I'm sorry, but is Warrior completely broken in Crystal Conflict right now?

Because every time my group is forced to face a Warrior + some DPS that has a one shot skill it might as well be the end of the match because that is literally how it almost goes.

Happens every damn time its frustrating.

I know I've read Summoner is really causing a lot of problems, but least there is a chance to end them, but facing a Warrior is almost impossible.

There must be some way to beat these guys, I refuse to believe they're invincible, and I've hated warriors before this patch and now I really despise them in PVP.

I'm sorry I just needed to vent.

Isn't WAR broken everywhere? xD

I mostly hate Warriors because of their stun, where they don't even have to be near you. Haven't look at the Warrior skill set yet, so I don't know what the move is called, but it basically puts you in a stun before they even get the chance to hit you.

I was running towards a warrior, still a good distance away, and suddenly I was stopped in my tracks, wondering what it was, only to see the warrior hurling towards me like a frikking comet.

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Originally Posted by hagare

Isn't WAR broken everywhere? xD

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They always seem broken and not broken and then broken again.

WAR's kit is honestly insanely overloaded in terms of...basically everything.

It has spammable AoE stuns, high self-sustain, high burst damage, an oppressive LB (That is not negated by simply spamming CC on them until an associated buff expires), a vulnerability debuff, etc.

The only thing it's actually lacking compared to the other tanks is a way to protect/sustain party members directly, but it's not really needed with how much CC it provides comparatively.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

They always seem broken and not broken and then broken again.

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schroedinger's brokenness

I changed from GNB to WAR for PvP just because of how over the top it is.

I'm just thinking of settling for Silver Rank, and stop worrying about it now.

If I get gold I get gold, but this is too stressful to care about those rewards, I think this is the best outlook at this point.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Because every time my group is forced to face a Warrior + some DPS that has a one shot skill it might as well be the end of the match because that is literally how it almost goes.

Happens every damn time its frustrating.

I know I've read Summoner is really causing a lot of problems, but least there is a chance to end them, but facing a Warrior is almost impossible.

There must be some way to beat these guys, I refuse to believe they're invincible, and I've hated warriors before this patch and now I really despise them in PVP.

I'm sorry I just needed to vent.

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Their cc feels a bit annoying, but in terms of damage they seem a bit of a wet noodle. I pvp as mch and last night I had a solo warrior trying to 1v1 me at the back of the arena, and knowing i couldnt take a tank by myself i just let him wail on me while i focussed their casters/healers. Felt like he was barely doing anything to me. Probably used recuperate twice, if that. Maybe I had a bad player though.

It's great. I love it. Too strong? Maybe, but all the other tanks also feel really weak (except maybe PLD) and I want those to be brought up before (or at the same time) that WAR is brought down.

Warrior's stun is on a 15s cooldown (and aoe on top of that) while purify is on a 30s cooldown. Something in that equation is heavily in favor of warrior.

I've swapped to warrior because i was sick of getting stunned to death. It feels kinda too strong in my admittedly small experience. It's not the only broken job in CC but I think it's one of them.

No? It has a good kit and hits like a wet noodle, the little burst you get is with LB which you only use 1-2 times per match. It's supposed to feel oppressive, it's a tank.

The only thing busted right now is SAM overall and WHM's LB charging too fast.

WAR is pretty obnoxiously powerful, but I don't feel like it's some kind of guaranteed win button, especially due to the fact that its damage feels lacking. As an example, a friend from my FC and I ended up in the same casual match on opposite sides -- him on WAR, me on GNB -- and we actually got into the FC voice together and ended up having a pretty epic, sustained 1v1 duel as we both stubbornly locked the crystal in place (and the rest of our respective teams were off god alone knows where). And for all that I was like "HOW ARE YOU STUNNING ME AGAIN?" on voice, he was also going "HOW ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?" (Answer: I junctioned your healer earlier and am trying my best to self-heal, plus a very strategic and/or desperate use of guard at one point.)

Of course, eventually our teams noticed that, oh, hey, there's this big crystal thing, I wonder what that's about, wandered over, and he got obliterated once I had backup... only for me to be nuked about 10 seconds later when his team showed up as well.

