Allow players to queue for multiple duties at the same time

I'm seeing a lot of concern about how to level once MSQ roulette goes away because so many players found it an easy way to get XP.

MSQ roulette really wasn't that exceptional for XP when you considered the time spent in the duty. You could do 3 level appropriate dungeons in the same amount of time it would take to complete Praetorium and get about the same XP.

The big difference is that you would only have to sit through a queue wait once for MSQ roulette to get that triple XP. If you are using dungeons to get it, you have 3 separate queue waits eating into your time. While there is other content you can do while waiting, it's still an annoyance.

This is where something could be borrowed from WoW. Back when I was still playing (and assume it's probably still true), players could queue for 3 different LFR wings at the same time. You'd be placed in the first available wing while your position in queue would continue for the other two. Usually the second wing would be ready as soon as you completed the first, and the third would be ready on completion of the second. That way you effectively had just a single queue wait instead of 3 separate waits.

It would be nice if something similar were implemented here with Duty Finder. Allow players to queue for up to 3 different duties/roulettes at the same time and have their positions in queue maintained for the subsequent duties. It would ease some of the frustration in leveling additional jobs caused by waits in queue.

Other than roulettes, you can queue for 5 different duties at once. Whichever one fills first is the one you get to go into.

What do you mean by a wing being ready? Are these instances in WoW that depend on each other?

Also, how would the game hold your position in the queue once you go into an instance? It would move the next person in the queue up so they could get their chance to fill in the next available spot.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

Other than roulettes, you can queue for 5 different duties at once. Whichever one fills first is the one you get to go into.

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I think the problem OP is stating is that they want to be able to pop the queue serially. As in while doing the first they want to keep position in the 2nd and 3rd and be able to pop straight into those after the first is done.

Right now you can queue for 5, but as soon as you get one you drop out of the other 4.

You can queue for 5 already, just not roulettes.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think the problem OP is stating is that they want to be able to pop the queue serially. As in while doing the first they want to keep position in the 2nd and 3rd and be able to pop straight into those after the first is done.

Right now you can queue for 5, but as soon as you get one you drop out of the other 4.

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And that in itself would cause problems quite likely with reserving a spot while they are already bound by a duty. Most likely doing something like that would hinder other people from getting into a duty in a timely manner, and essentially cause the person queueing like that to end up jumping the line of people who have been waiting for a duty to pop

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Originally Posted by Avatre

And that in itself would cause problems quite likely with reserving a spot while they are already bound by a duty. Most likely doing something like that would hinder other people from getting into a duty in a timely manner, and essentially cause the person queueing like that to end up jumping the line of people who have been waiting for a duty to pop

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Yup. Those are the inherent problems if you just stack that ontop of what we have now.

Honestly on the surface, the idea to allow peeps to queue into multiple Roulettes is great. But, I really wonder how technically spaghetti it would be. Probably some new issue with 1.0 bases will crop up again!

They are trying to solve this issue is by making everything work with Trust system.

Like atm, if I want to level a dps, I will go to my squadron and run dungeons with my squadron up until lvl 50. This will help me avoid the queue, but it is very slooooooow and sometimes frustrating. (As some mechancis are not well designed with squadron bots, e.g.: healer bot does not know how to remove doom...)

Not to mention, squadron missions can give you 15% exp bonus scrolls which can be used to level.

They said that their final goal is to make everything work with Trust system and squadrons are ignored now because of that.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

I think the problem OP is stating is that they want to be able to pop the queue serially. As in while doing the first they want to keep position in the 2nd and 3rd and be able to pop straight into those after the first is done.

Right now you can queue for 5, but as soon as you get one you drop out of the other 4.

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It hurt me you didn't have a like lol.

Real world example for me might be something like Disney's old fast pass system, where you'd go grab a ticket and need to come back later for a window of time for your turn in one content and meanwhile could do another content while waiting.

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Originally Posted by Shuuli

They said that their final goal is to make everything work with Trust system and squadrons are ignored now because of that.

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As someone that has spent a few days glamoring my squad and actually enjoying the system, that news really steamed my hams. :/

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

What do you mean by a wing being ready? Are these instances in WoW that depend on each other?

Also, how would the game hold your position in the queue once you go into an instance? It would move the next person in the queue up so they could get their chance to fill in the next available spot.

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LFR (Looking for Raid) divided the raid into sections so instead of doing all the bosses in one sitting, you'd get a set group (the wing). To complete the full raid via LFR, you would queue for each wing (there would be 1-4 wings depending on total bosses).

How it held your position - once you went into the first wing, your position in queue for the other two would continue to advance with Group Finder keeping track of your position. Once you got out of your current duty, you'd be higher up in queue for the remaining two duties. Get to the top (if you weren't already there) and you're placed into the next group to form. Same with the third duty once the second was completed. You didn't have to requeue and start from the bottom.

If you reached the top of the queue while in one of the other duties and a group was ready to form, it didn't change your position. It would pick the next available player in queue not bound by duty to join the group instead.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

You can queue for 5 already, just not roulettes.

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But as others have said, you are then dropped from the queue for the remaining 4 once you get placed in a group and have to start over.

With WoW's LFR system, you'd remain in queue "on hold" for the ones not yet done.

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Originally Posted by Avatre

And that in itself would cause problems quite likely with reserving a spot while they are already bound by a duty. Most likely doing something like that would hinder other people from getting into a duty in a timely manner, and essentially cause the person queueing like that to end up jumping the line of people who have been waiting for a duty to pop

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It didn't cause problems in WoW, Why would it cause problems here?

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

Honestly on the surface, the idea to allow peeps to queue into multiple Roulettes is great. But, I really wonder how technically spaghetti it would be. Probably some new issue with 1.0 bases will crop up again!

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That's always the problem. The code for Duty Finder might work vastly different from the code that WoW used for LFR.

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Originally Posted by Shuuli

They are trying to solve this issue is by making everything work with Trust system.

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No. Trust is for players who aren't comfortable playing in groups or wish not to for some reason. The queues may be near instant but that's a side effect of the solo design (no need to wait for a match on needed roles because Trust is filling them).

Also, running a dungeon via Trust doesn't amount to a time savings compared to queueing normally for each dungeon one by one. Trust is designed to be slower.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

How it held your position - once you went into the first wing, your position in queue for the other two would continue to advance with Group Finder keeping track of your position. Once you got out of your current duty, you'd be higher up in queue for the remaining two duties. Get to the top (if you weren't already there) and you're placed into the next group to form. Same with the third duty once the second was completed. You didn't have to requeue and start from the bottom.

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How in the world would that remotely be fair to someone who queued into the second duty but gets bumped because someone else got there whatever time before? No. Just no. These are separate duties, not one pieced out raid, and we should go back to the bottom past those who are already queued once we get our chance to run our first choice instance. We had our chance with our first choice. Now it's time to get in line behind those who haven't gotten their first choice yet.

100% agree that we should be able to queue multiple rolos even if we don't keep the queeu on the others when one pops. A very simple but very helpful quality of life change.

Queueing for roulette is like queuing for multiple dungeons at once. Not sure I get what the difference is. Imagine when you queue for leveling roulette, you have essentially queued for every dungeon at your level and below. You are placed in a queue based on your role. As you move up the queue, sometimes you are jumped over because your level is too low for the instance that someone else has queued up for. But you maintain your position, just everyone behind you moves up by 1.

It would be a lot of work to rewrite DF to be able to queue for 4, 8 and 24 man instances all at once.