Alt Job Leveling. Not a fan.

With all the love and effort they put into MSQ, I wish they would let us replay some or all of it with xp to level up alt combat jobs.

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

Seems like a confusing waste of time, imo.

I would love to re-do the MSQ a few more times and really enjoy the brilliant storytelling, and be able to use that time to work on alt jobs.

What do you think?

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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Originally Posted by jwilliam87

With all the love and effort they put into MSQ, I wish they would let us replay some or all of it with xp to level up alt combat jobs.

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

Seems like a confusing waste of time, imo.

I would love to re-do the MSQ a few more times and really enjoy the brilliant storytelling, and be able to use that time to work on alt jobs.

What do you think?

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They do allow you to do that. New Game+ is a thing.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

They do allow you to do that. New Game+ is a thing.

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I specifically said "with xp"

I am aware that New Game exists.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

They do allow you to do that. New Game+ is a thing.

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Doesn't give XP as far as I am aware.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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Yep, even if they have the same exp as a fate in the zone.

New Game+ doesn't give rewards.

I agree, I wish there was a better array of level-up options, especially pre-50 when all the dungeons suck and your rotation is like 1-2 buttons. Unfortunately it's in Square's best interests to keep dungeon and roulette-bashing as the most efficient way to level up, because if the queues for content get long this game is in trouble.

Honestly, I would be happy if they made older xpacs fates worth doing, nothing feels worst than wasting 5 minutes clearing a boring fate that no one does only to get neglectable exp or having the queue pop before you can finish it.

Like, damn, I enjoying dungeons from time to time, but leveling through them is so bad, especially when you are leveling a DPS. Wait 11 minutes in queue while sitting in your favorite hang out spot > have a chance to get an unexperienced tank that pulls pack by pack making the dungeon take twice as long, either way low level dungeons tend to be boring due to oversimplifed rotations > finish the dungeon > repeat. Prime example of MMO player's brain being able to endure the most monotonous of task.

Yeah... Leveling an alt is easily one of the most boring things to do in this game, at least it feels that way to me. Unfortunately I am bound by the curse of altoholism, it is what it is...

Usually the Beast Tribes give fantastic exp. Not sure when they plan to introduce EW's beasties.

Early in expansion the leveling options are more limited. Although one can ride Bozja to 90 as well.

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Originally Posted by Arazehl

Usually the Beast Tribes give fantastic exp. Not sure when they plan to introduce EW's beasties.

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If you mean by fantastic as in better than side quest exp then yeah but thats not a very hard considering the low bar.


At OP

Alt job exp , outside of MSQ and roadto80 buff


Healers/tanks spam at your lvl dungeons in DF


DPS , if you havnt begun palace of the dead , do so , spend a day maybe less getting to floor 50 and completing it , then spam partys for room 51+

I havnt done Bozja myself ( i cant bear farming the ranks to turn bozja into a great lvl up sone for 71+) but that's awesome i hear if you have access all areas and can get around fast and do the beefier fates.


all jobs side exp >hunts at your lvl/expanson , as well as exp scaling beast tribes for your expansion lvl range (queue for daily duties in between esp msq rouls)


Thats about it i think , unless anyone has some other great exp farm pls do share

Maybe if they doubled fate xp once you've finished the msq, I could see that being worth doing fates for alts.

I got mostly what I wanted leveled. After this I just do it to kill time really. Later in the expansion it should be made much easier. In ShB we did have a mount to help encourage leveling everything though.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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I wish they didn't crowd around the Aetheryte.

1-60 works well with squads. 60-71 though is terrible, wish they expanded squads to that level range.

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Originally Posted by Shironeko_Narunyan

1-60 works well with squads. 60-71 though is terrible, wish they expanded squads to that level range.

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20-60 (halatali lvl 20)

Agreed, GC squadrons especially if you have a "team" you have previously built up to rank 6 (offensive or balanced) running other jobs is crazy fast if you run as a healer or dps . Its rather painful to over pull even just with one extra pack as a tank because SE cant be bothered to program the conjurer ai correctly .


As for 60-71 PoTD and HoH plus HW beast tribes ,daily roulettes , but like GC squadrons you need to have built POTD up to get HoH and to get POTD into farm exp mode (room 51+ aetherpool 50/50+)

I really wish NG+ gave XP rewards. Take out the item/gil rewards if they're concerned about bots, but take pity on us and let us have the XP. It's a slog as it is, and I can't imagine the majority of people would spam it for all of their extra jobs.

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Originally Posted by Izar_Chillen

Its rather painful to over pull even just with one extra pack as a tank because SE cant be bothered to program the conjurer ai correctly

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The trick is to run 2 ACN as dps when you're tank. They heal when your HP drops below a certain threshold, and their Shadowflare melts packs insanely fast.

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Originally Posted by jwilliam87

With all the love and effort they put into MSQ, I wish they would let us replay some or all of it with xp to level up alt combat jobs.

