Praetorium is dead, long live Praetorium

According to the Letter from the Producer, not only is Trust functionality being added to ARR MSQ, but Meridianum and Praetorium are being downgraded from full party to light party.

Also, apparently Ultima Weapon is being decoupled from the Praetorium into a trial? Unless I misunderstood? (EDIT: I did misunderstand, it's Lahabrea that's being decoupled)

No more mass-leaving Meridianum and no more DCing healers in Praetorium!

Praetorium is dead! Long live the new Praetorium!

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Also, apparently Ultima Weapon is being decoupled from the Praetorium into a trial? Unless I misunderstood?

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I believe that fight is still part of the dungeon, only as a light party instance. The fight that is separated is Lahabrea, which will be a quest duty, like Cape Westwind.

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Originally Posted by linayar

I believe that fight is still part of the dungeon, only as a light party instance. The fight that is separated is Lahabrea, which will be a quest duty, like Cape Westwind.

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Still! Very exciting! 1-50 leveling will now go by in less than an hour at this rate!

it definitely sounded to me like it would be Cape Westwind (solo duty), Castrum Meridianum (4 player dungeon), Praetorium (4 player dungeon), Ultima Weapon (4 player trial), Lahabrea (solo duty)

Good. No more MSR outcries.

hopefully!

Unironically excited this is finally happening.

but what about my XP and my Tomes. Such devastation, this was surely not their intention?

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Originally Posted by NailBach

but what about my XP and my Tomes. Such devastation, this was surely not their intention?

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Definitely want to hear what their plans are with MSQ roulette. If they adjust it so it's the 4 man versions, are they modifying the number of cutscenes? And if so, I imagine they would need to massively drop the rewards.

If this affects Mentor Roulette as well, then praise the Twelves!

One thing I'd love to see in addition to trusts that I really hope they one day implement is being able to do a trust party with friends. Like if me and one other person want to do a dungeon together we could have the option to fill in the other two slots with trust members. Or if there's three of us, just take one trust member.

Mostly I want to do this because some of the earlier content is very easy and some of my friends have lamented how much parties tend to blaze through it and wanted to experience the game in a more appropriate manner. Trusts go a long way to fixing this, but being able to do a mix of playing with a couple friends and trust filling in while doing things at min ilvl would be neat.

Oh my. I have to finish leveling my healers fast before they implement this Change. MSQ Roulette was always the only way for me to get my Healers to max level XD.

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Originally Posted by NailBach

but what about my XP and my Tomes. Such devastation, this was surely not their intention?

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Hopefully they move crystal tower raids to MSQ to replace it

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Originally Posted by SarahWoof

One thing I'd love to see in addition to trusts that I really hope they one day implement is being able to do a trust party with friends. Like if me and one other person want to do a dungeon together we could have the option to fill in the other two slots with trust members. Or if there's three of us, just take one trust member.

Mostly I want to do this because some of the earlier content is very easy and some of my friends have lamented how much parties tend to blaze through it and wanted to experience the game in a more appropriate manner. Trusts go a long way to fixing this, but being able to do a mix of playing with a couple friends and trust filling in while doing things at min ilvl would be neat.

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This is my #1 desire with Trusts. I'd love to get my hubby back in and have him able to duo with me and have the Trusts and I carry him through the story so he gets to see it.

They better not nerf the experience gained. Otherwise it’s going to take longer to level

Good. No more freeloaders in MSQ roulette.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Hopefully they move crystal tower raids to MSQ to replace it

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Unironically I don't know why this hasn't been done yet.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Unironically I don't know why this hasn't been done yet.

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Because people would abandon it for Prea due to exp fishing like they're doing with Castrum

im knew changes were coming but im still incredibly saddened by the news. i prefer prea over the other but i never dropped because i pulled it. i loved the extra xp from the ms roulette and loved prea for my moogle tokens during events so i will be in mourning over this. i like the fact they will be going trust to help people who are trying to do the story especially dps that have the longer queus though. but trusts arent a gimme either especially if you are new to the fight because you basically have to fight pretty flawless since you die then its a wipe.

