Why is 9 (+12) lower than 8 (+24) and actually more valuable?
The hell am I missing?
Materia VIII vs IX
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01-20-2022, 04:11 PMyajnajiMateria VIII vs IX
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01-20-2022, 04:17 PMSDaemonPentamelding purposesQuote:
Originally Posted by yajnaji
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01-20-2022, 04:28 PMNezerius
Grade IX, like its ShB equivalent (VII), is the materia that can be used for any overmeld slots.
Grade VIII, like it's EW equivalent (X), can't be melded past the first overmeld slot. -
01-20-2022, 04:36 PMyajnaji
okay I only meld through npc's so didn't know that.
Thank you. -
01-20-2022, 05:10 PMFloortank
You will notice a similar pattern if you compare the 7s to the 6s.
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01-20-2022, 05:30 PMyajnajiYes, in the meantime I went back and check on older materia I have on retainers... I just didn't remember it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floortank
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01-20-2022, 05:48 PMHysterior
Yeah... not the best naming pattern...
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01-21-2022, 01:08 AMAlexandre_NoireauOr you could, like, you know... Read the item description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
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01-21-2022, 02:09 AMSDaemonDoesn't change that the naming pattern is odd....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau
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01-21-2022, 08:51 AMBloudmourne
Can't wait for Materia Grade 10-2, 11, 13, 13-Type 0, 13-2, 13-3 etc.
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01-21-2022, 08:56 AMRongwayQuote:
Originally Posted by Hysterior
The numbering is fine. The melding priority within a single stat is numerical in descending order:Quote:
Originally Posted by SDaemon
Doesn't change that the naming pattern is odd....Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau
X > IX > VIII > VII > VI > V
Because if you want to put Xs on something you put Xs on it until you can't; then you put IXs on it. If you can't put Xs on it at all, you also cannot put IXs on it at all, so you put VIIIs on it until you can't put VIIIs on it, then you put VIIs on it. -
01-21-2022, 10:40 AMAzuriAlas, this is how you end up with newbies who find Xs a bit pricey with IXs in guaranteed slots. Your priority simply doesn't work. VII/VIII and IX/X is an unfortunate system considering I - VI are all direct upgrades from each other. We really should have had VII (Large) and VII (Small) or something similar in ShB.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rongway
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01-21-2022, 10:56 AMFloortankhttps://i.imgur.com/58e6TWm.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Alexandre_Noireau
Yeah man, read the item description. It totally would have answered your question. -
01-22-2022, 01:05 PMNihility
kind of wish they just changed 6/8/10 to like... "Greater Materia" or some such to highlight the difference a bit better.
I understand why they made the change but would have been a nice touch for people unfamiliar with overmelding -
01-22-2022, 11:02 PMAlexandre_NoireauSo smart aren't we? how about you read the OTHER materia too? Might find a line or two on the item description.Quote:
Originally Posted by Floortank
It's pretty clear how each materia can be used after that.
And naming pattern is perfect. Not confusing at all... For people who reads. -
01-22-2022, 11:12 PMPayadopaI read both discriptions but I still didn't get it. But then again I only use the meld NPC. Does the game actually tell you about overmelding? I still have no idea how that works. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Floortank
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01-22-2022, 11:21 PMAvidriaI actually don't remember if the game tells you about it, but I'm also pretty sure the quest to unlock it is in the same place as the quest that teaches you how to extract and meld in the first place. It's been like... years since I did those but I'm pretty sure at least the first one is part of the MSQ, or required for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
The only thing the item descriptions actually tell you is that even numbered materia can't be used for overmelding past the first slot. Which I suppose probably doesn't help much if you don't know what an "advanced melding materia slot" is. I'm assuming there's gotta be a quest somewhere, but I'm also pretty sure I ended up just reading guides or having a friend tell me that "you can put 3 of the best materia in crafted pieces and then have to go down to the next highest odd numbered materia for the 4th and 5th slot." Some of it will show you that when you go to meld, cause it just straight up won't let you put in more than 3 10s for example, but you also won't see that at all if you don't have a crafter leveled to the point where you can actually do that yourself anyway.
I feel like more clarity in how they work probably wouldn't hurt, like adding a note to the odd numbered ones that explicitly says "can be used to fill advanced melding materia slots" or something, but I also just don't remember when/where/if the game explains how this works to non-crafters lol -
01-22-2022, 11:23 PMRongwayJust the very basics:Quote:
Originally Posted by Payadopa
/activehelp
Search: meld
Advanced Materia Melding
In more detail than the game gives you:
Any equipment that ...
(1) has at least one materia slot
and (2) does not say "Advanced Melding Forbidden"
... actually has five materia slots regardless of how many are visible.
The green visible slots are 100% success slots and an NPC can fill those. The invisible red slots can be filled by any player who has any one crafter job at least as high as the equip level of the gear. It used to require specifically the crafter that makes and repairs the gear, but they changed it during ShB to allow all crafters to meld to any gear, so any crafter that is high enough will do. These slots are not 100%, so you will break many materia while working on overmelds. The X, VIII, and VI materias can only go in green slots and the first red slot. The IX, VII, and V materias can go in the remaining red slots.
Most blue gear has "Advanced Melding Forbidden". This is listed below the equip level, in the same part of the Item Help that names the gear's current dye color. -
01-22-2022, 11:27 PMPayadopa
Ah. That's very informative. Cheers! I should work on my crafters I guess. lol