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

Seems like a confusing waste of time, imo.

I would love to re-do the MSQ a few more times and really enjoy the brilliant storytelling, and be able to use that time to work on alt jobs.

What do you think?

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What stopping you from just roll a new character and redo the whole story? I mean ... that's how it is with most other MMO. This game offer something unique with its multi-job system, but it doesn't eliminate the classic experience.

FYI, I have 4 alts. And a new char these days can often level 2 jobs at the same time witht how much EXP the MSQ is giving.

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Originally Posted by Rhysati

They do allow you to do that. New Game+ is a thing.

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No reward and no Xp with NG+

It's just to redo the MSQ or job quests.

This feature was implemented because the log's inn and housing only allow to see part of the dialogues.
It was never implemented for Xp of alt jobs.

Do you want to go fast? Fate to level 81 and then dungeon. Not to mention the big Xp boost once a day via the leveling wheel.

Don't you like Fate and dungeons for your alt job? You have the secondary quests, but in limited quantity, soon will arrive the barbarian tributes.

In a smooth group, Bozja from 80 to 90 feels like the fastest way to 90 for a DPS.

1 - 50: It's fine.
50 - 60: It's fine.
60 - 70: It's a slog, HoH is mind-numbingly boring and it's a horrible step of the leveling process.
70 - 80: It's fine.
80 - 90: It's fine.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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Yeah, this would be a much better change. They already improved them slightly by syncing them to your current level, now if only they'd give a bit more xp...

Just dungeon bash. Save Alliance Roulette, MSQ roulette, and levelling roulette for level 88. Those three alone get you 88->90 if you get Praetorium.

I have every Job at 90 this way.

Yeah it'd be nice if sidequests felt more rewarding. There's already way less people doing fates from what I've seen, and I've never liked dungeon spamming in this game. So it's probably just gonna be a few months of occasional roulettes before I've got everything maxed again. Don't think I wanna drag myself into more than that lol

Might give Bozja a shot though if it's actually still a decent option. Still need some of those field notes...

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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I thought they said that they were gonna increase the xp earned from those...

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Originally Posted by Avidria

Yeah it'd be nice if sidequests felt more rewarding. There's already way less people doing fates from what I've seen, and I've never liked dungeon spamming in this game. So it's probably just gonna be a few months of occasional roulettes before I've got everything maxed again. Don't think I wanna drag myself into more than that lol

Might give Bozja a shot though if it's actually still a decent option. Still need some of those field notes...

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Yeah, it's very sad that outside fates are already dead. Most people maxed them in the first few days and didn't look back. Bozja on the other hand is always super crowded, and it's much faster levelling than normal fates, even past 80.

I wish they'd give us at least 1 beast tribe and the new deep dungeon before everybody's already done getting all classes to 90 though. I find it weird how late they come in.

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Originally Posted by jwilliam87

With all the love and effort they put into MSQ, I wish they would let us replay some or all of it with xp to level up alt combat jobs.

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

Seems like a confusing waste of time, imo.

I would love to re-do the MSQ a few more times and really enjoy the brilliant storytelling, and be able to use that time to work on alt jobs.

What do you think?

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i am fine going through the msq once, the whole point is to funnel people into roulettes/old content/duties so that they're not doing msq over and over again because it'd be the most efficient way (as they stated, they intended for msq exp to be enough to level one job). you think it's a waste of time? that's the whole point though, leveling is meant to be a process, but it takes like one or two days to get a job to 90 after the first job is 90, with armory bonus, fc actions, personal actions from squadrons along with food exp buff and trusts, there are many avenues to level and to make leveling take the least time possible.

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Originally Posted by Tlamila

Yeah, it's very sad that outside fates are already dead. Most people maxed them in the first few days and didn't look back. Bozja on the other hand is always super crowded, and it's much faster levelling than normal fates, even past 80.

I wish they'd give us at least 1 beast tribe and the new deep dungeon before everybody's already done getting all classes to 90 though. I find it weird how late they come in.

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the beast tribes and deep dungeon are added much later on to provide other ways for those who came in late, most people will level everything to 90 or what they want 90 in the first month or so (i myself have three jobs left to 90 and then i'm done with everything in terms of leveling) and then wait for new content or farm the current content. for those that have everything 90, these are simply another mount/minion/glamour.

I feel you, OP, but that would defeat the purpose of getting you to help other players via roulette etc. Once you've done your MSQ, your optimal continued leveling experience is designed to facilitate keeping low queues for new players.

That said, there are many avenues you can pursue to level up pretty quickly (most have been laid out already, so I'll just bullet list)

1) Before everything else, make sure you have all the +XP items you can get for the job/level range you are at. The Brand New Ring, various earrings, food, etc.
2) Daily Roulettes, typically "Leveling" and "Trials". The MSQ one is great xp, but is long and boring. Your call there.
3) Beast tribes for levels the expansion covers. So 50-60 jobs would be with the 3.0 Beast tribes. You can go higher, but there are diminishing returns.
4) Niche leveling spots, like Deep Dungeon, Eureka, Bozja.

