhere clip through it.
At least Miqo'te got some "horns" on the helmets so the ears can stay inside.


Elder Scrolls Online does a good job with head gear among Humanoid races and Beast races.
The same helmet for a human will change shape to fit the different races.
(not all but many)

Pics of clear examples just to show.
(I hid them so they won't take up so much room)

https://i0.wp.com/eso.mmo-fashion.co...-4-1.jpg?ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/eso.mmo-fashion.co...ront.jpg?ssl=1
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I think it would been great if more games did this.

GW2 have their racial armor sets as well.
But was years ago so not sure if they've kept adding armor tailored around the frames of different races or not.
I just remember that a lot of pieces didn't fit well/look good in Charr.

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

I wonder if the "PS" including Hrothgars into the topic was added later, due to the edit that was made.
If so, I just find it funny how many Viera people bring up Viera problems and then just add Hrothgar as an after thought at the end.

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Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

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If you're not sure, re-read what I posted, I'm sure it will be most enlightening. In fact, I even proposed an alternative to "Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge". If you don't get it still and want a tldr: it's exhasperation, really.

Still, not wanting to harp on OP any longer because at the end of the day it really wasn't their fault and the matter is trivial, it does seem we CAN wear the Garo gear, but it's not fitting our head at all. Especially not the monocles\eyepatches things. They're hovering massively past our eye. Not even people who wear glasses wear them that far out.

Edit: Post in question about why Hrothgar players feel some level of animosity due to the differences in attention given to one race over another here, with clarifications on the following page.
Again. No hate on Viera. It really does boil down to "Hrothgars are never spoken of when these topics arise, which makes us feel left out, and in turn, makes Square Enix think it's okay to treat us poorly".

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Is the OP playing a hrothgar? Maybe they don't or didn't have knowledge if hrothgar could use the headgear or not? More often than not, neither can use them, but often times hrothgar can use headgear that viera can't use. I'm not sure why lately, many hrothgar players seem to now be taking out their frustrations on viera players.

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Well I thought so even when I wasn't playing a Hrothgar.
And true, Hrothgars can wear some that Viera can't.
And perhaps vice versa as well, can't really say since I haven't played Viera.

But regardless of that, it's a fact that both races share limitations.
But mostly the attention is focused on Viera.
Why not, when bringing up headgear/hairstyle limitations, include both races that share said limitations?
It's just something that's been boggling me for some time now.

Well, I don't want to de-rail the topic any further.
It slipped out of me, that's all.

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Oh, I forgot.
I think the reason more Hrothgars are speaking up now is because ever since 2019, when Shadowbringer released, they were finally gonna get their first addition of new hairstyles.
And what happened, it was a simple copy+paste, removing the ears with it.
Imagine if Viera's ears were cut off when they got older hairstyles added.
So I understand that after so long and get this they finally start speaking up.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

But please, understand how much of a sour taste it leaves... This has been our treatment for three years, and it's still ongoing. So it always feels like we're never given a second thought. Could always just ask a Hrothgar you may know if the gear fits or not. That would show we are indeed on the same boat

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I’ll answer this, and then I’ll leave it at that because majority of your post had little to do with the OP’s question and I feel bad for them.

We do understand the Hrothgar’s issue, I can’t stress that enough and it bothers me when players keep giving off a Viera vs Hrothgar mindset. When Hrothgar’s hairstyles were shown off, me along with many others were incredibly forward and honest with how atrocious these hairstyles were. People who don’t play Hrothgar, and the Viera players both spoke up and demanded higher standards for Hrothgar mains. This was a group effort, that we all accomplished together.. Not just Hrothgars.

A thread on the forums has gone viral and grabbed the attention of both moderators and developers. There has been media reports and articles about the outrage. The unfairness of Hrothgar has been a subject on the forums and amongst the most popular FF streamers… I’m not sure why Viera talking about their issue makes you feel like a second thought, when Hrothgar have been a hot topic for 3 weeks straight, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to go away anytime soon.

We were both brought in as severely restricted races, who can’t wear headgear and we’re unable to wear most in-game hairstyles for 3 years. And I’ll say it again, *we know you have it worse, but it does not mean Viera should feel better about our limitations*

The person we should be turning on is SE. They promised us race exclusive hair in 2019, they decided to flake out on delivering what they promised 3 years ago.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

Limitations during events are not ideal, but there are some occasions where SE can compromise. Very recently we got a little crown that we can wear and it looks very cute.

But when we are unable to wear certain headgear, which is very often, it suuuuucks. For example, the new PVP helmet… The fact we’re unable to wear it really de-motivated me in working towards getting it, because the headgear just completes the look. Hrothgar on the other hand are able to wear it, but it changes their face shape entirely and makes it more human-like? It’s strange.