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Originally Posted by Baxcel

Hopefully they move crystal tower raids to MSQ to replace it

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They have no need to.

MSQ roulette rewards were not a daily freebie to level with. They're payment for sitting through a lot of long cutscenes in order to help new players progress their MSQ. Unfortunately players felt entitled to the payment without actually doing the job, resulting in first having to make the cutscenes unskippable and now reducing them to 4 player content, because players would take the payment and rush through without caring at all about the sprouts they were being paid in tomes and exp to help.

I'm quite certain they'll nerf the rewards and the overall playerbase fully deserves it.

You must be fun at parties.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I'm quite certain they'll nerf the rewards and the overall playerbase fully deserves it.

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The "majority deserving it" part is a bit harsh but the overall point is correct. The reason for the high rewards (large number of people needed for a long and undesirable duty) is being reduced or removed. It would be nice if they can add some new roulette types to fill the gap but I don't think they'll be doing anything with the generous rewards of this one again.

I would not be surprised if the cutscenes become skippable again and a note added recommending that the player use trusts if they want to see all the story at their own pace. If the dungeon structure is actually reviewed, they might even shift some cutscenes into mid-fight voiceovers.

The mention of addressing eight-man content in 7.0 (aside of raising the possibility of story mode Coils at last) could also potentially lead to them rebuilding one or both stages of the Ultima Weapon fight as a trial and cut that – and the related cutscenes – away from the Praetorium running length.

The thing I am worried about is not having another roulette to get to the level 90 cap of tomestones when I get there. If they balance it with another roulette I will be satisfied all regular tomestones for gear from 50 to 80 you use the same tomestones having that extra roulette allows for getting the gear in a timely fashion. I also hope with all hope that they fix the leveling roulette scaling for giving proper xp per level, at least I wont get garuda anymore in leveling roulette with a bunch of people with all level 90s wondering why I am even there in the first place. It is like this for copperbell. If you get copperbell at level 56 you get a quarter of a level sometimes less this is with the fc and food buff when before it scaled giving a level or close to it from what I remember pre EW.

Also yes please for the love of god crystal tower raid maybe a separate roulette or requiring your level to match item level so people stop dragging me into that for a 'roulette' to go afk. maybe have crystal tower split with something else and than big boi alliance raid roulette for people who wish to play the game and get something other than crystal tower raid forever forever at any level always!!! I live there please send help I just want any other raid series, I have been getting only sycus tower for two months now I am sick of it! I would even be happy with wod just something please anything!!

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

How will I mindlessly farm my Moogle Money now????!!!!!!


(moogle tomes)

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

NOOOOOOOOO!!!!

How will I mindlessly farm my Moogle Money now????!!!!!!


(moogle tomes)

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Don’t worry. The mindless moogle tome farmer will just flood the pvp roulette and run around throwing the game to make sure matches end faster.

No more forced cutscenes!

I didnt watch it, just the quick wrap up but didn't they said it was gonna be after 7.0 that they'll maybe work on it? That for all of the 6.x they are adding trust to everything else?

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

I didnt watch it, just the quick wrap up but didn't they said it was gonna be after 7.0 that they'll maybe work on it? That for all of the 6.x they are adding trust to everything else?

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The ARR revisions and Trust dungeons are supposedly coming with patch 6.1.

Fare-the-well, ez exp. Thankfully all my jobs are at 90 so it won't hurt to see it go.

They mentioned that story adjustments are being made so the dungeons will be Trust compatible. I would imagine that's going to hold especially true for Castrum and Praetorium. Most of the existing cutscenes may be getting replaced if not outright removed (those searchlight cutscenes in Castrum really need to go, they're pointless).

With Trust being an option for those who want a "full" experience, there's no need for MSQ roulette to exist anymore. Castrum/Praetorium can get rolled into one of the existing roulettes instead with cutscene skipping allowed.

Guess people will learn to be more careful what they wish for. No more forced cutscenes - but also no more crazy bonus XP/tomestones.