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Image says it all, why are personal houses relegated to second class when all of these weren't even bid on? Am I going to have to make my own FC with dummy members just to get a house?
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04-17-2022, 02:35 PMBattler-UshiromiyaEmpty FC Wards
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04-17-2022, 02:37 PMEaMett
Going to go out on a limb and say that sanctuary islands are going to cover personal housing needs. So they made wards mostly FC locked.
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04-17-2022, 02:47 PMBig_Bap
I'll give you an answer that is specifically tailored to Malboro so the point might get across more easily.
Malboro - November 2021
Free Company houses: 1,709
Personal houses: 4,051
Characters that had access to Free Company housing: 46,288
The theoretical maximum amount of characters that had access to personal housing: 16,204
While the number of characters that had access to Free Company housing cannot be disputed due to being taken directly from The Lodestone, the number of characters who had access to personal housing through ownership and tenancy is much lower than what's written above. -
04-17-2022, 02:54 PMAmenara
It was pretty disheartening to realize that I can almost count the number of claimed houses in my FC's new ward on one hand after the lottery finished. I am almost positive not a single small house was bid on in the ward.
Pretty sure Yoshi P has said to lower expectations from Island Sanctuary, so I am not gonna bank on it being anything more than just another mini game thing to do for a little bit or when you are bored.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
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04-17-2022, 03:04 PMSindele
Because they want as many FCs as possible to be housed before opening it up to personals, who will take every last bit of availability that remains. They've said multiple times that they can adjust the designations of wards at-will. It is very clear what they are doing.
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04-17-2022, 05:38 PMssunny2008
LOL
You guys do know, that hundreds, even thousands of plots got blocked thanks to a game-breaking bug?! -
04-18-2022, 03:28 AMEaMettFair. It might allow for gardening though. Which would make apartments fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amenara
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04-18-2022, 03:37 AMGreyhawkThe image says nothing. The 0-bug affected FCs more than anything. Plots in all the wards on my server were bid on, and they look just like this, because we all lost to bid 0. Please don't use a game-breaking bug to justify your lack of knowledge about what happened.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
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04-18-2022, 04:17 AMSuperSxyNerd
I really wish you guys would watch the live letters or read before making these posts. They clearly stated the plan in the simplest of terms. Majority FC houses FIRST over personals. The reasons why FC houses get the primary share of housing should be beyond obvious as a FC house servers multiple people and multiple purposes. A personal is just that person and even though you can add people to it outside of gardening and such it really servers no functional purpose.
They said once the first round was done they would evaluate the data on a per world basis, based off demand/need and readjust the numbers and wards accordingly. Obviously if they see like 75% of the wards are for FC and only 1-2 wards are claimed or some such non sense they will open up more for personal use. But FC come first as they should. -
04-18-2022, 05:06 AMBellBixbiteFCs are first going to go war large and mediums over smalls. If they lost then they would do their backups. I'm not saying some FCs dont want smalls but given the lottery system and lot availability why wouldn't they go for a larger plot forst with the odds being fair. It just makes sense before trying for a smallQuote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
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04-18-2022, 05:26 AMJojoyaAnswer to first question - SE didn't want to start the lottery with wards being split based on individual world needs so every world was hit with a worst case scenario split. They'll switch those some of the FC wards to personal in a few months if there are any left that haven't been filled by shell FCs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
Answer to second question - shell FCs been the way to get priority housing in the game since 4.2. You don't have to do it, but it's a lot harder to get a house if you don't. FCs will always have advantage due to the FC only content locked behind house ownership.
Island Sanctuary is not housing.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
You do know that on many worlds, half the FC plots had no bids at all don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ssunny2008
I counted up my ward yesterday as the initial chaos was going on. Out of 60 houses, 27 did not have any bids at all. Only 7 houses had a winning number of 0. My ward is half empty because there weren't enough potential buyers and other wards are in similar shape.
The ward OP displays is probably in a similar state.
YoshiP stressed that Island Sanctuary is non-competitive. Gardening is competitive content due to the marketboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
We know it has some form of gathering but it's not going to be anything we currently have available. More likely that gathering will be used to gain resources to upgrade features on the Island or to support other Island specific content.
