Ability to invite someone while engaged

Well, I find this very annoying, not just when people don't disengage so you can invite but if your linkshell claimed an NM and there are latecomers coming in to help, you really can't invite em until you wipe. This will promote some socialization also by helping people who are struggling on something to join them on the fly.

Hmmmm

/agreed

I'm not sure if SE gave us a tangible reason as to why you are unable to do this. But there are a lot of things you can't do while in battle mode.

Really, I dont mind that as much as not being able to LEAVE party while the party is engaged. There shouldn't be a reason for that

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Originally Posted by Dyne

but if your linkshell claimed an NM and there are latecomers coming in to help, you really can't invite em until you wipe.

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I think that's the main reason for this. Because of how claim work, you can't just have one guy claim (I heard they used bot to claim in FFXI?) the NM and then bring in the whole partyfrom wherever they are afterward . That's also why NM will enrage in 30 min or de-spawn if you engage and then disengage after an unsuccessful fight. The main point is that you don't steal and/or abuse NM fight. I think once they make instanced dungeon and tweak how claim work, this will get addressed.

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Really, I dont mind that as much as not being able to LEAVE party while the party is engaged. There shouldn't be a reason for that

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use:
/pcmd leave

b4 the mana was an issue where people had to worry way more bout there mana, this probably prevented people from force logging out to get out of party mana and then just rejoin, u can't even heal outside of party on nm's. but again this was b4, now u can just unsheath and get mana right back.

though u'r thoughs on how bots can claim or people can just hold mobs till people come is a very good thought, i'd rather see no invites while in battle in this case. it makes it so ls's are there or they not, no inbetween. but it is very anoying for regular stuff like grinding mobs and stuff, maybe stuff u can't out of party heal = no invites but simple stuff like leves or grinding we can.

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Originally Posted by MariyaShidou

I think that's the main reason for this. Because of how claim work, you can't just have one guy claim (I heard they used bot to claim in FFXI?) the NM and then bring in the whole partyfrom wherever they are afterward . That's also why NM will enrage in 30 min or de-spawn if you engage and then disengage after an unsuccessful fight. The main point is that you don't steal and/or abuse NM fight. I think once they make instanced dungeon and tweak how claim work, this will get addressed.

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And what about DC?

I can remember an Uraeus fight when ALL the DD in party DCed, there were only the tanker and healers left >.> this is something that should be addressed.

I know why they did it. To prevent holding on NMs and other mobs.

This is what my linkshell did 1 day in FFXI.

Had a 8 person team fighting Nidhogg.
Had a holding group claim King behemoth
Had 4 people holding Tiamat with a mule used to pull adds.
And had 2 people holding Sandworm..

So basically my linshell was holding/fighting 4 hnms at once.

In FFXIV the claiming system prevents that. Basically I see it as a step to prevent large endgame shell from monopolizing the NMS and such.

I agree with OP it's irritating and also not being able to log out while someone in pt is fighting is stupid too.

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b4 the mana was an issue where people had to worry way more bout there mana, this probably prevented people from force logging out to get out of party mana and then just rejoin,

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So allowing party invite during fight can help this game to have more strategy in battle. rotate members is one good strategy which involve both team work, and PvE feeling.
This is good thing!

I don't see nothing wrong with holding a mob, and not everybody uses bots to claim. It takes some skills to actually hold an HNM with a party of 6. Well, ffxi is easy now, but back then. There are always latecomers, like people who just came home from work that you could really use to help you defeat this mob if they can make it to the location in time before it rages. That sense of urgency brings a lot of thrill and fun to the game. Getting to the place in time to help out your struggling linkshell is pretty heroic. For haters crying over a linkshell holding a mob, you'll get your turn eventually.

If anything, atleast let people that disconnect rejoin group automatically when they come back in the game.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

I don't see nothing wrong with holding a mob, and not everybody uses bots to claim. It takes some skills to actually hold an HNM with a party of 6. Well, ffxi is easy now, but back then. There are always latecomers, like people who just came home from work that you could really use to help you defeat this mob if they can make it to the location in time before it rages. That sense of urgency brings a lot of thrill and fun to the game. Getting to the place in time to help out your struggling linkshell is pretty heroic. For haters crying over a linkshell holding a mob, you'll get your turn eventually.

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Wrong. Cuz that turn may or may not come for anyone up to 6 months to a year specially on Kings. The system doesn't need to be changed. Dont wanna see anymore big player zerg shells getting all the fun and kills. I had to suffer a year of that until I got sick of it and transferred once the service came about. And yes the zerg ls would have multiple hnms camped, with 1-2 groups each sometimes, and at least ten of them using a bot.

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Wrong. Cuz that turn may or may not come for anyone up to 6 months to a year specially on Kings. The system doesn't need to be changed. Dont wanna see anymore big player zerg shells getting all the fun and kills. I had to suffer a year of that until I got sick of it and transferred once the service came about. And yes the zerg ls would have multiple hnms camped, with 1-2 groups each sometimes, and at least ten of them using a bot.

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That was because of SE's retarded HNM claiming and respawn system, I wouldn't so much blame it on the community since that was a product of FFXI's design. Leaving a holding party out there for mobs like Khimaira and Tiamat was pretty much essential since they took anywhere from 3-5 days to respawn, and I wouldn't expect anyone in their right mind to expect a whole 18 man alliance to wait that amount of time. Holding parties were a necessity. Botting is a different story, but that is going to happen regardless.

And I think being able to invite people mid-fight is really needed most importantly because people do disconnect, it happens. When you're low-manning NMs one person disconnecting can mean the entire fight.

Plus with such shorter rage timers and respawn times is holding NMs really an issue?

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Originally Posted by JayvirDeforte

Really, I dont mind that as much as not being able to LEAVE party while the party is engaged. There shouldn't be a reason for that

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This is especially ridiculous when the party member is clear across the world. I was getting weird cons on mobs in a leve, and realized my hubby was still in the party on his MRD even though he was standing around in Limsa city. He tried to leave the pt, and couldn't until I had defeated all the red named critters.

I wonder if its somehow connected to the way cons are calculated by party and not on individual vs mob. Maybe this should be changed so that the invites/disbands during battle can be addressed.