frontlines ?

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I think frontlines is unhealthy for the ff14 pvp community. don't get me wrong it is a good game mode, however, the fact that it requires 72 players AND it is in roulettes makes it so the other game modes are barely even touched. I personally love pvp in any game and I have yet to be to experience any other game modes due to insane que times, which has in turn turned me off from ff14 pvp as a whole. not to mention, the fact that frontlines is in roulettes means that many players are just playing for the rewards and not even trying, and why should they? they get the rewards whether they win or lose so it doesn't matter if they try or not. I think removing frontlines from roulettes are even adding another game mode into roulettes would at least be a step in the right direction.

I don't like when people say ff14 pvp is bad without even trying it, but you cant really blame them when its pretty much impossible to get into any of the other game modes without joining a discord server to find a party.

they added a frontlines roulette because it was dead otherwise. That's why people want roulettes for Rival Wings too because outside of mogtome events or specially community driven initiatives RW is also dead.

Frontlines is alive because it's in a roulette... It's not "unhealthy" or such nonsense, the devs simply push no incentives for other modes.

there are people that want to pvp. if you remove frontlines from the game the other game modes will still be played. OBVIOUSLY, there are other things that need to change but trying to keep frontlines alive is only hurting the game.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Gavv

there are people that want to pvp. if you remove frontlines from the game the other game modes will still be played. OBVIOUSLY, there are other things that need to change but trying to keep frontlines alive is only hurting the game.

---

Very very wrong, otherwise we'd at least see some rival wings, but it's not the case, even when waiting for 30min+. If anything you might want to complain about the roulette being frontlines only. The game mode has nothing to do.

they just need to make it a pvp roulette and include rival wings too. then cut frontlines to 48 players, 72 is already too much for those tiny maps.

I really like the idea of an 48 Player Frontlines.

And yes, having inactive players or players that even work against your team by feeding on purpose is bad for the mode.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Teno

Frontlines is alive because it's in a roulette...

---

Frontlines had decent pop rate before roulette and xp was added. It was just at set time of day. That was also with the "lore" locked GC's. Was it nearly as popular now, no not even close. But it wasn't exactly dead.



I think people over estimate rival wings. When it was only mog tome pvp and was popping instantly. I just didn't do it. I don't enjoy the mode at all. If it had some spectacular reward, like similar to epic alex. I would suffer through it. I think of rival wings like MSQ even when the reward is too good to pass up it is a pass anyways.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Moonlite

Frontlines had decent pop rate before roulette and xp was added. It was just at set time of day. That was also with the "lore" locked GC's. Was it nearly as popular now, no not even close. But it wasn't exactly dead.



I think people over estimate rival wings. When it was only mog tome pvp and was popping instantly. I just didn't do it. I don't enjoy the mode at all. If it had some spectacular reward, like similar to epic alex. I would suffer through it. I think of rival wings like MSQ even when the reward is too good to pass up it is a pass anyways.

---

Rival Wings instantaly popped for maybe a few days, and then nothing, even with the event going on I couldn't get into a single one on Chaos.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Teno

Rival Wings instantaly popped for maybe a few days, and then nothing, even with the event going on I couldn't get into a single one on Chaos.

---

See even mogtomes don't get people to play and it is top 3 fastest to farm. Putting it into roulette could risk confusing (more then they already are) players and alienating some casuals. Short of ground breaking item it will always be a pass for me.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Teno

Frontlines is alive because it's in a roulette... It's not "unhealthy" or such nonsense, the devs simply push no incentives for other modes.

---

Frontline does not need roulette to survive, but Rival Wing certainly can't survive even with Moogle Charm event.

The two biggest factors, in my opinion, when trying to look at the Frontline participation numbers in comparison with Rival Wings and Feast can be boiled down to desire to PVP, and PVP difficulty. First, and foremost, MOST people who play this game do not care about PVP, having nothing to do with the game modes. The majority of players who gravitate to this game, from hardcore raiders, story only enjoyers, Limsa RPers, do NOT care about PVP. That's just how it is. If you look at the game in it's entirety and to what player the game mostly caters to, that being the solo casual player, PVP usually falls off that players radar despite the modes themselves. Second is PVP difficulty. Now this might get a laugh because of course it really isn't that hard, but it's much more difficult than a simple dungeon run because there are consequences. Take the random casual player, they kinda know their PVE rotation, queue into a dungeon, preform mediocre damage, die once or twice to mechanics, but at the end clear the dungeon. Take that same player and drop them into frontlines. If they aren't aware, they die. If they tunnel, they die. If they are a stick in the mud to their team, they play a factor in their team losing. And that's just for Frontlines, which is the easiest mode out there. Most people still have no idea what to do in Rival Wings despite the information out there. You take the awareness needed in Frontlines and add in a MOBA mix to it and people are even more turned away. Plus you have people(myself included) that don't really enjoy the "meching up" mechanic and prefer to just run around on foot. Finally you have Feast, which stands as the hardest, as there is an entire ruleset on how to play the game not shown in game, and while you can be mediocre and still have your team carry in FL or RW, in Feast you will get stomped.

These things lead to the modes being unpopular by the majority of the player base, but there really isn't too much you can do in this game to change it. It's almost near impossible to make PVP easier(we'll see if Crystal Conflict can lower the bar even more), the game modes are as simple as they get, they cut down the actions per job to make it even more simplified, but you can't cut away the level of awareness or the fact that a better team will just beat you. Could they advertise it better? Yes. Could they provide more PVP related information? Yes. Will PVP ever sit at the foremost of popularity amongst FFXIV players? Not likely. All SE can really do is try to make PVP as fun as possible for those who actually enjoy PVP, rather than force more players in that would never touch it in the first place.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Divinemights

Frontline does not need roulette to survive, but Rival Wing certainly can't survive even with Moogle Charm event.

---

Because rival wings might not be the most efficient way to get these tomestones (and the mode is more confusing than frontlines to some people), and people who do pvp might not even care about tomestones rewards to begin with. I'm convinced XP would be a bigger incentive.