Viera :(

I completely understand when the devs told us that enabling all previous in game head pieces to Viera would be very difficult. But seriously ignoring this for new head pieces is just downright lazy. The new pvp set looks amazing but Viera and Hrothgar cannot use the headpiece!! Seriously?

small indie company btw

The devs said from day 1 not to expect veira head stuff to be the same as everyone else.

Yep :/
They shouldn't have even released it if it wasn't going to be finished.

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Originally Posted by deadman1204

The devs said from day 1 not to expect veira head stuff to be the same as everyone else.

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lol right small indie game company like the person above said XD. Why should we not expect this? Glam is a massive part of the game, we should 100% expect new headgear to be available on viera and hrothgar.

for real.
devs have done viera and hroths dirty.

getting real tired of my friends and alt always being forgotten about.

I saw all the beautiful helmets in the new raid, tried it on and it’s not visible. Also, I’m loving the new 5v5 PVP mode, I also tried on the armour set from it aaaand the headgear doesn’t show either.

I don’t know why I expected any different. Circlets are okay, I try and make-do with what I have, but I would like more of a variety one day.

The feeling I got from the level 89 Reaper hood was so amazing, I adored it so much... it literally got to the point where I kept zooming in on my character during a dungeon run, because I couldn’t believe I was wearing a hat (especially with my ears poking out! It looked great)

Can we please just have more hats?

I feel this every time when I find a cool hat that will match my glam but then I’m reminded I’m playing viera and it’s a limited race. :(

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Originally Posted by Valkret

I completely understand when the devs told us that enabling all previous in game head pieces to Viera would be very difficult. But seriously ignoring this for new head pieces is just downright lazy. The new pvp set looks amazing but Viera and Hrothgar cannot use the headpiece!! Seriously?

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This is by design. As far as I am aware, Hrothgar and Viera were chosen *specifically* for being custom and having limitations. I speculate, so they could release the "last" races and not have the same amount of support as the prior races; less work. Meaning, I highly doubt they had any intention on releasing anything after their release state. They just had to pivot when there was a large community outcry for headgear, and male viera. Compromising with minor headgear support (circlets, etc.), and the monetary gain from implementing male viera (short term) - which are apparently very popular in Japan.

This is why hrothgar hair, viera hair, and everything else is/was taking so long. They seem to have already preplanned viera/hrothgar copy paste hairs, but only at the end of ShB - likely when they said they were "looking into" viera hairs. There were no plans prior. I suspect that if they cut the copy paste hairs from hrothgar, we are unlikely to see anything for them until the next expansion. I digress.

When it comes to headpiece (hat) support, don't expect anything. It isn't in the plans, and was never in the plans.

I have and continue to hold the expectation of absolutely no headgear for Viera and Hrothgar.
Any pieces that do get it are a nice surprise but not expected. They told us this as they were developing them.

Why bother releasing content that is not ready? No amount of "but players wanted it!" can support the fact that vieras are just not finished. When players said they wanted it they didn't keep a half-assed product in mind.

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Originally Posted by Theox

Why bother releasing content that is not ready? No amount of "but players wanted it!" can support the fact that vieras are just not finished. When players said they wanted it they didn't keep a half-assed product in mind.

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Viera are finished, to exactly what they intended. This is why I don't like to refer to it as "finishing the race". They did not intend on releasing male viera (or female hrothgar). They are/were finished to their specifications. I prefer calling it "fix" or "update". In regards to viera/hrothgar.

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Originally Posted by Theox

Why bother releasing content that is not ready? No amount of "but players wanted it!" can support the fact that vieras are just not finished. When players said they wanted it they didn't keep a half-assed product in mind.

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Because people wouldn't stop making massive threads demanding they get them.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Viera are finished, to exactly what they intended. This is why I don't like to refer to it as "finishing the race". They did not intend on male viera, or female hrothgar, for that matter. They are/were finished to their specifications. I prefer calling it "fix" or "update". In regards to viera/hrothgar.

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What they intended is an unfinished product. I don't want to exercise in semantics here, you understand what I mean and I stand by what I said. You have to be stupid to actually think people won't complain. They knew it would come to this and it did. Stop defending laziness from the devs. Male vieras were one of the strongest selling points this expansion, they probably just rushed it (like everything else in EW) and started to make compromises with players. There can never be an excuse for laziness.

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Originally Posted by Theox

What they intended is an unfinished product. I don't want to exercise in semantics here, you understand what I mean and I stand by what I said. You have to be stupid to actually think people won't complain. They knew it would come to this and it did. Stop defending laziness from the devs. Male vieras were one of the strongest selling points this expansion, they probably just rushed it (like everything else in EW) and started to make compromises with players. There can never be an excuse for laziness.

