Wait... there are reskins of the freaking ZODIAC WEAPONS?!?

I'm several years too late on this, I'm sure, but having recently acquired and finished my first Zodiac weapon (Excalibur & Aegis), I was honestly stunned today when I joined a group, and saw a guy wielding the same weapon -- except it was simply a green item.

I'm personally hoping to finish one of each expansion's Relic weapons, if only to experience more of the story. But I'm not gonna lie, knowing there could well be easy-to-access reskins of any of those weapons... that kills a lot of the excitement, and feeling of these weapons being "special".

I've heard people complain about reskins and recolors before, but that's the first instance I'd encountered where I genuinely felt like something I'd earned was suddenly *less cool*, because such an easy-to-access version exists.

They are colored differently and they do not glow. There's not really any competition there. The originals with or without their glows are better.

Nothing is sacred in this game. They just made a coveted PVP set the new crafted gear, usually only people who chose to suffer trough pvp had it, now everyone has it and it's not as special anymore. Just be ready for them to make a important boss a normal mob, a rare item become a common worthless item (like the tons of minions that are have essentially zero value now because of the loot boxes) and stuff like that. It's how they operate.


I remember when I started playing, the minion morpho was the most expensive item on the marketboard, worth tens of millions. It was an aspiration of mine to one day have it. Now it's worthless, less than 1.000 gil.

I promise you the actual Zodiac weapons are leagues prettier than these reskins. These reskins don't glow and the real ones do. This is coming from me finishing BRD relic recently and it's glow is gorgeous. Same with SCH and WHM.

But the ARR relic is a literal nightmare (mainly books). And the light farm is headache-indcuing. But the weapon outcome makes for a great glam.

What's the name of the reskins?

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Originally Posted by GrizzlyTank

What's the name of the reskins?

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Nightsteel for DoW and Black Willow for DoM (examples below)

https://i.imgur.com/ZmPaozX.png

The glow makes the zodiac weapons unique and beautiful, without them the models range from lackluster to alright. I have the nirvana zeta and let me tell you, the lvl 70 reskin does not look anywhere close as good. The warrior and blackmage reskins look fairly good but nowhere close to the real deal.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Nothing is sacred in this game. They just made a coveted PVP set the new crafted gear, usually only people who chose to suffer trough pvp had it, now everyone has it and it's not as special anymore. Just be ready for them to make a important boss a normal mob, a rare item become a common worthless item (like the tons of minions that are have essentially zero value now because of the loot boxes) and stuff like that. It's how they operate.


I remember when I started playing, the minion morpho was the most expensive item on the marketboard, worth tens of millions. It was an aspiration of mine to one day have it. Now it's worthless, less than 1.000 gil.

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Yea sure buddy, I suffered so much for my daily frontline when you get massive rewards (including exp) even for doing literally nothing. Or when the latest moogle tome hunt is making hidden gorge the best casual tome farm. I dont even know what I should do with all my wolf marks and that's just from daily frontline.
Why did you want a minion when you quite obviously hate how it looks?

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Nothing is sacred in this game. They just made a coveted PVP set the new crafted gear, usually only people who chose to suffer trough pvp had it, now everyone has it and it's not as special anymore. Just be ready for them to make a important boss a normal mob, a rare item become a common worthless item (like the tons of minions that are have essentially zero value now because of the loot boxes) and stuff like that. It's how they operate.


I remember when I started playing, the minion morpho was the most expensive item on the marketboard, worth tens of millions. It was an aspiration of mine to one day have it. Now it's worthless, less than 1.000 gil.

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"Coveted"? Really? It's a wolfmark set that's bern out for years. You can get it within like a week by doing the pvp roulette each day. It's not like they made a pvp champion set a crafted set.

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They just made a coveted PVP set the new crafted gear, usually only people who chose to suffer trough pvp had it, now everyone has it and it's not as special anymore.