We can only hope SE find a nice compromise for both of the limited races, because with each event I do get envious when I see other races wearing something I’m unable to.

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In a previous post I made I mentioned how ESO alters the shape of the headgear depending on what race uses it to make them fit better.
I think FFXIV, especially now with a beast race would benefit from that.
And it would also make it possible to visually alter helmets slightly to make it so the Viera ears wouldn't have to clip through some ornaments or whats-not.

I'm not against the idea of adding unique racial gear either.
Gear tailored around specific races.
Sure, they wouldn't be many and most gear would still show limitations.
But at least tailored racial gear is made to fit.
And perhaps add more to each races cultural styles, or not depending on how they wanna do it.

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Originally Posted by SherlottaEryut

I’ll answer this, and then I’ll leave it at that because majority of your post had little to do with the OP’s question and I feel bad for them.

We do understand the Hrothgar’s issue, I can’t stress that enough and it bothers me when players keep giving off a Viera vs Hrothgar mindset. When Hrothgar’s hairstyles were shown off, me along with many others were incredibly forward and honest with how atrocious these hairstyles were. People who don’t play Hrothgar, and the Viera players both spoke up and demanded higher standards for Hrothgar mains. This was a group effort, that we all accomplished together.. Not just Hrothgars.

A thread on the forums has gone viral and grabbed the attention of both moderators and developers. There has been media reports and articles about the outrage. The unfairness of Hrothgar has been a subject on the forums and amongst the most popular FF streamers… I’m not sure why Viera talking about their issue makes you feel like a second thought, when Hrothgar have been a hot topic for 3 weeks straight, and it doesn’t look like it’s going to go away anytime soon.

We were both brought in as severely restricted races, who can’t wear headgear and we’re unable to wear most in-game hairstyles for 3 years. And I’ll say it again, *we know you have it worse, but it does not mean Viera should feel better about our limitations*

The person we should be turning on is SE. They promised us race exclusive hair in 2019, they decided to flake out on delivering what they promised 3 years ago.

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3 straight weeks doesn't make it 3 years. The reason we've been a hot topic is specifically because we've had nothing at all, didn't even get any recognition, and suddenly the little we did have was poor quality. That's where the sentiment comes from. Meanwhile, the whole community talks about Vieras, people even pushed the dev team hard for male ones, and they speak first and foremost for you guys.

And yeah. I'm just explaining why it feels bitter :o Otherwise, as I said in all those posts: SE is the problem. The rest is just player understanding

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Hey guys!

As the title says, it's about that Viera can't be part of the Garo-glam-gang, because they can't wear the fullhelmets of this sets. Without the helmets the Garo-glam just looks really weird/incomplete and it feels like, Viera just can't take part in that fun stuff.

For me this feels really sad. What do you guys think about this?

Greetings :3

PS: Ofc the same is with Hrothgar

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after 3 years I gave up on headgear support. SE really does not care about that stuff.

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Originally Posted by MsMisato

after 3 years I gave up on headgear support. SE really does not care about that stuff.

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And the limitations would've been worse if it wasn't for employees dedication to work on adding some during their free time.

@SherlottaEryut: I really hope they adjust the pvp helmet. There is no other piece that can complete this set, than the original helmet.

@Midareyukki: For Miqote a lot of helmets just let their ears disappear. And that's totally fine. I was long time a Miqote and I personally never heard a Miqote that complained about that.
I am not sure why they can't do the same thing for Viera. If people don't like it without the ears, they can just 'display off' the helmet.
But I think most people would just be happy to be back in or part of the hat-gang. :3

Maybe a bigger problem than the ears is the fact that the headpieces do something with the hair. They get squished somehow.
So the hair would have to be adjusted for the headpieces. (I don't know the problem for fullhelmets, which let all hair disappear)
But maybe there are more problems, that we don't know.

At least, when we look at the Au'Ra, they have racespecific hairstyles and special headfeatures, too. But when they were released with HW they were adjusted, weren't they?
I don't know why SE decided to release Viera so limited and supported them not much for a long time. But I hope this is going to change now. I really hope it. :3

I also hope that they do something about the problematic for Hroth players, too. But I am not much into that topic, because I never played them.
From my position I would guess, that it maybe would be better to create special things for Hroth, than try to adjust for example the existing hairstyles, because most of them won't look so good at them.
I don't know how Hroth players think about this.

At least we didn't talk much about the topic I asked for.

