Tank Questions

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01-28-2022, 04:44 PM
Marxel

Tank Questions

Hi all. Starting this off saying I don't main tank. Mained WHM from ARR to mid-ShB, finished ShB w/BLM and RDM and ran through EW with RDM and RPR. I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone and put a tank in my list of main jobs.

PLD and GNB are at 80 with WAR in the 30's and DRK somewhere in the 60's. I still don't intend to main Tank but I'd like one to dedicate time to. I don't care about its damage, I really just want a job that's beefy and easy for more casual play. From my understanding: DRK is kinda squishy but high damage, GNB is pretty self-supportive with both heals and some mitigation, WAR is pure healing and PLD focuses more on mitigating/blocking.

I know all jobs are viable - but from tank mains, which of these is the hardest to kill in, say, dungeons? Which is easiest for someone whose dipping their toes in tanking?
01-28-2022, 05:05 PM
Undeadfire

Warrior, if you wanna be the healer and Tank at the same time in dungeons, and it's the easiest to play because it's main source of damage is 1 Button spam, using a 2nd/3rd boosts, with a couple O-GCDs. Warrior has been king of dungeons since the introduction of Nascent Flash, and still is.

Dark Knight, requires skill if you wanna survive dungeons, I wouldn't recommend for new players. Playing the job, you need to master double weaving without slowing your Global Cooldowns, weaving as in off-global cooldowns. Off Global cooldowns operate on timed cooldowns, global cooldowns are the 2s+ delay attacks and combos you build upon. It's a job that's basically a 50 Cal LMG, so much power, a pain to reload.

Gunbreaker is a combo tank, meaning you will be single/double weaving a lot, less skill required to play, the whole plan for the tank is using everything in it's No Mercy window before the buff falls off.

Paladin is easy to play, but at the same time high skill ceiling for optimising the job, you must follow a rotation order, in order to play the job well. Paladin is really strong in dungeons after reaching 90 after the blades boost, it's Blade of Valor DOT tears trash mobs apart.
01-28-2022, 05:06 PM
VeolE

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Originally Posted by Marxel

Hi all. Starting this off saying I don't main tank. Mained WHM from ARR to mid-ShB, finished ShB w/BLM and RDM and ran through EW with RDM and RPR. I'm trying to get out of my comfort zone and put a tank in my list of main jobs.

PLD and GNB are at 80 with WAR in the 30's and DRK somewhere in the 60's. I still don't intend to main Tank but I'd like one to dedicate time to. I don't care about its damage, I really just want a job that's beefy and easy for more casual play. From my understanding: DRK is kinda squishy but high damage, GNB is pretty self-supportive with both heals and some mitigation, WAR is pure healing and PLD focuses more on mitigating/blocking.

I know all jobs are viable - but from tank mains, which of these is the hardest to kill in, say, dungeons? Which is easiest for someone whose dipping their toes in tanking?

Literally WAR...

That is all.
01-28-2022, 08:06 PM
einschwartz

I prefer non-main jobs that are simple to play as well.
WAR is definitely one of it.
01-29-2022, 08:27 AM
Saimeren

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Originally Posted by VeolE

Literally WAR...

That is all.

Sure, if you want FotM jobs that could be nerfed tomorrow.
01-29-2022, 09:57 AM
Atreides

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Originally Posted by Saimeren

Sure, if you want FotM jobs that could be nerfed tomorrow.

This is not blizzard. SE does not do such drastic nerfs, WAR didn't worry in Shadowbringers when their heal was also strong enough to heal through dungeons easily and they don't worry about nerfs now since in raids WAR is perfectly balanced.
01-29-2022, 04:02 PM
RyuDragnier

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Originally Posted by Atreides

This is not blizzard. SE does not do such drastic nerfs, WAR didn't worry in Shadowbringers when their heal was also strong enough to heal through dungeons easily and they don't worry about nerfs now since in raids WAR is perfectly balanced.