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Woot? I've been sitting on 20k/20k wolf mark for months now 'cause I do a PvP roullete a day, for "leveling" 'cause it's one of the best EXP source. The PvP gears are as special as a random dungeon drop that I trade for GC seal.

I managed to get the Makai Master title back in the Garo event and I hate PVP.

The gear isn't like the Feast mounts where you actually have to be good at PVP. You just need to do it, and do your best not to drag down your team, and win or lose, you get stuff.

That said, I finished ALL OF THE ZODIAC WEAPONS TO ZETA. ALL OF THEM. ALL OF THEM.

And I really could not give two whits about their non glowy versions being available as green reskins.

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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I think it's perfectly fine. That said, I wish they would have chosen something better to use (in my opinion) that wasn't that particular set. Roman/greek themed sets are neat and all, but they don't exactly fit Gunbreaker. lol If you really want something to work toward, then the upcoming PvP changes will probably be more your thing. Wolf Mark sets have never been that special.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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I think it's fine – it gives people different paths to acquiring the same glamour... which in any case is not the same glamour, just similar. Colours are different, textures are different, dyes affect different parts of the outfit. People will still want the PVP version if that works better for the look they want to achieve.

And you can equip them at level 1 instead of having to get all the way to 90, which means the PVP versions are still valuable for the majority of the game.

If anything, I'd like them to take the new weapons they've designed for the crafted versions and add them back into PVP as level 1 glamours like the outfits. Preferably a version without the glow that gets added when you go into battle stance, so people have a choice over it.

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Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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sure

if you want exclusive gear, do savage raids or ultimates

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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No I don’t think it’s fine, and people saying it’s better because it gives people the options to acquire the same glamour are not focusing on the bigger picture and the opportunity cost of that statement. For every repeat gear we see in game we just lost the opportunity to witness unique and awesome creations in the name of laziness.

This is like giving a player the same food everyday at a cafeteria with a subscription because the cook doesn’t want to bother with new recipes.

Getting a re-used set is a huge loss for the player base every time it happens.

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No I don’t think it’s fine, and people saying it’s better because it gives people the options to acquire the same glamour are not focusing on the bigger picture and the opportunity cost of that statement. For every repeat gear we see in game we just lost the opportunity to witness unique and awesome creations in the name of laziness.

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To a degree, yes. But it's also likely that they don't have the budget to produce a whole set of new designs for every set of gear they need to produce at a gameplay level.

Overall, Endwalker certainly had too many recycled sets, though I suspect COVID and the ever-increasing number of exclusive job sets are cutting into that.

Still, that's irrelevant to the immediate complaint that, given that recycled sets are a thing, reusing this particular PVP set as a non-PVP set is somehow devaluing the original.

Some of y'all would lose your minds if you realized how much from FFXI XIV uses. As recently as a a EW added skill for a particular job. Which personally I don't mind one bit, I just wish the more cool and badass looking spell effects from XI made their way to XIV if anything if only to see them in HD lol.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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I think its ok since they updated the texture
the pvp set looks like some cheap costume you get
while lvl 80 crafted set actually look like it has armor on it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...comparison.png

generally i hate recolor when they are made worse like Mhach gear to Facet gear
but wolf marks are really not hard to get anyway

I also took some texture comparison pictures of the gear previously:

Comparing the Republican and Classical Medicus set (specifically the chiton, wrist torque and caligae).
The chiton is dyed Snow White and the caligae Metallic Brass in both examples.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...on_-_front.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...ison_-_arm.jpg

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...son_-_back.jpg

In this case it was a glamour I'd already made with the old version of the set and, as much as the updated textures look nice, the dye pattern and white feathers of the original work better for the outfit.

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Some of y'all would lose your minds if you realized how much from FFXI XIV uses.