So I think: It's really not so good, when limitations go so far that players can't take part in event activities the same way.
In the end we just talk here about 'a game'. So we shouldn't be too serious. But to be limitated during an event feels kinda unsatisfying for me.
I see so many people in that fun powerrangerlike look. And 2 races (1 race?) can't just be part of this.

So I hope SE maybe think about this and find some solutions for the future. :3

But! All in all I really like what they did for us with 6.1! :D
So many cool things. :D

I don't really get why it doesn't show on Viera when it hides everything. It just feels like the devs were too lazy to change some metadata or something. It works on everybody else. But not Viera? Seems a bit well.. Stupid if you ask me given Viera use Midlander Bodies and only have a unique head. Just hide the ears. I don't see what Squenix' problem with that sentiment is when they do it all the time with other helmets on other races.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

PS: Ofc the same is with Hrothgar

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Last I checked Hrothgar could use the helmets.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Last I checked Hrothgar could use the helmets.

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Oh, that's good. So..., I think just the Bunnys stand aside. :')

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Originally Posted by Karowolus

I don't really get why it doesn't show on Viera when it hides everything. It just feels like the devs were too lazy to change some metadata or something. It works on everybody else. But not Viera? Seems a bit well.. Stupid if you ask me given Viera use Midlander Bodies and only have a unique head. Just hide the ears. I don't see what Squenix' problem with that sentiment is when they do it all the time with other helmets on other races.

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Hmm..
Only thing I can think of is perhaps SE don't want to hide the ears to keep their trademark racial feature.
Like, All the other races (except humans who doesn't really share much difference inbetween (sorry Elezeen with your ears)) still have their tails showing.
But since Viera doesn't they'd just be "humans" if they hid the ears.

This thought came from how SE don't want to get rid of the job restrictions with armour for glamour.
They want to keep the identity of each job intact.

But I agree with you.
Why not just hide the ears for them?
It's an event from a TV show so if one would really want to embrace the character of its origin nothing should poke out of the helmets.
But I understand that the Garo helmets, with their "horns" and spikes most likely would clip a lot on big fluffy bunny ears.
And SE when they don't want things to clip they really want to avoid it.

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

Oh, that's good. So..., I think just the Bunnys stand aside. :')

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Well, just because Hrothgars can wear, more?, helmets than Viera doesn't necessarily make it a good thing.
Like many helmets completely alter the shape of the head and shrinks the head.
Looks really odd (and sometimes funny).

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...e-Hrothgar.png

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Originally Posted by Evergrey

Well, just because Hrothgars can wear, more?, helmets than Viera doesn't necessarily make it a good thing.
Like many helmets completely alter the shape of the head and shrinks the head.
Looks really odd (and sometimes funny).

https://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/w/imag...e-Hrothgar.png

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In this topic yes. This topic is just about limitaions during event like Garo atm. And Viera can't take part in, because that Garo powerrangerlike look needs the 'full' gear set.
Viera can't wear the fullhelmets and the set without the helmet just looks strange and incomplete.

Most people don't talk about the topic I asked for. That's why I've decided to withdraw from this conversation now. Wish you guys all a good time. :3

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Originally Posted by MsQi

Last I checked Hrothgar could use the helmets.

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They can. It just isn't fitting our faces...

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Originally Posted by Heavenchild

In this topic yes. This topic is just about limitaions during event like Garo atm. And Viera can't take part in, because that Garo powerrangerlike look needs the 'full' gear set.
Viera can't wear the fullhelmets and the set without the helmet just looks strange and incomplete.

Most people don't talk about the topic I asked for. That's why I've decided to withdraw from this conversation now. Wish you guys all a good time. :3

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Now now, don't be like that. I'm sorry for derailing the problem, but at the same time it doesn't mean you're wrong.

Hrothgar do have stuff to complain in this topic as well, from gear that doesn't fit to gear that smushes our face into a Hyur mold. BUT.

Why can't Viera wear helmets at all? This is what I find baffling, because you'd think that Hrothgar would be the ones unable to wear helmets. Yet Viera can't wear them at all... They do know ears fold, right? It's possible for them to be outfitted with helmets, so what gives? They faces won't be smushed either, so really. What's the problem?

...don't say clipping, don't say clipping, it's not an excuse, it's not... it's really not...

...it's clipping, isn't it? That's the excuse?

@Midareyukki: It' s okay. :3

I guess they would have to adjust the hair to fit with most headpieces. And it seems like it's important to them to keep the Viera's ears.
For Miqote a lot of pieces just let the ears disappear. But they also have there tail to identify them. Viera have a humanlike body with no other racespecific parts.
But tbh..., from the side of a player...: Who cares? Really, who cares? Is it so important to be able to identify each race immediatly?
(btw there some rare pieces that hide the ears like Dwarven Cotton Petasos of Casting xd)

I think it would be better to make it like the players feel comfortable with. So..., when the ears clip in a bad way, just hide them. When I was a Miqo, I liked that biker cap a lot.
And Miqote have no ears, when they wear it. That was totally fine. And thb I am no big fan of that Miqote tail, that often clips though glam in a strange way.
If humans would have been more handsome, I would play a human. But that's a complete different topic.

