I want a new deep dungeon

I'm sorry, but the shadowbringers idea of making the relic area the new deep dungeon XP area just doesn't cut it. Fates are way too slow, and people don't often do it in ways that makes it easy to level. Please bring back the deep dungeons for Endwalker. I LOVE the challenge of getting to the top, I love how useful they are for leveling, and I want a new one to return. With the mythos of Endwalker that has been set up, there ARE LIMITLESS potentials of what they could do. They could make an Elpis one, one based on the dreams and shattered pieces of dead worlds, or even one on the moon. The potential is there. It could be the most far out deep dungeon ever.

Just give us a new one to experience, and a new glowing weapon set SE. <3

I 110 % support this. I would love a new deep dungeon. Maybe one set in outer space, or on the moon . Maybe one set in the ocean. Ideas are endless !

In my experience, Bozja is always active and is the fastest way to level even from 80-90. I have 4 jobs at 90 currently and I leveled most of it from Bozja.

I'm not against a new Deep Dungeon by any means, but I think that it's incorrect to act like Bozja is inefficient.

Endwalker should be getting a deep dungeon. I'm fairly sure this was a question asked in the interview Sly Fox had with Yoshida.

EDIT: Personally I just hope it is a lot more expansive than the previous iteration.

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Originally Posted by Kaurhz

Endwalker should be getting a deep dungeon. I'm fairly sure this was a question asked in the interview Sly Fox had with Yoshida.

EDIT: Personally I just hope it is a lot more expansive than the previous iteration.

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I love Heaven on High, but the fact that you only do so few floors for the leveling bit made it a bit stale. I feel like they did that because of how the players often treat the deep dungeons, and are super rushy/kinda lame at finding silver chests. I hate how some people make me feel when I do them.. like they are entitled to quick quick quick dungons, and not helpful for other players that dont like that.

I rather leveling at Bozja-like fate than Deep Dungeon, because doing Deep Dungeon on repeat is so boring...

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I rather leveling at Bozja-like fate than Deep Dungeon, because doing Deep Dungeon on repeat is so boring...

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they out to do both, so that everyone can be happy.

Having done both of FF14's deep dungeons Palace of the Dead and Heaven-on-High, as well as WoW's first (And currently only) deep dungeon Torghast, there are some things I would do differently. First, no more invisible traps. PotD and HoH have invisible traps such as mines that take off like 4/5 of your health, and the traps are completely invisible unless you use a pomander of sight. In Torghast on the other hand, all traps are either clearly visible, or have some sort of indicator that careful players can watch for. For example, giant hidden swinging axes will always have a gouge mark in the floor that you can look out for. Another thing I like about Torghast is it will scale for the number of players in your group, so if you go in solo, it will be properly scaled for 1 player.

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I rather leveling at Bozja-like fate than Deep Dungeon, because doing Deep Dungeon on repeat is so boring...

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agreed, bozja was far better for exp.
however, deep dungeons give loot and are an added challenge during content droughts. once bozja is done its done sadly

I really only want one if it's actually got something novel this time. I like the basic concept of deep dungeons, but both PotD and HoH just felt so barebone.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

they out to do both, so that everyone can be happy.

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That is, sadly, not how workload works. Unless they decided not to produce a Deep Dungeon in Shadowbringers despite having a dedicated DD team that could not work on anything else with sufficient efficiency, there will be some element zero-sum element between the two.

Personally, I'd take a truly good, involved Deep Dungeon over another relic grind backdrop zone, but... I'd probably take an Exploratory Mission done right over a Deep Dungeon. (And, of course, "done right" is a whole can of worms in itself....)

I feel like I heard somewhere they are planning for a new deep dungeon. If they do though, I hope they expand on it. It's pretty bare bones and gets old kinda fast. Some sort of progression system (beyond aether pools) would be cool.

Anyway, they are gonna likely add some sort of content for leveling.

It would be nice, I'd like to think the reason why they've been so secretive aside from Raid 8/24man and Sanctuary is because revealing any other artwork/name for future content would completely spoil the direction of the story. AKA we don't have the name of the Relic location yet, potential Deep Dungeon or even the potential DOL/DOH restoration content. Those 3 things have a very high chance of being tied to spoilers so it will be interesting to see what the next LL reveals about the 6.1 patch cycle.

We're getting one.
It was said EW was getting a Deep Dungeon and a Hildibrand Questline.

They didnt do it in ShB because of Burnout, so they took a break from it, and saved it for the next Expansion.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

It was said EW was getting a Deep Dungeon and a Hildibrand Questline.

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That's awesome. Small party and solo content is much more interesting than fate farming in a different map.

I don't recall there being any hints towards a deep dungeon in the MSQ. Maybe it could be a storage in Labyrinthos?

Yes definitely deep dungeon as opposed to something like Bozja. The first couple days I spent in that zone actually made me take a break from the game it was such a miserable experience.

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Originally Posted by Airget

It would be nice, I'd like to think the reason why they've been so secretive aside from Raid 8/24man and Sanctuary is because revealing any other artwork/name for future content would completely spoil the direction of the story. AKA we don't have the name of the Relic location yet, potential Deep Dungeon or even the potential DOL/DOH restoration content. Those 3 things have a very high chance of being tied to spoilers so it will be interesting to see what the next LL reveals about the 6.1 patch cycle.

