The recent news post on Lodestone gave some updates on the state of the datacenter travel system. Of interest to me was this line:
Most people I see discussing this seem to believe the reason cross-region travel is being held back is because of the JP datacenters. The belief is that JP players don't want foreign players to interfere with their community culture after hearing that JP datacenters get everything done easily, or otherwise just don't want to deal with players who don't speak the language.Quote:
As I previously mentioned in a Live Letter, while the system has been designed to allow cross-region travel, we'll be limiting it to travel between logical data centers within a physical data center at first due in part to differences in game economy and values. We’ll be paying keen attention to the opinions of players as we consider whether or not to introduce cross-region travel in the future.
Putting aside whether or not these reasons are true, I can at least understand wanting to be able to communicate with other players especially in a cooperative game which requires a high level of coordination in difficult content.
However as for my opinion on cross-region travel, I'd say that it would be a bit cruel to hold that feature back for everyone because of the opinions of one region. In particular, not allowing travel between the NA and OCE datacenters makes transferring to Materia a much harder decision for OCE players, which will be an important factor in deciding the viability of the OCE datacenter. Even if JP remains isolated, I feel that at least travel between the other regions should be allowed.
I invite other people to share their opinion on the matter of cross-region travel but I request that commenters refrain from making accusatory remarks on the disposition of Japanese players towards other regions. It's not productive and only hurts the case for allowing cross-region travel.
Regarding cross-region datacenter travel
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01-17-2022, 10:43 AMPangTongRegarding cross-region datacenter travel
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01-17-2022, 11:29 AMJeeqbit
Cross-travel between NA and EU would help pings because people from EU are sometimes playing with friends in NA or people from NA are sometimes playing with EU friends. The same is going to be true for OCE and every other region because of OCE having not had servers for so long.
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01-17-2022, 12:31 PMShibi
As an OCE player I am torn, I was at first all for opening up, but each day now I am moving more and more towards no.
It would, of course, be nice to allow cross DC travel as I wouldn't need to do any work to build a new "life", but on the other hand it would overwhelm the new servers with a flood of products, gilcaps of inflation, and transient dungeon runners whilst having no permanent population at all, outside of these day-trippers. The new servers would be at the mercy of wanderers, and be without any local community, and without the region's own "values" being formed.
Maybe it is better to let the server grow slowly with transferred alts and new characters until they are all well established.
However, around housing and marketboard, there are times I've even wondered if it's best to head the other way and consider chopping transfers by NA and EU resident players for just a few months on top, leaving it to just people with oceanic addresses on file to settle in first. After all, playing active content with the lag is not a pleasant experience, so they won't be permanent players, but rather housing collectors and market speculators.
Once the housing is opened and local people have levelled up new characters a bit, then open it to transfers. Saying this, I welcome people from anywhere to start from level 1, just not bring over their omnicrafter (with single healer job) characters with gilcaps of gil on top to buy up all the LB11's. -
01-17-2022, 12:36 PMMyranySo you wouldn't want me to bring over my lvl 60 BLM that I rolled on Kujata to play with my Aussie friend? SO basically I can rot on Kujata when my friend moves until some arbitrary date when you deem its ok for a person with a NA address to come over thus missing the window for a free transfer and forcing a cash expenditure on my part. Not cool at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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01-17-2022, 12:43 PMShibiIs it hard to understand the phrase "there are times I've even wondered"?Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrany
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01-17-2022, 12:45 PMMyranyIs it hard to understand that I gave you a reason what you have at times wondered might not be a good idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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01-17-2022, 12:51 PMShibiSuch a temper. And I do thank you for that reason, however coming in so angry in your delivery wasn't great. I wasn't asking you to rot, I just don't know as I'd not thought much about it. My preface was making that clear, it didnt need you jumping down my throat to rip my intestines out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrany
Your reason is a valid one against the idle thought. It's not something I think of much and it's not I am sure of, and I am curious for other's rational ideas why it's a silly idea. -
01-17-2022, 01:07 PMMyranyYou didnt exactly come at me politely either. TY for the clarification.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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01-17-2022, 01:08 PMNafreyu
Speaking only about OCE for a moment, I feel the above is a great example for why we should be Siloed for a good 6 months.