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XII as well. Be it monster models, character "skeletons" (I'm pretty sure the PLD running animation is just Vaan's one-handed sword run cycle from XII...) and I'm sure lots of other things

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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Yep, so much work for queueing up for your daily frontline, run around like a headless chicken and get the rewards all the same.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

sure

if you want exclusive gear, do savage raids or ultimates

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Your argument is meaningless and flawed. They already made the coils of bahamut armor into a crafted set. Your eden gear is not safe from that treatment in the future.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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It's a different color set than what the PvP gear has. While they have the same model, they aren't identical. I was actually really excited because I love the caster head and gloves, but the colors didn't really work well mixed with other sets (even dyed). The crafted caster set has colors and dyability that work better for me.

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Your argument is meaningless and flawed. They already made the coils of bahamut armor into a crafted set. Your eden gear is not safe from that treatment in the future.

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And they never did that again. Also, this was years and years ago at this point in early Heavensward. So...yeah. Instead, they started locking the dyeable versions of normal/Savage raid gear behind Savage raiding at the start of Alexander and continue to do so to this day, some of which have unique design additions that their normal mode counterparts don't have.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Ok, ok, shit on me all you like all of you with tons of wolf marks, but do you really think it's ok to make a pvp set a crafted item? Let people have something to work towards! Not everyone starts with 20k wolf marks, you know!

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??
lol it takes like 5 frontlines to get a full set
i really don't get this complaint man, i hate reskins as much as the next guy but you're barking up the wrong tree w/ this one

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Originally Posted by Starshower

They just made a coveted PVP set the new crafted gear

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me spending all my marks at once to trade in the extra special sugoi coveted gear to maelstrom hq for like 5k seals

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Your argument is meaningless and flawed. They already made the coils of bahamut armor into a crafted set. Your eden gear is not safe from that treatment in the future.

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Oh you mean when they didnt have a solid structure how to do raids, proven by the fact that savage versions only exist of the second tier? And what do you mean with safe in general? I can just unsync alex savage now with a bunch of idiots like me and faceroll everything. You act like savage gear doesnt already lose that kind of meaning you want it to have.

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I'm several years too late on this, I'm sure, but having recently acquired and finished my first Zodiac weapon (Excalibur & Aegis), I was honestly stunned today when I joined a group, and saw a guy wielding the same weapon -- except it was simply a green item.

I'm personally hoping to finish one of each expansion's Relic weapons, if only to experience more of the story. But I'm not gonna lie, knowing there could well be easy-to-access reskins of any of those weapons... that kills a lot of the excitement, and feeling of these weapons being "special".

I've heard people complain about reskins and recolors before, but that's the first instance I'd encountered where I genuinely felt like something I'd earned was suddenly *less cool*, because such an easy-to-access version exists.

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*Gasp* OMG! You are right!

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Oh you mean when they didnt have a solid structure how to do raids, proven by the fact that savage versions only exist of the second tier? And what do you mean with safe in general? I can just unsync alex savage now with a bunch of idiots like me and faceroll everything. You act like savage gear doesnt already lose that kind of meaning you want it to have.

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Even most of Stormblood's Savage raid gear is easy to get now. Just gotta do a dance or two to get through a couple mechanics (if any at all). Alphascape 4.0 is still a bit painful though, but mostly in the first half. The "Goodbye World" strategy in the 2nd half is both efficient and entertaining. lol

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Originally Posted by Ath192

This is like giving a player the same food everyday at a cafeteria with a subscription because the cook doesn’t want to bother with new recipes.

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More accurately the cook doesn't have the time and resources to make you a bunch of new recipes every day, so rather than letting you go hungry they give you pizza square v5.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Just be ready for them to make a important boss a normal mob, a rare item become a common worthless item (like the tons of minions that are have essentially zero value now because of the loot boxes) and stuff like that. It's how they operate.


I remember when I started playing, the minion morpho was the most expensive item on the marketboard, worth tens of millions. It was an aspiration of mine to one day have it. Now it's worthless, less than 1.000 gil.

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I REALLY feel that pain... those boxes and all the trashed loot were such huge mistakes...