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Relic location is highly likely to deal with Dalmasca if you have played through the Bozja story. Dalmasca is still in a very.. odd state of affairs since they liberated themselves from what I have heard. It may not all be sun and roses.

Yes, I can't wait for it and I wish it was in already. Or at least you know, not only be out when people are done getting all classes to 90 already. There's still the climbing factor to them, but I also love having them as way to level,

Bozja right now is more like: oh look a fate, it's at 0%, I'll go there. gets there: Oh it's dead already. Not fun.

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Originally Posted by Feronar

Having done both of FF14's deep dungeons Palace of the Dead and Heaven-on-High, as well as WoW's first (And currently only) deep dungeon Torghast, there are some things I would do differently. First, no more invisible traps. PotD and HoH have invisible traps such as mines that take off like 4/5 of your health, and the traps are completely invisible unless you use a pomander of sight. In Torghast on the other hand, all traps are either clearly visible, or have some sort of indicator that careful players can watch for. For example, giant hidden swinging axes will always have a gouge mark in the floor that you can look out for. Another thing I like about Torghast is it will scale for the number of players in your group, so if you go in solo, it will be properly scaled for 1 player.

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Nope nope nope. First of all, the invisible traps are part of what makes them so challenging to climb, and hilarious when playing casually. It adds some sauce. What's the point of traps if you can easy see and avoid them?
Nope for the scaling too. A lot of people find the only challenge in this game to work towards solo-climbing deep dungeons. By scaling them you'd be killing that too. And it would also be like dungeons scaling with the number of people instead of requiring 4, makes no sense.

I want the adam's family song in the potd!!!

I mean, I never saw Bozja empty and leveling there is well paced, but I also love the Deep Dungeons...

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Originally Posted by Knot_D

I rather leveling at Bozja-like fate than Deep Dungeon, because doing Deep Dungeon on repeat is so boring...

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And somehow Bozja isn't? I'd rather have deep dungeon because at least you can have the challenge of soloing it and having a leaderboard for it. Bozja is just mindless fate spamming.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

Relic location is highly likely to deal with Dalmasca if you have played through the Bozja story. Dalmasca is still in a very.. odd state of affairs since they liberated themselves from what I have heard. It may not all be sun and roses.

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As far as I'm aware, we won't be likely to see a continuation on the Dalmascan/Bozjan/FFT-inspired areas. The Bozjan storyline had poor reception over in Japan, I believe the FFT director they brought on for the Ivalice and Bozja stuff mentioned as much about the situation over on twitter.

I'd really like to see it continued, as other than a few parts, I enjoyed the style of storytelling in the Ivalice and Bozjan questlines... but unfortunately, not enough shared the sentiment.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

As far as I'm aware, we won't be likely to see a continuation on the Dalmascan/Bozjan/FFT-inspired areas. The Bozjan storyline had poor reception over in Japan, I believe the FFT director they brought on for the Ivalice and Bozja stuff mentioned as much about the situation over on twitter.

I'd really like to see it continued, as other than a few parts, I enjoyed the style of storytelling in the Ivalice and Bozjan questlines... but unfortunately, not enough shared the sentiment.

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That's really too bad, because I enjoyed it a lot. It reminded me of FFX and FXII combined into one style narrative. It was really cool for the time.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

That's really too bad, because I enjoyed it a lot. It reminded me of FFX and FXII combined into one style narrative. It was really cool for the time.

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Here's the thread from Matsuno about it. Went and found it just so I wasn't misstating anything.

Yeah, it is unfortunate. Other than some parts of it (mainly revolving around how Mikoto was utilized), I really enjoyed the lore and storytelling of the Ivalice and Bozja questlines. Matsuno is a good writer, and he genuinely seems disappointed in how things turned out. I believe some of the issues people had with the outside writers in ShB lead to their decision for original storylines for the raids in EW.

Edit: Adding the reddit thread about it just for posterity.

To avoid getting off topic, though: While I'm personally not really a fan of the lower floor Deep Dungeon experience that we tend to get, I do very much enjoy the difficult light party aspects that the higher floors introduce. I didn't particularly dislike Bozja for leveling (and honestly find it slightly more exciting than the DD leveling grind), but having both options around would be nice. Just kind of hope the next installment's story is a bit less... well. Short and bad, as I don't recall being particularly wow'd by HoH's story compared to enjoying most of Palace's.

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Originally Posted by DamianFatale

I'm sorry, but the shadowbringers idea of making the relic area the new deep dungeon XP area just doesn't cut it. Fates are way too slow, and people don't often do it in ways that makes it easy to level.

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I dunno. I find Bozja to be extremely faster for leveling than the deep dungeons were. It's still an absurdly repetitive grind, but at least the scenery is a little more varied.

Until they can do a proper procedural dungeon with actual layout and content variety... something even the 1979 AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide was able to do with a pair of 10-sided dice... until they can develop up to 1979 quality levels with this, I don't want another one.