And lest you think it's solely a matter of personal skill, he's ranked platinum and I can't get out of bronze. (Partly because I keep getting ranked match teams who scatter to the four winds to chase stragglers on the other team, leaving the crystal unattended. But also partly because I'm just not great at PvP.)

If WAR's backed up by a competent DPS, their stun plus the a DPS LB is absolutely devastating, yes. But there are certainly other combinations that can be equally deadly, especially if folks are coordinating their LB use using the Quick Chat buttons.

WAR'S IR can be cc'd a bit by WHM. Also in gold plus WAR are not some unstoppable juggernaut. Strong, yes but not overly so. The only tank with issues is GNB, and that's being underpowered.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Their cc feels a bit annoying, but in terms of damage they seem a bit of a wet noodle. I pvp as mch and last night I had a solo warrior trying to 1v1 me at the back of the arena, and knowing i couldnt take a tank by myself i just let him wail on me while i focussed their casters/healers. Felt like he was barely doing anything to me. Probably used recuperate twice, if that. Maybe I had a bad player though.

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People are overexaggerating how strong warrior is because they've been killed when one is around and they think the warrior did it.

When in fact it was simply they died in the stun to probably the other dps around them. Warriors do 8k every 15s with Primal Rend, 8k every 20s with cyclone that's barely anything.

It's more the stunlocks we need to talk about than warrior being broken.

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Originally Posted by AziraSyuren

It's great. I love it. Too strong? Maybe, but all the other tanks also feel really weak (except maybe PLD) and I want those to be brought up before (or at the same time) that WAR is brought down.

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Maybe WAR doesn't need to be brought down, but at least tweaked. Why is their stun a move that locks me me in place for a free hit? Actually hit me, then apply a stun on impact.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

People are overexaggerating how strong warrior is because they've been killed when one is around and they think the warrior did it.

When in fact it was simply they died in the stun to probably the other dps around them. Warriors do 8k every 15s with Primal Rend, 8k every 20s with cyclone that's barely anything.

It's more the stunlocks we need to talk about than warrior being broken.

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Wish they would give Purify a 4 second CC immunity or something like that. It's so annoying getting a Warrior, Monk, Bard and WHM in the same team, you just can't play.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

People are overexaggerating how strong warrior is because they've been killed when one is around and they think the warrior did it.

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I mean, I think most of this thread is not about WAR's damage, but about the fact that WAR's got an unusually-high number of crowd-control options with what seems like a fairly short cooldown on some. The fact that their damage is akin to smacking someone with a pool noodle has been noted by many people in their posts in this thread.

Where WAR becomes absolutely deadly is the fact that their crowd-control allows them to lock someone down repeatedly, in a manner that the target cannot effectively counter on their own. Meaning if you have a WAR along with almost any DPS that's got some sort of burst, that combination can potentially let you lock down and instantly nearly-obliterate an opposing team.

You died and a WAR was around? The WAR nearby might not have done the damage -- in fact, WAR seems to be fairly lacking in damage -- but the WAR probably is the one that stunned you -- possibly repeatedly -- and let someone else merrily obliterate you.

I think what most folks are saying feels potentially overpowered in WAR's kit is the fact that they have the PvP equivalent of an all-you-can-eat buffet table when it comes to crowd control. (Bolding in the quotes is mine, for emphasis.)

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Because every time my group is forced to face a Warrior + some DPS that has a one shot skill it might as well be the end of the match

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Originally Posted by Barachim

I mostly hate Warriors because of their stun, where they don't even have to be near you. Haven't look at the Warrior skill set yet, so I don't know what the move is called, but it basically puts you in a stun before they even get the chance to hit you.

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Originally Posted by Lustre

Their cc feels a bit annoying, but in terms of damage they seem a bit of a wet noodle.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

Warrior's stun is on a 15s cooldown (and aoe on top of that) while purify is on a 30s cooldown. Something in that equation is heavily in favor of warrior.

I've swapped to warrior because i was sick of getting stunned to death. It feels kinda too strong in my admittedly small experience. It's not the only broken job in CC but I think it's one of them.