Allow our communities to form and new connections to be made by bringing the best behaviours from EU, NA, JP while setting new standards for what we do and don't expect.
I do not want to the everyday argumentative NA BS that half my region have been exposed to on NA and think is normal to filter through on the new servers. Especially when the other half come from JP and do not have this. -
01-17-2022, 01:15 PMMyranyOn a day to day basis I doubt you would even notice me. I do my thing and pretty much don't talk to anyone but my friend. I don't want or own a house. I also rarely engage in the MB at least on the selling side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nafreyu
The exclusionary stuff does happen to tick me off to no end. Oh she's NA she shouldn't be allowed on our servers. -
01-17-2022, 01:54 PMTiggyWiggy
I'm honestly pretty sad. The OCE servers were announced in the middle of the raid tier. My static is pretty much going to disband because of the split between transferring and not transferring. And I'm losing half my friends list cause we're an aussie/nz + south east asia mix of people and I'm never gonna be able to play with them again unless I make an alt on the OCE servers. Endwalker truly was, the end of an era.
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01-17-2022, 02:14 PMPangTong
Whatever happens it doesn't seem like they would implement cross-region travel until sometime after DC travel is added (which is already currently scheduled for a 6.15 or some such), so I think there's plenty of time for players to transfer over and start forming a community. But personally I think the decision to transfer would be made easier for people if we knew that eventually we'd be able to visit other regions. Besides just visiting old friends, knowing that they have access to those larger communities and their events I think would abate some of the worries people have about transferring.
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01-18-2022, 07:06 AMTigerlilley
The decision to disallow cross region travel was the nail in the coffin for a lot of our raiding OCE community over here on NA. Why would we move? We can clear everything well as it is right now. We'd lose FC, workshops, fc points, housing, our NA community, friends, a populated raid scene.
There are too many cons that don't balance out the one pro - ping.
Edit: - probably a topic for a different day but, I do wish they had some sort of FC transfer system. The workshop unlocks and rebuilds and rng stuff is such a pain. -
01-18-2022, 07:36 AMShuuli
I am happy they reopen the World Transfer cause I live in EU now and want to move my account. But this makes me sad cause this will mean I will be cut off from my friends :(
I wanted to move to EU cause I am not part of a raid static and PF is cruel for EU times on NA servers...
Not to mention for all who wants to move to the new OCE servers, I would suggest to WAIT and do not transfer on the first day! Their page states if many people are using this service then it might take longer than expected (not defining how long) and as far as I heared it can be days. For this period you SHALL NOT enter until it is done. You would be cut off the game during raid content entry... that is no bueno.
Don't get mistaken, you CAN enter, but if you start playing during the transfer all your efforts/ gear and so on that you would get during transfer phase will disappear. So you would just waste energy.
I think they do want to encourage people to move as they made it free to move to non congested or new data centers. But they just dont understand that they are not creating enough pros for all the cons... -
01-18-2022, 08:14 AMKatie_Kitty
Japan needs to get over it and join us in the 21st century if they're truly that xenophobic. Personally, I doubt this has anything to do with that, though.
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01-18-2022, 11:06 AMSarevok_Thordin
The "walled garden" stuff has one major fallacy.
Anyone can transfer to JP or even make a new character there. -
01-18-2022, 11:18 AMTigerlilley
If this is the underlying reason that SE don't want cross region travel....
Then Japan needs to get over itself tbh. No one is staying on Tonberry for the "priviledge" of playing with the Japanese players. They're staying because it's been almost a decade now of community and friendships, achievements and so on. -
01-18-2022, 12:27 PMoeil
As OP said in their post, language and culture are probably the biggest reasons why JP players are super against having people from other DCs inter-mingle. I think sure we can argue that IRL, many people come from overseas to visit Japan and still have pleasant experiences and can communicate okay.
