[Suggestion] DOUBLE the amount of macro capacity.

The game is getting bigger with each new expansion and we are also getting more jobs but one thing that hasn't grown in a while is the macro capacity and I believe it's time for the dev team to increase the total.

Since macros are stored on the client side I think it wouldn't be a problem to DOUBLE the capacity from 100 to 200 in both tabs, 200 for personal macros and 200 for shared macros.

Some players may believe macros are useless and don't take advantage of them but for others like myself they are valuable tools inside the game that can help in a lot of things, like hunting and crafting macros.

The dev team must have in consideration that we players who don't use third-party plugins don't have as many advantages as those that actually use them (I just found out about such things existed a couple of days ago), thing is I could really use more macro capacity and since no one else has asked for it I decided to start the petition/suggestion.

I’m surprised that you do not think 100 personal macros are enough given the limited functionality of the macro system itself. Given the tremendous changes made to DoH over the past couple of expansions I find the actual need for macros to be much less than they were.

I can sort of agree with this. Early in the game's lifespan I toyed with the idea of creating macros that explain boss mechanics whenever it was needed. However, even in just ARR this became hard to image sustaining. I haven't even seen these of macros since then. However, consider the reasons you may want to use a macro:

- Crafting
- Hunts
- Accessibility (goes a long way to making the game enjoyable)
- Advertisements (statics, RP, etc.)
- Job changing (depending on your hotbar utilization, BLU, for example, or assigning Eureka gear and equipment)
- Job syncing (for commonly used actions/reworks)
- Roleplay
- Mechanic explanation
- Job actions (quite rare now, but some people still use party messages for raises, invulns, and DRG may still (sadly) want a macro)

I'm sure I am missing some usages. The commands you can use in a macro or the complexity of the macro system are not reasons to not add more space for macros. A lot of text-only macros exist and if you are invested in the game from a multitude of angles you will utilize macros in more ways than you thought you might.

That said, perhaps they are relying on third party tools to fill in these gaps (even if PS4/5 players are left out for the most part aside from hardware macros + keyboard).

I would also like more lines to be available in each macro if possible, thanks!

Could you please provide some specific examples on why the current amount is not enough?

I need 100 more macros so I can make 100 more meme Provoke and Shirk macros. My big time favorite currently is my gunbreaker one: "silence bottom" "Provoke on <t> <se.4>".

More on point: it sounds like you need better management of your macros. You have 100 individual macros (character specific) and 100 shared (account wide). You effectively have 200. I don't know what you could possibly be doing that you need more, unless you're doing the meme 1 button summoner rotation.

Other than 6 or so for crafting, and possibly a few more for ground-targetting spells you'd rather have as <t> or <me> ... what on Etheriys are you using the other slots for?
You can't possibly need THAT many to spam moogle-text-art at your groups.

I agree. Like it or not I've used macros for all my jobs. Not just crafting or RP reasons. And doing endgame content this way. No one has ever noticed or even asked me about it. So don't give me that GC crap. Cause I make even the best tanks and dps struggle to keep up with me. Just gotta make them right. And playing alts alot. I want more space to share my job skills.

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Originally Posted by Celendil

I agree. Like it or not I've used macros for all my jobs. Not just crafting or RP reasons. And doing endgame content this way. No one has ever noticed or even asked me about it. So don't give me that GC crap. Cause I make even the best tanks and dps struggle to keep up with me. Just gotta make them right. And playing alts alot. I want more space to share my job skills.

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/doubt

It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.

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Actually, that "fact" was based on a widely propagated misunderstanding and has since been debunked.

The big problem is that most players don't understand how FF14's macros work, what a macro is capable of, or how to write a macro properly; and it makes perfect sense that most players don't know these things because the macro system is both incredibly unintuitive and in no way explained. So it's common for players to try to get macros to do things they can't do, or to try to use them in ways that prevent them from working, or to simply fumble a macro's implementation in some way that undermines it. If you hold a handsaw from the wrong end, you're going to have a bad time, and it's not because handsaws are bad at what they do.

