Trusts? But not for 2 or 3 players?

So , they are updating trusts to do a lot more dungoeons and allow folks to play solo. But one problem we have had from the beginning is that we can't play with friends and use trusts. Why not? Trusts not smart enough? Sometimes I don't wanna play solo, but with my friend and then fill the party with Trust members.

So, if I'm alone, so far trusts are much slower - less damage and if you die the healer won't rez you - stuff like that. So use Duty Finder.

So if I'm with a friend - NOOoooooooo Trusts don't work either. Even with all the updates they are planning? Can we please have trusts work for parties of 2-3 players?
Thanks for listening.

The balance of Trusts is being slower than a full party of players. Even with only 2 or 3 players, the speed of completion would increase significantly, shifting that balance.

I mean, that would provide balance if not for the fact that Trusts are unironically faster than roughly half of the parties you get in DF.

I wish they would allow Trusts to fill in spots when party members disconnect/leave instead of hoping that someone joins.

But during leveling, it would be nice to have Trust fill the other two spots when my friend and I decide to join.

Yes it might be faster but using Trusts is already slow since they typically can't handle mass pulls anyway.

I believe it's for technical reasons - something to do with the Trusts' AI not being able to read the current position/status of more than one player character in the party or something.

Either way they have mentioned in the past that it's not possible to have a 'partial player/partial Trust' party in dungeons (also remember that doing a duty with Trusts is handled through it's own special interface, not the Duty Finder, so that alone would have to be completely redesigned to accomodate that).

It's a pity they couldn't make Trusts like they have them in FFXI where it's effectively an AI "Companion/Pet" that you can summon to fill up the missing spots in a party (or form an entire party if you wanna solo). Works reasonably well in there from past experience though I expect it would be harder to implement in 14 due to the way dungeons/raids/etc are created (whereas most of 11 was open-world and Trusts couldn't be used for some instances).

It probably substantially harder to have 2 trust members synergize with 2 player or 1 trust with 3 players I would imagine it would more than double the QA time for the feature. Who knows for sure but I imagine it would be more efficient at that point to scale the dungeons to the amount of player available providing appropriate duty actions and echo

Trusts are specifically scripted to only react/respond to there being one "real" person in the party. Dev time would have to be significantly increased to accommodate for more than one person.

Why would the trusts need to behave any different though if one or two more of them were replaced by players? They can behave the same way as with one player (perhaps using the party lead as 'the player'), and the players can adjust. Even if that would mean the trusts don't react to a stack marker on one of the extra players, it's enough to have two players move and stand on top of one trust npc to deal with the stack marker (or even just two players move together, stack markers usually only kill in dungeons if tanking them fully alone).

Trusts are like squadrons. You can't have both NPCs and players in the dungeon at the same time.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

Trusts are like squadrons. You can't have both NPCs and players in the dungeon at the same time.

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You just confirmed my long-held suspicion...the WoL actually IS an NPC. That's why we don't have a voice and can only /stoicnod, /fistpalm, /thumbchest and /headtilt in response to things.

I think the purpose of the trust is to offer a choice. Do you want to group with other players or not? It's not designed to have a partial answer. It's all or nothing. I think that's fair.

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Originally Posted by Casti_EL

It's a pity they couldn't make Trusts like they have them in FFXI where it's effectively an AI "Companion/Pet" that you can summon to ...

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The battle system is too different to allow AI "companion/pet" to be of much use in 14.

Also, the AI "companion/pet" you're used to in 11 has been replaced by your Chocobo. :)

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

You can't have both NPCs and players in the dungeon at the same time.

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The Tower of Babil

The Ghimlyt Dark

The Heroes' Gauntlet

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Adding my ten cents here but I feel Trusts have been massively misunderstood since their introduction.

Trusts are essentially Story Mode. Realistic pulls (how the game teaches and expects rather than wall to wall), unique dialogue for immersion and a party of trusted NPCs who'll follow your lead, wait for you and not rush off and flawlessly perform mechanics while not complaining or even acknowledging if you die to them, giving the perfect opportunity for practice.

I always go Trust my first time round, then often PUG the instance when repeating. Or go Trust again if I feel I need a refresher.

Also, sometimes if I feel I just need a break from people. I know the NPCs are always gonna behave predictably.

If you have friends to group up with, just PUG the rest. Even if things turn sour, you know at least one other person has your back.

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Originally Posted by DrWho2010

Trusts are specifically scripted to only react/respond to there being one "real" person in the party. Dev time would have to be significantly increased to accommodate for more than one person.

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No, make it for premade only, make the party leader the leading player and ignore the other real one, there cant be any reason why that would not work...

As i got my wife it really sucks we cant do trust together...