YMMV depending on how much time and effort you like to put in. Personally I don't like #4 above because there is a chance to miss the fates, or die in PotD and get nothing at all..but friends of mine swear by them.

I just use the alt jobs I want to level for most of the roulettes (only do Expert and Alliance on my main for the tomestones). Also, I feed whatever EXP I can from the Challenge Log and Wondrous Tails to the alt jobs. Challenge Log rewards scale to level 80 if I'm not mistaken, while Wondrous Tails EXP scale all the way to level 90.

I feel that leveling alt jobs is fine when done over a longer period. Can't comment on doing it in a short time, though.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

I just wish the side quests gave enough XP to be worth doing, personally.

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I'm 99% certain they used to give the same XP as FATEs of same level in ShB launch, but now it seems to be significantly less. Or maybe it was SB. Either or.

Anyways, I found them worth doing while waiting for dungeon queues and cleaning a map up does give you quite a big chunk of XP. Then again, I was planning on doing all of the quests regardless, so there's that.

I don’t necessarily mind the dungeon span, even on dps, because I’m currently using the time between que pops to level crafters. Or gathering crafting materials on my gatherers so I’ve still got things I’m doing besides just sitting there. I do see that not everyone does this so dungeon spam could be tedious.

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Originally Posted by jwilliam87

With all the love and effort they put into MSQ, I wish they would let us replay some or all of it with xp to level up alt combat jobs.

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

Seems like a confusing waste of time, imo.

I would love to re-do the MSQ a few more times and really enjoy the brilliant storytelling, and be able to use that time to work on alt jobs.

What do you think?

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It's not very viable to have people only do solo duty stuff to level up for the lifetime of a game. Having people run dungeons/trials/raids/etc. as their primary way to get EXP keeps old and new content alive, and lets people who haven't finished story content to have players join and help them complete the content. Having such a lucrative source of EXP such as New Game+ would make queue pops a lot less frequent for optional content that doesn't involve the MSQ (which kills older content overtime). It's sorta why PvP still gets played regularly - because Frontlines Roulette exists.

Generally, FATEs & Sidequests don't give that much exp because they're only to supplement leveling throughout MSQ, in addition to being a reward for Bicolor gems/Relics/Orchestrion Scroll/Minions/Food/Emotes/Gear/Materials. The ones that reward a lot of EXP for its level is usually the ones with the bonus EXP attached to FATEs. It's nice optional content, but doesn't feel mandatory to do.

Mainly, Alt jobs get leveled up through roulettes to encourage & help newer players with their duty progression. The speed of leveling up with alt jobs through daily roulettes is generally fast enough unless you're specifically grinding / purposely rushing each job to max level cap. You can get a level or 2 per day using all of the roulettes with the bonus exp and whatever dungeon exp gives. Probably half a level more if you do MSQ roulette. Make sure to get full use of additional supplemental EXP stuff too, such as Khole's book, eating food, and logging out in a Sanctuary for Rested EXP bonus. Those things stack up overtime. Every week, if you complete the Khole's book, it's worth 1/2 a level to a level of EXP for a job, which helps speed up past capstone leveling (since lv 50/60/70/80 capstones usually reward less exp than leveling dungeons).

Edit: Also forgot to include accessories for supplemental EXP. IIRC, Friendship Circlet gives a 20% EXP increase up to lv 25. Brand New Ring works to level 30 with a 30% EXP increase. Ala Mhigan Earring/Aetheryte Earring/Menphina Earring gives 30% EXP bonus if you pre-ordered an expansion (up to 50/70/80). Alternatively, you can use the Bozja Earring (+10% EXP increase) from 71 to 80 if you haven't pre-ordered the earring.

Squadron Battle Manual gives a 15% Bonus EXP in combat. Heat of Battle (FC Buff) also gives 5% to 15% depending on which level of buff you use.
No joke, leveling through dungeons is pretty fast once you use all the additional EXP resources.

If you still feel leveling up is slow... don't forget, next level cap isn't until another 2 years. :) Plenty of time to get all jobs to 90 and still overcap on EXP for a long time imo. Having NG+ give EXP on top of that feels like overkill.

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Originally Posted by jwilliam87

Seems very weird to make us run around doing FATEs, and spamming dungeons and stuff.

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Fates are good till like level 20, then they drop off. Hunting Log lasts bit longer but ends at 50. If the job is a tank or healer it can spam roulette but to get optimal exp it should bypass it and queue to highest level instances it has access - degrading the value of roulette. DPS jobs are screwed as their queue is way longer and that's for the roulette itself. Beast Tribes are handy, side quests pretty much dead. EW fates if you get a fate train then like 20 per level or something like that, depending on level so also bit absurd.