...might I offer alternatives?
* No Man's Sky
* Black Desert Online
* Elder Scrolls Online
* Animal Crossing: New Horizons
* Phantasy Star Online 2
* Fallout 76
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04-20-2022, 02:52 AMKayRadleyIf you really hate the housing system in this game so much...
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04-20-2022, 02:56 AMDarthgummibear
Yes, tell everyone to go play something else because of one aspect being grossly inadequate. That has worked out so well for other companies in the past.
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04-20-2022, 02:57 AMPadudu
PSO2? Lmao yeah if you want even worse housing go there and get your instanced housing I guess.
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04-20-2022, 02:58 AMKayRadleyThen cool your jets and go touch some grass.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
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04-20-2022, 02:59 AMSilverSp
oh yeah why solve the issue when you can "play a different game" excuse in order to NOT solve the problem and avoid it tactic.
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04-20-2022, 03:01 AMOcicatthedruidTelling people to go play another game has historically worked out well for other games, ie WoW as the perfect example. The problem isn't housing per say (although how adding things to housings, snapping, etc definitely have issues), it's the over all LACK of housing. The only part of the housing system that is really bad is the fact most people can't get one. And that really needs to be addressed, either by adding a ton of wards which would require a ton of servers to meet demand (so not really viable) or add in instance housing for those of us who couldn't give a moogle's pom about the "neighborhood" feel (which is a joke itself since most neighborhoods feel deserted haha).Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 03:01 AMHurlstone
You can still enjoy the game despite systems that you find flawed or unworthy. I think most players have issues they really want to be better or changed, be it housing, job balancing ect. I will say though that ESO perhaps has the best housing system in a MMO I have seen.
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04-20-2022, 03:03 AMRitsukoSonodaGiven the amount of people claiming they are going to cancel their sub because they don't have a house, I'd say it's more calling their bluff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
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04-20-2022, 03:05 AMThemarvinNone of these is any good for it.. go play star wars galaxies, you get full freedom... and that is saying quite alot... it is the only MMO out there, that will allow you full control.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 03:06 AMMidareyukki
PSO2's housing is pretty cool indeed. Want to know what else is cool? FFXIV's housing, for all its flaws.
Come now. Just because something fails and we say it's failing, suddenly we should leave and leave the stuff we enjoy to rot?
This is gonna sound silly. But when you have a child of your own and they get an F on their exam because they spent all their free time playing games, will you go out searching for another child? "New kid please, this one failed me and made me want to scold them for not studying." -
04-20-2022, 03:06 AMDoc_Seraph
Kupo, if you really want some tough housing go outside <3 kupo jk lol :cool:
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04-20-2022, 03:07 AMHisShadowXOh man this whole situation is getting under the hardcore players skin. Perhaps coloring books and a safe space is in order. :) I think I have an idea of a safe space how about players are forced to move to their regions data centers and the forums should be changed to region only. There your safe space :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 03:10 AMOcicatthedruidHaving never had kids this seems like the most reasonable way to get a working child lol. Frye and Laurie did a sketch about sex ed in the school where Laurie basically ended up asking for a new kid because his current one was tainted now haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Midareyukki
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04-20-2022, 03:16 AMRitsukoSonodaOne of the things I hear happens in the US is the parents blame the school and teacher for their child's bad grades and storm into the school to scream and yell at the school staff rather than hold their child accountable for their behavior.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ocicatthedruid
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04-20-2022, 03:18 AMMsQi
Sure one can always go play another game. For every feature that falls short just play a different game, and pretend it's some really mixed up mmo.
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04-20-2022, 03:21 AMMsMisatoPeople have a right to hate since they pay and this aspect of the game is pretty busted imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 03:36 AMAlaray
Doesn't really solve the core issue of people in FFXIV wishing to participate in a highly publicized system and then providing feedback that it ought to be easier to participate in.
Kinda like if a Raid only allowed so many entrants, the solution isn't "play another game with a raiding system you like less, with aesthetics and other design philosophy that doesn't jive with you" it'd be to let the raid have as many entrants as people interested. -
04-20-2022, 03:39 AMHisShadowXAnd thats why it would be great if someone from the EU/AU like yourself instead of being on NA servers like Ultros and dealing with people in the US they should change the system so you would be forced to play on your own regions servers then you won't have to deal with us. Even though its optional right now to play on your own data center and for some reason you choose to play with people you hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda
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04-20-2022, 03:53 AMmoxphloxAnd that's how I know you just want to rile people up.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 03:53 AMKhalithar
I'd rather they fix the system they have. Also no people shouldn't play other games. They should keep making noise and refuse to drop the subject until a fix is actually made.