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I don't think anyone disagrees that WAR's own damage is low. Witness that in a 1v1 duel, they can have trouble taking down an opponent; even the stunlock isn't enough because their damage output isn't sufficient to take down a semi-prepared enemy (even a GNB with Aurora or Nebula junctioned, for instance) before the stun wears off and the enemy can recuperate and start wailing on the WAR again.

But WAR + basically anything else with a DPS burst is a recipe for any opponent in the area to have a very bad day -- or all opponents in the area to have a bad day -- due to the fact that they can easily and repeatedly stunlock opponents with an AoE, and can do so more often than said opponents can be purified. And if you have a job where you can pair it with one other player on almost any DPS job and basically wipe the entire other party in a manner that is extremely easy to execute (have a DPS follow a WAR, the WAR stuns the group on the crystal, the DPS nukes the stunned group with an LB) but comparatively difficult to effectively counter... it may not be absolutely broken, but it's at least something of a balance issue.

"Broken" isn't always about just damage output.

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Originally Posted by Barachim

I mostly hate Warriors because of their stun, where they don't even have to be near you. Haven't look at the Warrior skill set yet, so I don't know what the move is called, but it basically puts you in a stun before they even get the chance to hit you.

I was running towards a warrior, still a good distance away, and suddenly I was stopped in my tracks, wondering what it was, only to see the warrior hurling towards me like a frikking comet.

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Ya primal rend has too much on a single button. Its a gap closer, its does damage and its an aoe stun.

Primal scream+Primal rend can easily lock down a team to lets a dps dump or WHM lb on them. However, this can be played around.

I wouldn't call it too strong, its damage is kinda bad and mostly only serves to be annoying. Also if 3 people focus warrior at once it dies very quickly.

Like most things, PvP will face some rebalance down the road.
I doubt anyone would think otherwise.

PVP WAR has downsides. It's not personally great at damage unless LB is up, and only then at risk to itself since it has to go in. It is fantastic at setting up kills and disrupting what you're trying to do. Getting got by team combinations is a real thing in 6.1 PVP, as opposed to the simple "I heal you, you go DRG / MNK / NIN" combination of the previous build.

I personally dislike playing OP "characters" in PVP games.

Once you start playing the OP class, people will expect you to play it and playing something over and over again is not fun. It is initially giving you a good feeling to win. Because we all want to win... but when half the community will just fret at your achievement, while the other will expect you to do this a 100 more times, is as bit of an non welcomed pressure from a video game...

I hope they balance things out. Also, to allow different classes to be more playable.

I think they did something really great with this mode, I just really hope they will put constant effort into it, to maintain this. Because this mode clearly has potential.

If any thing, I would look at the healers, specially WHM, and don't get me started with SMN, bullshit levels.

I guess this is state of healers in pvp is to compensate for their pve state. LMAO

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Originally Posted by hagare

Isn't WAR broken everywhere? xD

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Yep, pretty much! Always has been. I have to wonder at this point if the CEO of SE plays the game and that is his main job. Or if it's one of their more generous investors.

Yoshi P. has a hard-on for Warriors because we stun everything we see! He plays His games, we play ours! To show our appreciation for so much power, we keep the message board packed with fresh salt! -Gny. Sgt. Gorge

True story.

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Originally Posted by hagare

Isn't WAR broken everywhere? xD

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Yes. It's amazing. :)

WAR is definately top tier, only topped by WHM in sheer power and utility.

Any good team wants both of them in their composition and if you are lacking either you are at disadvantage.

At least with DPS you have a bit of variety to pick. SAM, DRG, NIN, RDM are absolute powerhouses when played well and MCH, SMN and BRD aren't lagging that much behind either.

Currently the weakest Job is GNB followed by DNC and soon after RPR and BLM.

Everything else varies from decent to pretty good.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Because every time my group is forced to face a Warrior + some DPS that has a one shot skill it might as well be the end of the match because that is literally how it almost goes.

Happens every damn time its frustrating.

I know I've read Summoner is really causing a lot of problems, but least there is a chance to end them, but facing a Warrior is almost impossible.

There must be some way to beat these guys, I refuse to believe they're invincible, and I've hated warriors before this patch and now I really despise them in PVP.

I'm sorry I just needed to vent.