But we're also talking about a team-effort game. One where we need to properly communicate any mechanics, coordinate positions, etc.
We can't use IRL gestures to kinda get across what we're trying to say, all we have is typing. And translator programs aren't gonna cut it and are a "hassle".
It has especially flared up and you can read about it on reddit, etc... but there's a huge problem and fight right now between CN users coming to JP DCs.
We've always had "JP ONLY" PFs for savage and high-end content, but I think at it's come to a boiling point with ENDWALKER.
Also Shout and Say chats are generally not a thing that happen on JP DCs. There's a certain etiquette when doing those kind of things like for Mob Hunts, etc.
People tend to stay in their groups or their FCs, not all of them but a good majority. Of course there are Japanese people that also want to learn English too.
I think JP people don't really mind the overseas DCs to come and talk or chat, but I think raiding is a whole different story.
Just trying to give a perspective. -
01-20-2022, 02:51 AMIllmaeranI wouldn't be at all surprised if this were the case. It's extremely difficult to properly express how polar opposite Japanese public behavior expectations are from Western countries, particularly the US. They really are 180 degrees different in the most important ways; most *especially* gaming culture/behavior in public spaces on the internet. I'm an American who started playing XIV on a JP server in 2014, not long after I returned home from living in Japan, if that gives any credibility to what I just said.Quote:
Originally Posted by PangTong
The sentiment that JP players don't want non-Japanese on their servers is true to a greater extent. It's not ubiquitous, but it's certainly a thing. This stems from two reasons:
1. Extreme differences in expectations for public behavior.
2. Language differences making communication difficult, if not impossible, in many cases.
THIS ^^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Nafreyu
Personal Opinion Incoming: I intentionally chose to play on a JP server in large part because of the increasing prevalence and acceptance of behaviors I find disagreeable in US-based MMOs. I 100% absolutely, unconditionally, do not want the doors opened to let those behaviors find their way to the place I went to get away from them.
I believe JP data centers should be closed to cross-region DC travel. Letting NA, EU, and OCE be cross-linked is a good idea as long as OCE is 100% economically closed off from the rest of the world until its economy has been firmly established. No purchasing anything by people from other regions/data centers Going from Crystal to Materia to raid with your friends is one thing. Going on a shopping spree and keeping the emerging economy in a state of flux due to massive differences in wealth is not.Quote:
Originally Posted by PangTong
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01-20-2022, 05:25 AMLunalepsy
I'll pay a visit one of these days.
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01-20-2022, 05:35 AMIllmaeranIf you do, I'd suggest going to a data center other than Elemental as those are majority Japanese are so you can get the full experience. If you do go to Elemental, avoid Tonberry as that's essentially an OCE/SEA world with some Japanese people thrown in for good measure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lunalepsy
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03-05-2023, 08:27 AMboopadoop
is this a thing that they're hoping to do? let us travel across regions? i would like to visit EU friends with my home server being on NA but i haven't been able to find much in regards to if that's still an interest they might work on unless i'm just bad at searching
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03-05-2023, 10:51 AMMyranyMy reply here is purely from memory so please take with many grains of salt. As I remember it there was talk of putting just that into the game but enough of the players on Japanese servers revolted on it the whole thing was rather quietly shelved.Quote:
Originally Posted by boopadoop
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03-05-2023, 01:53 PMboopadoopnooo ;__; say it isn't so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Myrany
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03-06-2023, 01:36 PMkevin_satron
OCE will be even more dead when OCE players can visit NA or EU to do content because everyone in OCE is thinking the same thing
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03-06-2023, 03:47 PMZaniel
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LMAO, the irony of this post in a thread designed to solicit DC travel to the JP DCs. The point will be lost I'm sure ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Tigerlilley
EDIT: On an additional note, they DID make a slight error in the calculations for the OCE datacentres. We really don't have the sustained population for 5 servers here, 4 would have been ideal and Zurvan should be merged with Bismark. Zurvan is an actual dead DC.