The people telling them to stop complaining about wanting SE to fix a broken system are part of the problem. You are arguing against your own interests which is absolutely senseless.
To clarify, people telling them to fix the housing system are asking for something that would benefit the entire player base. You should be right alongside them demanding changes. -
04-20-2022, 04:24 AMHaruka_RI would like to add DC Universe Online to this list.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 04:30 AMInsertusernamehere
MMORPGS bad at it :)
Try Valheim or Fallout 4 or 7 Days to Die if you are okay as single player those games offer so much more creativity than any available MMORPG. -
04-20-2022, 04:32 AMJkap_Goat
Second Life has a good housing system and decorations
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04-20-2022, 04:33 AMCorvus_VOr they could fix it at some perceived expense of yours and every other volunteer schizo accountant, then you can all quit together lolQuote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 04:34 AMJkap_GoatI love 7 days but it's so laggy on my PCQuote:
Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere
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04-20-2022, 04:35 AMIllmaeranI've gone outside a ton lately but can't find the damn placard!Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph
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04-20-2022, 05:14 AMAngeliouxRein
This could be bait.. but oh well lol. At least they might read the comments here.
MMORPGs that are older than this game, at the bare minimum, was able to meet the demands of quantity for housing. Mobile MMORPGs are able to meet the demands of quantity for housing. Some of those mobile games even give each player multiple houses with several islands attached to each house to decorate. I don’t see how a multi billion dollar company that makes millions can’t figure how to meet the demands of housing in AT LEAST quantity. It boggles the mind. -
04-20-2022, 05:26 AMHyoMinParkPlease stop with this argument. This is the most hand-wavey argument you could make about anything in this game. But about housing especially. It’s basically excusing—if not defending—a poor and incredibly inadequate system that has been in place for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
I have no interest in any of these other games. I do have an interest in FFXIV. And this crappy housing system needs to go. It’s bleeding out far too fast for even the largest of bandaids to stop it now. -
04-20-2022, 05:42 AMBatbratI remember when people in the Tera Online forum used to do this, 'calling peoples bluff's. It was "Go on then, quit!! As if you ever really will, aahahahghahg!!!" until the majority actually did quit and the few remaining had to pay 3 and 4 times the price for the things they used to, to make up for all the lost bodies. Exact same thing happened in the Blade and Soul forum too. It's all 'You wont realllllly leave, who are you kidding!!' until you look around and only see 2 or 3 other players max in-game and no complaints in the forum anymore. No complaints, because everyone who used to try to voice what was wrong straight up gave up and left. Careful what one baits! You'd hate for it to actually happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda
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04-20-2022, 05:45 AMRitsukoSonoda1. I am not from EU/AUQuote:
Originally Posted by HisShadowX
2. I have lived a large portion of my life outside the US. Therefore I have seen other cultures from multiple regions of the world. I actually grew up in Japan.
3. No where did I imply hatred for the US. I simply mentioned a behavior that appears to occur within that culture. The only thing you succeeded in with that post is demonstrating a desire to contribute to a negative image of the US population. -
04-20-2022, 05:51 AMAlarayKind of, to expand on this thought a little from what the Director of Lost Ark said once in an interview (translated from Korean, and saw a clip of it from someone else's content who was going over it):Quote:
Originally Posted by Batbrat
He, at least from the bit taken, explained that figuring out what was wrong with the game he designed and developed became an incredibly difficult task. At first, like a lot of people, he thought he had it all in the bag and knew exactly what to do and what players would enjoy; when proven wrong based upon the CCU of the title and comparing to other successful titles and their CCU (and playerbase in general) he felt at a loss for what to improve on "What's wrong with my vision? Where's the problems, the pain points?" and tried to look to the remainder of his community for some sort of critical feedback to start formulating a plan to fix things. However, at this stage, the only players who remained were people who liked the game as it was (despite it being incredibly unpopular and likely staring shutdown in the face) and he described frustration in that as he, himself, didn't have the answers (nor his team) and no one who played his title were able to explain what lead so many to leave in the first place as, to them, the game was fine as it was.