Which is why a nerf to Bloodwhetting's healing wouldn't do a thing to it in raids, you got 2 healers to help you there.
01-30-2022, 03:11 AM
Veranolth

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is why a nerf to Bloodwhetting's healing wouldn't do a thing to it in raids, you got 2 healers to help you there.

^

On top of having Equilibrium which isn't that bad of a self-heal on its own.
02-04-2022, 04:40 PM
Marxel

Thank you all for the suggestions! Out of curiosity I picked DRK up again (was in the upper 60s before and is now 72). TBN makes dungeons much more fun! Timing it with enemy attacks and being more active in my defense is more fun than I expected - and I love the DRK story. I do wish it had some more self sustain but hey maybe 6.1.
02-07-2022, 01:35 AM
Absimiliard

DRK can be a lot of fun, but that changes very quickly if you get a healer that only knows their Holy and Glare buttons exist.
02-07-2022, 12:03 PM
Hysorn

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

DRK can be a lot of fun, but that changes very quickly if you get a healer that only knows their Holy and Glare buttons exist.

Oh man, I was running the first Endwalker dungeon to level up my DRK and wow, it's awful having to rely on a healer, not gonna lie, had a Sage that REALLY struggled to keep my alive, while on my PLD all of the dungeons were a breeze, even if the healer wasn't the best around.
02-07-2022, 03:24 PM
Marxel

Yeah I keep flip flopping between DRK and PLD. I have PLD at 80 and DRK at 75. PLD’s play style is just kinda boring to me but I do feel very fragile as a DRK having to rely on the healer. Maybe give Blood Weapon a lifesteal effect after you use it? I really want DRK to be good.
02-08-2022, 01:07 AM
VeolE

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Originally Posted by Marxel

I really want DRK to be good.

Trust me my man... I think we all do at this point.
02-09-2022, 02:50 AM
Alzinor

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Which is why a nerf to Bloodwhetting's healing wouldn't do a thing to it in raids, you got 2 healers to help you there.

why nerf a balanced spell in raid ?
02-09-2022, 05:17 AM
RyuDragnier

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Originally Posted by Alzinor

why nerf a balanced spell in raid ?

I don't know, why DID they nerf Abyssal Drain?
02-09-2022, 06:07 AM
Undeadfire

RI/Bloodwhetting is fine in raids, it's broken in dungeons.

Change it to GCD cast instead of target hit, job fixed and balanced out more.
02-09-2022, 07:16 AM
Absimiliard

Why nerf an ability simply because it's strong in irrelevant content?
02-09-2022, 10:53 PM
Sqwall

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Originally Posted by Atreides

This is not blizzard. SE does not do such drastic nerfs, WAR didn't worry in Shadowbringers when their heal was also strong enough to heal through dungeons easily and they don't worry about nerfs now since in raids WAR is perfectly balanced.

I completely agree with this. WAR is pretty much smack dab in the middle with the other tanks in a savage setting. I think the two things the healers I run with say are. Warrior + tank busters = less stress. Our sustain is just to dang good with, Thrill, Equal, Bloodwhetting, Nascent (when shared or split busters in P3S), and the crème de la crème...Holmgang. The best part of P2S is that I can literally LAUGH at the shared tank buster 3 TIMES in the whole fight with holmgang.

And two....I feel warrior is a very versatile tank next to maybe paladin. I don't know how many times I saved a run with shake it off. The final downflow + Coherence...throw out shake it off and it gives the healers a little more peace of mind. Or tossed Nascent on a healer to keep them alive to then use LB3 when the crap hit's the fan.

I could gush about warrior all day! It's the easiest tank to play, has good damage, self sufficient, strong mitigation, and it's pretty rewarding.

Warrior suits me perfectly I suppose.
02-14-2022, 07:02 AM
Alzinor

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

I don't know, why DID they nerf Abyssal Drain?

Maybe because it was deserved ? I'm not into dev mind, but if you think nerf AD was a mistake, then do not act like them asking for another unecessary nerf.