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Warrior is a good tank. I don't think it's broken simply because basically all tanks are not good enough if you compare to some DPS's or White Mage.
Actually the situation of some DPS's makes me think that this new pvp was not tested before the release

They are strong, yes, as are Samurai and White Mages. They'll probably do some balance passes as patches roll out.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

They'll probably do some balance passes as patches roll out.

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For everyone but Warrior. Because Warrior. That's how it always goes.

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Originally Posted by Ryaz

They'll probably do some balance passes as patches roll out.

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Oh yeah they'll balance the warriors alright.

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It deals tiny damage outside of LB. If someone kills you outside of WAR LB it must be the dps. WAR best kit is the aoe stun that can change the tide of battle if it hits 4 or 5 enemies at once while the team burst down the healer. And even that deals tickle damage. Outside of that no its not any more special than the other tanks.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

It deals tiny damage outside of LB. If someone kills you outside of WAR LB it must be the dps. WAR best kit is the aoe stun that can change the tide of battle if it hits 4 or 5 enemies at once while the team burst down the healer. And even that deals tickle damage. Outside of that no its not any more special than the other tanks.

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That stun is actually way more broken than you'd think since it's basically spammable and forces an entire "use your cleanse or do nothing for 2 seconds while the enemy team gets to catch their breath and also hit you and force you to heal" kind of situation, and it can also sometimes lead to a CC deathball if you don't break the stun

The AoE stun and the pull won't do anything if your team sucks, but in close games the constant group CC will force out more heals from the enemy team and also potentially block kills if your team decides to focus someone just to get group stunned, then everyone is down a bunch of cooldowns and they get to live

Heck, if you get a tank that isn't a warrior you're basically down a slot because the other tanks don't do anything that useful except for *maybe* Dark Knight

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

Because every time my group is forced to face a Warrior + some DPS that has a one shot skill it might as well be the end of the match because that is literally how it almost goes.

Happens every damn time its frustrating.

I know I've read Summoner is really causing a lot of problems, but least there is a chance to end them, but facing a Warrior is almost impossible.

There must be some way to beat these guys, I refuse to believe they're invincible, and I've hated warriors before this patch and now I really despise them in PVP.

I'm sorry I just needed to vent.

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So says a melee dps who got the most broken jobs in PvP

The only way I can reach Diamond is to become a WAR and pray that enemy team don't have a WAR, ezpz Diamond :)

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

The only way I can reach Diamond is to become a WAR and pray that enemy team don't have a WAR, ezpz Diamond :)

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Actually it's more like pray your team makes the best of your kit because if you have a team looking for sightseeings on the battlefield or seem to wait for a hunt train while you're solo'ing the enemy team for a minute straight on the aetherite chances are you lose. Because apparently they think it's a smart move to go in one by one to get killed. That being said WAR can't do jack on it's own outside of LB without a team to follow through, with a good team on the other hand you completely wreck.

I mean most classes are considered OP because everybody cuddles.

In platinum, to this day, people dont see drg lb. Doesnt make drg op.

Cuddling together means free stun and free heal for the warrior. People dont focus down tanks/healers.
Thats how they become an annoying problem.

People also fight in sage lb and against pld lb (pld directly counters war i think)

Anyways, if you dont play cuddle fest and bully tanks, they cant do much. Even war.
If they yeet into somebody, get them.

People let others get away a bit too easily sometimes. You have to try to get the low hp people before they pot and come back.

You really have to listen to markers. If nobody does, mark themyourself. This pvp isnt a 1o1, go bully single people as a team.

The only class i would consider a bit op is sam… if people knew how to play it.
And whms lb charges a bit too quickly.
War just thrives off of clusters of people and thats what everybody does.

So i disagree, the problem is with everybody being stacked for free stuns and heals, not everybody should be on the crystal.
If they pull you in, immediately guard if you can. I mean if you get pulled into the enemy team, not just randomly somewhere.

This may sound weird, but this is literally the same mode as tower control in splatoon. And there, preferably, only one person rides the tower while the team goes out to bully.

Healers are very good tower riders lol.

Also also, some classes rather need buffs instead of others nerfs. Bring the bottom up first and then see how it goes.

It seems to me like what they've done is lay the foundation work for PvP moving forward, so I expect they will balance things out more.
I really want more skills too.