Map Opacity

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05-18-2012, 03:03 AM
Rukkirii

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Map Opacity

We will be addressing map opacity in patch 1.22b and would like to introduce what we are planning with some screenshots:

• Opacity 0%
Attachment 341

• Opacity 50%
Attachment 342

• Opacity 80%
Attachment 343

The opacity can be altered via a slider.
Attachment 344

Hold tight just a little while longer, 1.22b is right around the corner!
05-18-2012, 03:19 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

1.22b is right around the corner!

Sadly there's only a Wokcanos around the corner from me, I'll ask them about this though :D
05-18-2012, 03:32 AM
Suirieko

Awesome. Been wanting this for a while!
05-18-2012, 03:44 AM
Tango

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1.22b is right around the corner!

I'm most interested in this part, when is around the corner? Next week? I want to see the changes to DRG/PLD/WAR and how that all plays out. Could be pretty major hoping that they go extreme and really push PLD in the right direction.
05-18-2012, 03:53 AM
syntaxlies

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Originally Posted by Tango

I'm most interested in this part, when is around the corner? Next week? I want to see the changes to DRG/PLD/WAR and how that all plays out. Could be pretty major hoping that they go extreme and really push PLD in the right direction.

im scared of what may happen to warrior though.
05-18-2012, 04:18 AM
Elexia

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Originally Posted by syntaxlies

im scared of what may happen to warrior though.

It'll still be warrior, just not overpowered anymore.
05-18-2012, 04:22 AM
ydp002

Paladin FTW
05-18-2012, 04:33 AM
Kerwin

"I can see clearly now" woot.
05-18-2012, 04:38 AM
Amherst

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Originally Posted by Elexia

It'll still be warrior, just not overpowered anymore.

People are worried SE will go beyond using a nerf hammer and drop a nuke on the class. Adjusting balance is fine, we just don't want to see the class go from one extreme to the other is all.
05-18-2012, 05:37 AM
Vinta

You need to either switch the percentages or re-learn the definition of Opaque, I'm afraid. 0% Opacity is 100% See-Through, and 100% Opacity is 0% See-Through.

Edit: Oh look, I'm the only one who seems to have stayed on-topic and offered any kind of, dare I say, "feedback" on the new feature.
05-18-2012, 05:44 AM
Amherst

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Originally Posted by Vinta

You need to either switch the percentages or re-learn the definition of Opaque, I'm afraid. 0% Opacity is 100% See-Through, and 100% Opacity is 0% See-Through.

Edit: Oh look, I'm the only one who seems to have stayed on-topic and offered any kind of, dare I say, "feedback" on the new feature.

Needs more song lyrics.
05-18-2012, 06:38 AM
Malakhim

I'm OK about this.
05-18-2012, 08:34 AM
Nakiamiie

Oh! Sweet! Nice tweak! :D
05-18-2012, 09:15 AM
Raldo

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Originally Posted by Vinta

You need to either switch the percentages or re-learn the definition of Opaque, I'm afraid. 0% Opacity is 100% See-Through, and 100% Opacity is 0% See-Through.

This.

I believe the word that should be used is map "Transparency". I'm hoping the localization team will catch that before it goes live.
05-18-2012, 10:15 AM
RolandDebreton

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Originally Posted by Amherst

Needs more song lyrics.

I can see clearly now,
the map is gone,
I can see all obstacles,
in my way.
Gone are now all the lines,
that make me blind.
It's gonna be opaque, PAAAA,
Opaaque, see through map!
05-18-2012, 11:14 AM
Valmonte

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Originally Posted by Amherst

People are worried SE will go beyond using a nerf hammer and drop a nuke on the class. Adjusting balance is fine, we just don't want to see the class go from one extreme to the other is all.

you mean from going Tank/DD back to the more traditional DD/Tank.
05-19-2012, 12:23 AM
Elexia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinta

You need to either switch the percentages or re-learn the definition of Opaque, I'm afraid. 0% Opacity is 100% See-Through, and 100% Opacity is 0% See-Through.

Edit: Oh look, I'm the only one who seems to have stayed on-topic and offered any kind of, dare I say, "feedback" on the new feature.

Probably because...the word "opacity" is still correct to use if you're able to adjust it. You can't call it 'transparency or 'see-through' if you can see the map or see through it. Since transparency and opacity goes hand in hand when you're able to adjust it.

So like always, it's less "feedback" and more "being anal about a word used" lol >.>
05-19-2012, 01:07 AM
Dusk_Shardveil

Yay! Thanks!

Opacity / Transparency. Fairly interchangable words for me when it relates to something with a slider. I think we can figure out what it does easy enough. Nit pickers.
05-19-2012, 01:16 AM
syntaxlies

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Originally Posted by Malakhim

I'm OK about this.

good thing, now SE can carry on as planned
05-19-2012, 10:13 AM
Vinta

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Probably because...the word "opacity" is still correct to use if you're able to adjust it. You can't call it 'transparency or 'see-through' if you can see the map or see through it. Since transparency and opacity goes hand in hand when you're able to adjust it.

So like always, it's less "feedback" and more "being anal about a word used" lol >.>

This does not change the fact that 100% Opacity doesn't mean you can see through the map!
05-19-2012, 05:23 PM
Halvaard_Vidan

Neat little feature there, hope to see more of the like in future patches!
(send some staff to play some free2plays and look for nice features to emulate, lol)
05-21-2012, 11:46 PM
Inzoum

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Originally Posted by Elexia

Probably because...the word "opacity" is still correct to use if you're able to adjust it. You can't call it 'transparency or 'see-through' if you can see the map or see through it. Since transparency and opacity goes hand in hand when you're able to adjust it.

So like always, it's less "feedback" and more "being anal about a word used" lol >.>

No, you just don't understand what the problem is.

That's like if you had a setting on your TV called "Darkness", where 0 = very dark and 100 = very bright. Doesn't "increasing the Darkness level to make the image brighter" seem messed up to you? Probably not given the way you reacted to Vinta's very appropriate comment, maybe you think that's a totally normal thing. The problem here is that either "Darkness" should be called "Brightness" to more appropriately represent what the setting controls, or the setting should work the other way around to match what it's called.

Back to the current case:

Increasing opacity should make things more opaque. Hence, if "opacity" is retained as the word used on the UI, the setting should be 0 = transparent, 100 = opaque.

On the other hand, the word "Transparency" could be used instead to correctly represent the effect these numbers produce in these screenshots, where 0 = opaque, and 100 = transparent

Edit: If you need yet another analogy, think of a setting called "Size", where 0 = biggest and 100 = smallest. Makes. No. Effin. Sense... Same thing going on here. The fact that it's a slider makes absolutely no difference in the logic.
05-25-2012, 09:09 AM
Sabaku_Usagi

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Originally Posted by Vinta

This does not change the fact that 100% Opacity doesn't mean you can see through the map!

Photoshop 101~