Every Single A4S farm party in a nutshell

Party Leader : "I've already cleared this fight before 8 times in another group, this is easy don't worry guys"

*Wipes to Fundamental Synergy for 8 hours*

"Haha wow guess this isnt working, gg, later guys". *Group disbands*

Every. Single. Time. Without fail. They all claim to have "done it before" with another group that somehow did it perfectly several times in a row, then demonstrate they have no idea what they're doing, fail over and over, and just disband. Starting to think I'm being lied to.

What is it about Fundamental Synergy that filters 99% of people anyway? How has SE managed to make a mechanic that the vast majority of their playerbase cannot for the life of themselves wrap their heads around? And why does a full lvl 90 group still get one shot by it unsynced with 80% echo buff?

Hi, welcome to FFXIV. Clear party is phase 1 practice party. Farm party is phase 1 practice party. Clear for a friend is phase 1 practice party.

Everyone always has already cleared, but it's always phase 1 practice party.

Alexander 4 Savage? Wow that surely is a different timeline!

For a minute I thought you meant "P" instead of "A".

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Originally Posted by Ruru_Nayu

Alexander 4 Savage? Wow that surely is a different timeline!

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Alphascape V4 Savage I meant. Wrong abbreviation lol.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Alphascape V4 Savage I meant. Wrong abbreviation lol.

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Most of us call that O12S. Use continuous numbering throughout the entire expansion's raids. Personally I hate that convention but that's how we do it and if we did it some other way we would end up burning three letters each expansion or have to switch to two-letter labels. And then potentially AS could mean Alexander:Son, AlphaScape, or ASphodelus and all semblance of order would be out the window.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Hi, welcome to FFXIV. Clear party is phase 1 practice party. Farm party is phase 1 practice party. Clear for a friend is phase 1 practice party.

Everyone always has already cleared, but it's always phase 1 practice party.

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Never seen anyone pronounce “literally first mechanic” like that.

Back when it was relevant I was able to clear O12S without much issue, even one handed (literally - I broke my shoulder and ended up changing all my keybinds to play with one hand for a few weeks of our reclears).

But I have to say if I tried it now I would have no idea what I was doing. I bet that a lot of people saying they've cleared did so long ago and are probably really rusty, used to doing things different ways, etc. Basically like they're totally relearning the fight.

It'll get better once we're further into EW with better gear.

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Originally Posted by Elleia

Back when it was relevant I was able to clear O12S without much issue, even one handed (literally - I broke my shoulder and ended up changing all my keybinds to play with one hand for a few weeks of our reclears).

But I have to say if I tried it now I would have no idea what I was doing. I bet that a lot of people saying they've cleared did so long ago and are probably really rusty, used to doing things different ways, etc. Basically like they're totally relearning the fight.

It'll get better once we're further into EW with better gear.

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The problem is Fundamental Synergy is an auto-oneshot mechanic. Irrelevant of your level or gear, you just die if even 1 single person messes it up. Which is stupid IMO, a full 90 farm party should just be able to whack it and collect the mount like they would any other pre-SHB savage/extreme. You can easily do Alexander 12 savage at lvl 80, but for some reason Alphascape is just so insanely punishing that not even a full 90 group can clear it without trouble. In fact Alphascape V4 savage is the reason I don't even bother with savages outside of unsynced farm parties. If savages post Omega have mechanics like that (I understand Fundamental Synergy since I watched guides, but how the hell is anyone honestly going to figure that mechanic out on their own? Nothing about it even remotely hints as to what you need to do and you need to be very VERY specific in your positioning or you wipe if even one single person messes it up) than I don't want anything to do with them.

Alphascape has ruined my interest in doing savages altogether, which bothers me, but mechanics that are not remotely communicated to the player and require you to have pre-existing knowledge, and 1 single person making a slightly wrong movement causing a complete wipe is not fun to me.

Yeah, it's definitely one that you can't just yoloskip an mostly pray that the first 2/3 numbers don't mess up- if people cannot do that though, I doubt they could do the patch mechanic later on either.

At least we have a modern version of Fundamental Synergy which can be seen by running Asphodelos 2nd Circle (Savage) in PF.

I thought you meant Alexander 4 Savage for a second and was like uhhhh lmao
But yeah I dunno seems to be the way of Pugs

Limit Cuts hit different.

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

you just die if even 1 single person messes it up. Which is stupid IMO,

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It's only stupid if the people are stupid imo.
Which sadly the chances are quite high with 8 random people.

But I think it makes for a lot of fun mechanics, there's a lot of cooperation in Second Circle - Savage for example and it's fun when it works and everyone knows what to do and have a functioning brain.
It makes you feel like a team and I think that if everyone needs to pull their weight it makes it more rewarding and people can't get carried as easily which I don't think you should be able to be tbh.
Not in harder endgame content I think you should have to perform or not clear at all.

The problem is that a lot of people don't know what to do and/ or have an IQ of five.
For some reason it takes some people ten+ hours to understand to stay at the back of the platform the boss is on when the mechanic starts with a 2 and 4 blue mark and to run to the already placed numerical waymarks with red 1-4.
For some reason this is completely impossible for 85+% of people to understand.

Once it works it feels great imo and if you're playing with people who have a functioning brain.
If you don't it can be infuriating tho.

They should all be listed as follows:

“Alphascape V4 wiping party. No learning, no calling loot, no loot at all. Don’t bother watching a video.”

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Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa

Nothing about it even remotely hints as to what you need to do and you need to be very VERY specific in your positioning or you wipe if even one single person messes it up.

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Eeeeh, what? You literally get numbers over your heads indicating the dash order, color-coded to the boss buff icons - a conventional indicator for dashes in this game - and a vulnerability debuff after you get hit, indicating you shouldn't get hit twice. I'd say it's extremelly well hinted.
It's also not in fact that specific, given I recall there being at least 2 separate strats to do it.

"One person messes up and you wipe" mechanics are present in pretty much every 4th floor for any tier, it's nothing out of the ordinary. You might dislike it, but well, savage isn't for everyone, nobody forces you to run it.

Just because unsync is there to make old content easier, doesn't mean it's a guarantee that you can get anything in the game effortlessly if you just wait. It's already very casual-friendly that you can unsync at all, rather than having to do everything "properly" - like with Ultimates - to avoid devaluing efforts of those who cleared content when it was current.

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Originally Posted by SpeckledBurd

Limit Cuts hit different.

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Watching one of the healers repeatedly position themselves on the part where Omega splits to be directly in front of the eye over and over again is an abstract kind of hell.