I wrote a massive post on this topic that contains a lot of nuanced information — including the scientific demonstration that debunks this commonly misunderstood idea that macros are bad in combat — so I encourage you to check it out: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-or-Lost-Casts

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

Actually, that "fact" was based on a widely propagated misunderstanding and has since been debunked. The truth is that whether you're using normal actions or macros, both have pros and cons, and thus which you use in different circumstances will be dependent upon the distinct needs of a given player. But most people don't understand how macros work or how to use them properly (which makes perfect sense since the game never explains them) and thus it's easy fumble your way into bad results.

I wrote a massive post on this topic that contains a lot of nuanced information as well as the scientific demonstration that debunks this commonly misunderstood idea that macros are bad in combat; I encourage you to check it out: https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-or-Lost-Casts

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No, you wrote a post that got debunked.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

It is a proven fact that macros are worse in combat. It's not debatable.

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There are definitely ways to use them for combat. You just have to know how. The only reason people recommend not to use them for combat is because you have to know how to make a macro that avoids the issues and new players are not likely to know that.

Here are some examples:

• Shirk macro.
• Intervention macro.
• Provoke macro to make sure it works.
• Sprint macro (don't personally have this, but many do).
• Nascent Flash macro.
• Heart of Corundum macro.
• Shukuchi macros.
• Aetherial Manipulation target macros.
• Aetherial Manipulation mouseover macros.
• Rescue mouseover macros.
• Mudra rearrangement macros.
• Cover macros.
• Sacred Soil macros (less relevant with how big it is these days).
• Used to be macros for Salted Earth, WAR stances, autoturrets, etc.
• Macros to adjust autofacetarget on/off on a healer, so that your heals don't turn you around suddenly while a gaze is happening, or mess with your direction while running.
• Focus target macros.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There are definitely ways to use them for combat. You just have to know how. The only reason people recommend not to use them for combat is because you have to know how to make a macro that avoids the issues and new players are not likely to know that.

Here are some examples:

• Shirk macro.
• Intervention macro.
• Provoke macro to make sure it works.
• Sprint macro (don't personally have this, but many do).
• Nascent Flash macro.
• Heart of Corundum macro.
• Shukuchi macros.
• Aetherial Manipulation target macros.
• Aetherial Manipulation mouseover macros.
• Rescue mouseover macros.
• Mudra rearrangement macros.
• Cover macros.
• Sacred Soil macros (less relevant with how big it is these days).
• Used to be macros for Salted Earth, WAR stances, autoturrets, etc.
• Macros to adjust autofacetarget on/off on a healer, so that your heals don't turn you around suddenly while a gaze is happening, or mess with your direction while running.
• Focus target macros.

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Some sites have numbers available to see, and when someone says that even the best dps and tanks can't keep up with them, we'll it's just one search away to check that, and yeah, not true.

The general admonition against using macros for combat is because the typical question (or the typical question that I see, anyway) is, "how do I macro <some GCD-based combo>?" Here's an example hot off the presses, in fact. There are cases where macros can work in combat, as even The Balance will attest to.

But really, none of that has anything to do with increasing the number of macro slots available. I have a whopping 14 defined, and it will cause me no harm if I suddenly have twice or thrice as many slots to use. Have fun with 'em. :p

Yes, Please!

I have already used 44/100 macro slots(on both),
and i have only macro'd for 3 jobs and some basic craft macros x.x

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

There are definitely ways to use them for combat....

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Notice how they are all oGCD, there is a bit more leeway in regards to clipping in that regard, however, I also haven't heard of a 'Mudra Replacement Macro (and a quick google didn't provide anything), so I cannot really comment on that.

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Originally Posted by AmiableApkallu

There are cases where macros can work in combat, as even The Balance will attest to.

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In this case The Balance specifically states that you can use this macro mid cast, which means it doesn't interrupt/get interrupted by anything else you do. One of the few cases where there is zero downsides.

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Originally Posted by Zeastria

Yes, Please!

I have already used 44/100 macro slots(on both),
and i have only macro'd for 3 jobs and some basic craft macros x.x

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If you have used that many, I would suggest reducing the number you use for combat. You shouldn't macro anything on the GCD and you shouldn't mix several actions in the same macro.