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The only reason we even have viera/hrothgar is because they never intended on "FINISHING" them, you get it? I can almost guarantee you if they could turn back time they would have never released either.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Because people wouldn't stop making massive threads demanding they get them.

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Yet they choose to ignore those other massive threads when people demand something. Looks like making male vieras was a more convenient demand for them huh?

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

The only reason we even have viera/hrothgar is because they never intended on "FINISHING" them, you get it? I can almost guarantee you if they could turn back time they would have never released either.

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So you accept the fact that vieras are unfinished? Good.

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Originally Posted by Theox

So you accept the fact that vieras are unfinished? Good.

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You must have not lurked these forums long if you think I am a defender of SE's practices surrounding Viera/hrothgar. :confused:

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

You must have not lurked these forums long if you think I am a defender of SE's practices surrounding Viera/hrothgar. :confused:

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I don't stalk people on here and definitely do not remember everyone. Right now what you did is exactly defended SE.

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Originally Posted by Theox

I don't stalk people on here and definitely do not remember everyone. Right now what you did is exactly defended SE.

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How exactly? I stated the reality of the situation. That is it. If you think I am defending them, just because I type out a different outlook...? Whatever. I am done here.

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Originally Posted by Valkret

I completely understand when the devs told us that enabling all previous in game head pieces to Viera would be very difficult. But seriously ignoring this for new head pieces is just downright lazy. The new pvp set looks amazing but Viera and Hrothgar cannot use the headpiece!! Seriously?

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The questions when that happens:

1)Is the helmet a full-helm? Aka not shows any hair underneath
2) The helmet's structure allows the ears of any shape or size to be there without clipping horribly through anything?

It seems those are the criteria when making new helms available.Some helms literally have no space above to have ears exist without being pierced by the helm's structure.

But despite that, there are still a ton of helms that can work just fine, like bandanas, caps, small hats, hoods. There's literally nothing above that can be an "ear hazard"... But then, they need to make the Viera exclusive hairstyles adaptable to hats - which means when you put on a hat your hair sorts of get into "hat mode". What seems to be that Viera's unique styles didn't get that feature because originally they weren't planning to add any hat at all.

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Originally Posted by Valkret

I completely understand when the devs told us that enabling all previous in game head pieces to Viera would be very difficult. But seriously ignoring this for new head pieces is just downright lazy. The new pvp set looks amazing but Viera and Hrothgar cannot use the headpiece!! Seriously?

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Didn't see it mentioned in the thread but may have overlooked it. Just for the record (and for educational purposes only, thank you SE) there are already multiple mods that have enabled and correctly scaled many if not all of the available hats and helmets for Viera. Don't buy SE telling you it's too hard or can't be done.

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Originally Posted by Theox

Yet they choose to ignore those other massive threads when people demand something. Looks like making male vieras was a more convenient demand for them huh?

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Massive threads, constantly mentioning it on social media, bringing it up in tons of Live Letter Q&A threads, threatening to unsub if they didn't get them, the list goes on. People wouldn't shut up about them so SE gave them what they asked for and warned players they weren't going to be implemented to the same standards right away as the other races.

Yeah, not a fan of this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I completely understand not going back and changing every piece of existing head gear in the game to work with Viera, but there's no excuse for brand new gear designed and released after Viera were introduced to not have a version that works for Viera. And this is doubly true when it's a set specifically designed as a piece intended as a specific reward for completion of specific content (aka not just dungeon gear or random crafted gear).

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

Yeah, not a fan of this. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I completely understand not going back and changing every piece of existing head gear in the game to work with Viera, but there's no excuse for brand new gear designed and released after Viera were introduced to not have a version that works for Viera. And this is doubly true when it's a set specifically designed as a piece intended as a specific reward for completion of specific content (aka not just dungeon gear or random crafted gear).

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Unless they add the hair deformations on viera no headgear that affects hair will ever be on them no matter if it comes out today or 6 years ago, for the most part their ingame system takes care of the gear scaling btw, they even had a blogpost about this.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/blog/003213.html

EDIT: Okay, realized this thread was about the budget sauron cosplay why the hell is a fully closed helmet not enabled on viera and hrothgar?? Literally just enable the flag ???

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

How exactly? I stated the reality of the situation. That is it. If you think I am defending them, just because I type out a different outlook...? Whatever. I am done here.

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Guess they don't remember your thread on SE and their problem with tails and capes clipping.

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Originally Posted by Valkret

I completely understand when the devs told us that enabling all previous in game head pieces to Viera would be very difficult. But seriously ignoring this for new head pieces is just downright lazy. The new pvp set looks amazing but Viera and Hrothgar cannot use the headpiece!! Seriously?

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I just want to add that Hrothgars can use the new PvP head gear (Archfiend).

https://i.imgur.com/WFLRwWd.png

I have no doubt that a "fix patch", made by the players themselves, will be released soon =)