And he did explain that he felt jealous of the larger communities in more popular titles due to being able to have access to player feedback on what felt good, what felt bad and why.
Which is just to say -- if everyone who has a complaint, a critique, with FFXIV upped and quit and only left behind the people who were 150% satisfied, then the game itself would stagnate and struggle to improve and if the playerbase that remained is too small... then it'd lead to eventual shutdown. Imagine if 1.0 stayed just because there were people who enjoyed it, and 2.0 never happened -- the game wouldn't exist anymore, at all.
So there is, at least, truth in that player feedback and critique is valuable even from a head developer's perspective (to the point of frustration when he couldn't get that) and using the hand-wavey phrases (like the OP) would only serve to, really, hurt the game.
(Want to iterate this is just expanding on what you said, since your's is based on the players while this bit from an actual Director was a bit interesting to hear for the company's perspective as well). -
04-20-2022, 05:52 AMMiaShino
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04-20-2022, 06:11 AMijuakos_xqwzts
Star Wars Galaxies (before the combat upgrade; it may not have changed, but I haven't played since then)
Wildstar
Pretty darned good housing systems. It's a shame the rest of both games couldn't keep players around.
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04-20-2022, 06:18 AMMidareyukkiPlease check your ethnocentrism at the door, you're making a fool of yourself in every thread. Besides, it's not like Americans stick to their own server either, nor is there any law prohibiting people from going to other datacenters. Every post you do is about telling EU and AU people to stay in their DC's. Your horrible bias is showing.Quote:
Originally Posted by HisShadowX
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04-20-2022, 06:21 AMMiaShinoUncertain if anyone mentioned it yet but Swtor has some darn good instanced housing too called Strongholds.Quote:
Originally Posted by ijuakos_xqwzts
Those things are fricken huge! Would say at the least four times the size of average large. Can also own multiple Strongholds per account too. There is key system allowing you to set up invite only entrance to your housing and are able to eject unwanted persons who you have invited.
Only requirement is that you arrive on fleet and purchase the Stronghold with in game currency, then it is yours. Downside is that you must pay to unlock expansions. -
04-20-2022, 07:30 AMDarthgummibearWay to deliberately miss the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 07:33 AMNanaWilohDragon quest builders 1 and 2 are also awesome if you got a lot of creativity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Insertusernamehere
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04-20-2022, 08:22 AMSturmChurroExactly why so many glaring issues this game has aren't being fixed. I just find it hilarious, because just the other day I was talking about how many players in this community just brush aside criticism or issues with the game, and tell others to "go play something else".Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverSp
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04-20-2022, 09:14 AMEscenceOr how about Yoshi P actually fixes the housing system instead of band aid fixesQuote:
Originally Posted by KayRadley
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04-20-2022, 10:19 AMJojoya
You forgot to put RIFT on the list. It's still out there and Dimensions (their housing system) are a lot of fun even if the rest of the game is mediocre (not bad, just not good).
Yet there are a lot of players threatening to quit solely because of housing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darthgummibear
If housing is that important to them and they really don't care about the rest of the game, then trying one of the others would appear to be good advice for those specific players.
Sometimes go play something else is the right decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by SturmChurro
That's why I'm here now instead of still stuck in WoW hell. Warlords of Draenor was a mess so I started playing other games, this being one of them. It took me two expansions to accept that I just did not enjoy Wow anymore while I was having a lot of fun with FFXIV so I dropped WoW and made this my main game. It ended up a good choice for me.
Not every game is going to appeal to everyone. If someone can't do anything but criticize the game they're playing, they really need to think about why they're playing it in the first place and whether they'd be better off elsewhere.
I can agree with this general sentiment, but there's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Escence
What do you consider a fix? Would all players agree it's a fix or would their be some who felt it made housing worse?
Looking at the debate of ward versus instanced housing that recurs regularly over in the Housing subforum, players do not agree on what would fix the system.
There's also the possibility a fix they agree on would be not be financially feasible. People tend to forget there's a lot more to business expense then loading up a program on a computer and inputting a few lines of code.