This is obviously ignoring the fact the topic is over 2 years old. Take from that info what you will.

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Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo

If you genuinely think so, could you be more specific? What specific claim did I make that was debunked, and what was the evidence that debunked it?

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The entire topic is me correcting your mis-information on macros and generally trying to help you make a better post that properly provides the correct information in a clear fashion without obstructing it behind other less relevant paragraphs. Which, by the way, you have never fixed, which to this day I still believe is because you don't want to give people the proper information to make an informed decision, you just wanted your 'macros are good' to be a universal truth, despite the fact it isn't.

This is despite you saying you hate misinformation and want people to make an informed decision: Post, First paragraph after second post. Of which I do then provide a template, with basic information on each point that you could literally use to ensure the information provided was presented in a proper way that didn't obfuscate any details (Post in question).

And, whilst I'm not going to go through the whole topic in detail again, there are several disadvantages to macros that make them objectively worse than just using the normal actions. Now, I do understand you have made this because of your own personal needs, however, this doesn't mean it is suitable for everyone and should be limited to people who can make use of the system to allow them to play the game and not be as much of a hinderance. It should not be something that is promoted to everyone. Unfortunately, your stubbornness to properly acknowledge the limitations is preventing you from seeing this.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

If you have used that many, I would suggest reducing the number you use for combat. You shouldn't macro anything on the GCD and you shouldn't mix several actions in the same macro.

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You can macro GCD's as well as multiple actions in the same macro, so long as you are aware of the rules that macros play by so that such macros can be implemented and used productively. There are costs to using macros, and if those costs don't hinder you, or if the benefits of the macro help you more than the costs hinder you, then there's literally no reason to not use a macro that enhances your game experience.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

The entire topic is me correcting your mis-information on macros and generally trying to help you make a better post that properly provides the correct information in a clear fashion without obstructing it behind other less relevant paragraphs. Which, by the way, you have never fixed, which to this day I still believe is because you don't want to give people the proper information to make an informed decision, you just wanted your 'macros are good' to be a universal truth, despite the fact it isn't.

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I hope you know that I actually do appreciate your sharing your perspective on my post and the ways you thought I could improve it, especially because in some cases I did agree with you and made corresponding adjustments.

I do have to say, I'm not sure how anyone could read my post and think I'm saying that "macros are good" is a universal truth, especially when I devote an entire section of my post to the downsides of macros and explicitly encourage folks to make their own personal decisions on the matter.

I trust that your intentions are pure, but I'm personally against your habit of deciding for other players whether they should or shouldn't use macros. Arbitrarily telling strangers not to use their macros or to reduce their macro use without context operates on the false assumption that by default, other players have the same desires, needs, and problems as you. But the reality is that people are incredibly varied. The idea that macros are just for disabled people or whatever is silly; macros are for any person who feels they will benefit from the functionality they provide. If a player decides they're going to use macros, that's awesome. If a player decides they're not going to use macros, that's awesome too. But I stand by the ideal that it should be their choice, not mine or yours.

Which is why I encourage players to get educated on how macros work, what they can do, and what the downsides and pitfalls are, so that they can then decide for themselves whether macros are something they want to give a shot.

I get that you have semantic issues with my post, specifically that you dislike the concept of contrasting the relative benefits of normal actions to the benefits of macros. You feel that obfuscates something about how normal actions are (in your opinion) superior to macros. I disagree with your opinion on that, but I hear you on it.

If you think any of the actual information I've presented is incorrect, let me know.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

If you have used that many, I would suggest reducing the number you use for combat. You shouldn't macro anything on the GCD and you shouldn't mix several actions in the same macro.

This is obviously ignoring the fact the topic is over 2 years old. Take from that info what you will.

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I have had no issue with my heal(s) macros, been using them for over a year!.
To clarify what kind of macros i'm using:

1. I dont macro several actions into one -> i macro ONE ability at the time.
2. They're ST-heal/buff/ress macros ( target/mouseover_macros).

★They're quick and responsive
★They execute as quick as my non-macroed ones, i cant tell the difference.

★ALSO keep in mind;
They let me skip the entire "click target first-progress"..
which also saves me more x secs, even if there should be slight delay.