Far better to stop hoping that Island Sanctuary is some sort of housing feature solution. On the very remote chance if does turn out to be, you'll have a pleasant surprise.
I don't recall them saying it would happen after the first round, just that they could make changes in the future if they feel there's a need.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSxyNerd
It also wouldn't make sense to do it after the first round. A second round would be needed so those who competed against other FCs and lost got another chance. -
04-18-2022, 05:32 AMVoidedge_Ragna
Of course their empty, which FC would go for a small if they know their still there next week and not go for a large or at least medium. Next lottery the houses with nicer location will go and eventually it will fizzle out to "whats left", you go down the prio list, if this remains for 4-5 lotto weeks they should open it this will depend largely on server however.
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04-18-2022, 05:55 AMJojoya
For those who think it's that empty due to the 0 bug, I checked out that subdivision.
Five houses had bids but are unclaimed. Being from off world, it only lets me view the entry information on the placard but not the results so I can't say how many got hit with the 0 bug and how many are just unclaimed.
There was an additional house that has no entry information and states it is not available for purchase. I'm assuming it was claimed then relinquished.
The remaining houses all had 0 entries. So it's not the bug making that ward look so empty. It really is that empty from a lack of interested FCs. -
04-18-2022, 06:10 AMBellBixbiteLack of FCs bidding on what size houses? Like before woth a lotto go big and then trickle down when you don't get what you want.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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04-18-2022, 06:22 AMcayleigh
I can’t speak for your world but the main reason why the fc wards are empty right now on Mateus is cause we did bid on houses for the fc but most of us got 0 and no one won the house cause of the bug. It’s really quite annoying.
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04-22-2022, 07:43 AMSilhouettic
Do we have any idea when the FC wards will be open to personal housing? I wandered through one of the FC wards that had not a single house and the only properties with bids were the large. Nobody even LOOKING at the mediums. I get why they waited but even on a brand new server folks knew the demand for FC large would be at highest and chose to gamble vs take a medium.
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04-22-2022, 11:08 AMEthanXdeathIsland sanctuary is not and I repeat is not going to be housing in any way shape or form. It's literally a place for your minions to roam and for you to garden, Yoshi P has said he wants everyone to lower their expectations regarding it. So no this is not the reason they are FC locked.Quote:
Originally Posted by EaMett
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04-22-2022, 02:45 PMMasenko
Obivously it's because nobody wants anything other than Large houses.
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04-22-2022, 03:04 PMAmenaraMy copium is that they will look at the ward allocations in 6.15, but I honestly don't expect anything till 6.2 at the earliest, so August-ish. I think the reason everyone skipped medium and went for large is that they knew that this was the only shot at getting a large house, so might as well try for it. You kinda answered your own thought in a way, if no one bid on mediums then they are all available for the next round so they can get one then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Silhouettic
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04-22-2022, 03:23 PMLaylaTsarraWhen they opened Twintania and Spriggan in the EU only FC's were allowed to buy for months. At least here they allowed both although I'll agree the split is bad in my opinion. And yes if you want too you can make a small FC and bid on a house although you have to wait at least 30 days before you can bid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
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04-22-2022, 05:15 PMUkcsAliasAt the same time, most of the FC members also do not realy have any access to the house in regards to interaction. Its usualy just a few members that decide the layout, effectively being tenants on that. Of your 46k mebers, i suspect at most 4.6k members could actualy do something. Most members there are just inflating numbers and can use the house at best for a teleport discount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Bap
And i do not consider stable usage as a part of that! Appartments also provide that capability, so its not FC unique. -
04-22-2022, 05:35 PMRilifaneThis is exactly what bugs me when people say "But if your FC has a house, you have a house! An FC house means 100 people can use a house!".Quote:
Originally Posted by UkcsAlias
No, they can't.
They can teleport to it, they have a stable and maybe they're even allowed to water plants. And that's it. FC house design was always up to a selected 1-2 people in every FC I've been in, everyone else could only teleport, clean the stable/ train chocobos and sometimes water/ fertilize the garden. And if your FC had terrible taste, you were stuck with being able to relax in a gaudy house. What a privilege. Company Chest, Sub/ Airhsip, FC projects and maybe Wheelstand management was also either done by the FC leader or a selected officer.