I think, for events like now, they should give all races the same options. The decision not to give the Garo helmets to Viera, feels not like 'being special' with the ears.
It feels kinda like 'not belonging to'. And at least such limitations do not make Viera special. They make Viera a race people leave behind, to go back to the ones without limitations.

Wish you a nice day/night. :3

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I'm a fan of FF12. It's my childhood, it's my first ever FF game, and ARR reminds me of it a lot.

Viera deserve a lot more respect than what they're getting in this game. They were once this mystical race of beings that not only held great wisdom, they also embodied the magic behind Ivalice. Even among races like the Nu Mou or the Garif, it was Viera that really caught people's eye.

They were special. Everything about them: their society, customs, the way the mere sighting of one felt a rare and interesting occasion. They felt magical, serious and evoked respect. Even if the community treated them for the eyecandy more than anything, in-game they had respect. And I think this game tries to replicate that with the Viis, and sure it doesn't translate well because it's an MMO... but it still doesn't feel the same.

Square Enix dropped the ball on Vieras hard. Yes, they fleshed them out a little bit further and made them playable, including revealing the elusive male gender, but then they stopped at that. They didn't really do much more with them. It's not just that it's a copy-paste of 12's lore, no, the only thing we know that's original to them is their naming convention... which even that breaks itself, since Viera can name themselves whatever they wish. There is no lore for Viera. I harp on Bozja for being too gruesome (visible depictions of Hrothgars dying, us unable to save multiple Hrothgar, everything about Dabog), but at least Hrothgar got something, and a lot of people consider their trials and preserverence to show their character.

Apart from Fran, the only three other Viera I can remember are the girl in the Gunbreaker series that I LOATHE (she dismisses Radovan for having trauma over being tortured, seeing his country fall and tells him to get over it), a Gyaru assistant to Cid for comic relief... Not even the Viera in the Sage quests really brings much to mind! Only Erenville was done right, but he doesn't interact with Viera lore or even show any known traits, such as sensitivity to aether, heightened senses...

I don't really count the Viis because they're not of the Source. But even then, only Lyna is well written, the other three who are just kinda there. We know of a Warrior of Light having been a Viera, but there isn't much to her other than "she did stuff". We have more to Tenzen, Desch and Ramza than her, and she does seem to be relatively well documented and preserved amidst the chaos that is the First.

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Representation of Viera seems super disjointed. And I get it. "They're rare in the outside world". But that doesn't mean they cannot be used. So too are Hrothgar rare, yet they show up behind Thancred as members of the Bozjan and Dalmascan resistance. So that doesn't hold up. Especially not for the Warrior of Light, incarnation of Azem, whose job is to uncover these hidden and rare people and form bonds.

And I know I just harped on how they don't have the wonder of being rare, yet here I am asking them to show up more often... but we visit Eruyt Village in FF12. Viera don't lose any mystery points for it. If anything, it makes them look far more robust in their lore and made me feel like all that mysticism was validated.

Seeing how they're treated as well, how characters are thrown in without substance to back up their appearance and lore, it steals away from how special they're meant to be. More special even than the Hrothgar; we're meant to look leonine and bestial and we do a fairly good job at that. But Viera are meant to wow and look mystical. Yet that's lost. We've had more effort put into making the Au Ra feel special in their lore and show so much detail of both the Xaela and the Raen, with a lot more open for imagination, than there has for Viera.

So it really doesn't surprise me, even if it saddens me, to know that Viera don't feel special because of a lack of helmets. Not just hairstyles. It bothers me because I'm already seeing them lose so much that would make them feel more respected and loved, I don't want the players to feel like they're just playing with a Trial version of FF12.

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Originally Posted by Final-Fantasy

They should never have added new races to begin with.

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If you're gonna say that, say it to the male version of your race as well and femroes. As well as Au Ra. You don't get to decide who gets in or not in this game, and thankfully the devs thought it was a good idea. The botching of these two races is in no way a testament to whether they were "a mistake" or not. They're races, like any other.

So.. I made a decision. After I got to know, that the new Streetwear will also get no adjust, I go back to Miqo. Maybe I switch back to Viera when they get more support, or I feel like it. :3

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You may laugh at me now. I wasted 14 euros. xD
Sigh, I can't go back. :')