The main reason people ask for their own house is being able to decorate it to their liking and gardening.
FFXIV often appeals to people that have a creative streak so being able to decorate is a huge appeal for them. Apartments are basically Harry Potter cupboards and you can't float furniture through the basement or close it off for more items on the main floor, which greatly limits the design choices. An apartment is not "half of a small house" as some people claim. It's much less than that.
And gardening/ farming has always been a popular minigame for many people even if it's just watering daily. The process of growing resources yourself is quite appealing and it's the reason why Island Sanctuary may offer that without needing a house. -
04-23-2022, 05:25 AMdspguyI don't think the 0 winning bid bugged plots have been claimed yet. Many will fill up, but not all. I wouldn't use that picture to tell your story... yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
If you look at the FFXIVHousing site - it shows a lot of Houseless FCs. The 1-18 ward restriction for FCs is designed to handle that. Over a few lottery sessions, we will see those wards fill up. If they are still partially empty at that point, maybe SE will open it up to private buyers. -
04-23-2022, 05:42 AMBig_BapEasy solution to what obviously doesn't appear to be a problem on the NA server, because yall are fine staying in large FCs. Don"t like it? Make your own with some friends.Quote:
Originally Posted by UkcsAlias
Don't want to? Don't complain. -
04-24-2022, 09:18 PMThemarvin
Trust me, it is the right thing to do with empty FC wards right now, they will open up later, they did so with shirogane as well, however they offered people who wanted to relocate that option as well back then, the op has not played the game long enough to know or realize that it is certainly a different approach in this game, than which he came from.
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04-24-2022, 10:38 PMnot_ya_wifyY'all do realize there was a major bug preventing lottery winners from claiming their houses and they are still working on trying to fix the issue. I also think giving that many wards to Free Companies is overkill but saying that all these houses are empty because nobody wanted them just isn't true. I'm also betting that they are watching the situation and will later release FC wards to individuals. They've done this before where ALL wards were ALL FCs. (That's why I never got a personal large house...) They do this to give dibs to FCs which cater to more than one player. After all the Free Companies took the houses they wanted many small plots were still open. So, the released it back to individual purchasers. Of course, for an individual buyer it sucks if you set your sights on a mansion but that's one disgruntled person versus 15 in an FCQuote:
Originally Posted by Battler-Ushiromiya
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04-24-2022, 11:17 PMnot_ya_wifyI've had an FC with a large house since Shirogane opened. In the beginning I made sure to include every one of the interactive furnishings, so FC members can use them but nobody really did except for one or 2 people and over time I had close to 200 members. So, now I don't even put those out anymore. If anyone asked, I would though. It's true that I'm the only one who is decorating the house but I'm a decorator, so I don't get a whole lot of complaints and the FC members that are still there love to hang out. Also, a lot of FCs (and individual owners) with not so talented members but Gil to spare will hire a decorator to do their house design for them. Anyways, other than placing furniture, every FC member who has been there for 2 weeks and interacted with us gets access to everything: workshop, actions, gardening, whatever. Still, I'm the only one who purchases actions and turns them on, cleans the stables, and I haven't used the garden plots in months if not years. The only thing only I and the officers have access to is placing furniture and the orchestrion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rilifane
I also would say apartments are actually a little larger than half a small house. Apartments are 3x4 partition lengths while the top of a small house is only 3x3. It's true you can't push anything through the basement ceiling but most people who do that will block off the basement anyway. So, you actually have a 3x3 space with 200 items vs a 3x4 space with 100 items or if you don't block off the basement, you have a 3x3 + 3x4 space with 200 items. As a decorator, I think the item to space ratio in apartments is the best in the game and I love to decorate apartments. I think all the item limits should be expanded to be proportionate to apartments. In comparison, a mansion would need a minimum of 1600 items to have the same item to space ratio as apartments and that is if you only count floors. If you declare the large empty space in the middle on the top floor, you'd even need more slots than that. But instead you only get 400 items which doesn't even cover what you would need in a medium to get the same item to space ratio.