Current savage should be the normal difficulty

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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No, it shouldn't. Normal difficulty should remain Normal difficulty. Savages are there already, feel free to do them.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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Current casual players say keep Savage where it is.

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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so true bestie

While I’d prefer to see a bit more difficulty in Savage raids, I don’t know if going back to the extreme that Gordias was is a good idea. Midas difficulty would be nice, I think.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

No, it shouldn't. Normal difficulty should remain Normal difficulty. Savages are there already, feel free to do them.

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triple legend
3.05 "vets"

And I agree

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

Current savage should be the normal difficult

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No, it should not.

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Ew. A political statement meme. How uncouth.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

While I’d prefer to see a bit more difficulty in Savage raids, I don’t know if going back to the extreme that Gordias was is a good idea. Midas difficulty would be nice, I think.

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#BringBackFaust

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Originally Posted by Daralii

#BringBackFaust

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My concern is less to do with threatening door bosses like OG Faust and more to do with the fact that Gordias was simply not tuned well. I’m not talking LL difficulty or outgoing damage but more the HP for Manipulator being so high it was impossible to clear without tome weapons. Not the best design imo. I want actual difficulty. Not artificial difficulty.

Alexander was so miserable and un-fun that it led me to dropping my sub for most of Heavensward. No thanks.

I have to agree if just because the normal difficulty feels patronizingly redundant at this point.

Deep Dungeons.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Current casual players say keep Savage where it is.

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Current casual players should get on the cases of the lazy players that want everything nerfed because they can't be bothered to push more than a couple buttons or move their character during a fight. The nerfs they caused with their endless whining have stunted your skill growth as a player making various content seem harder than it actually is. >.>

No thanks. Normal mode was fun this tier. Not too bad, some spicy mechs to keep things interesting. If you want to argue for Savage to be harder, then do that.

First make P3 less irritating to look at, then we can discuss the actual fight.

Alternatively:

Ultimate raids -> Hard

Savage raids -> Normal

Normal raids - (merged with Normal)

Extreme trials -> Easy

Normal (max level) trials -> (merged with Easy)

Normal (leveling) trials and (Heavensward) Hard trials and Normal dungeons -> (remove Hard designation for the trials and remain undesignated (Very Easy behind the scenes))

Hard dungeons and (ARR) Hard trials -> (replace Hard designation with II instead (same difficulty as Very Easy))

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

My concern is less to do with threatening door bosses like OG Faust and more to do with the fact that Gordias was simply not tuned well. I’m not talking LL difficulty or outgoing damage but more the HP for Manipulator being so high it was impossible to clear without tome weapons. Not the best design imo. I want actual difficulty. Not artificial difficulty.

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Ding ding ding!

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Originally Posted by DinahDemiurge

3.05 vets say Make savage great again.

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This makes no sense. What do you care about the label. If you can access hard enough or easy enough content to match your gaming preference for yourself that is all that should matter.

Normal mode players don't get the savage stuff at the same time. That's actually what makes it fun to rock some savage gear and what makes it look cool.

I cannot impress upon you enough how very unfun this would actually work out for hardcore raiding

Nice bait.

I really do get where you are coming from; yet you would be surprised to see actual usability testing results across age, gender, occupation and culture.

Namely, there are plenty of entire categories of folks that truly have a very difficult time doing more than the very basic.
Before you just cast them aside consider keeping this in mind:

Having levels of difficulty at all is intended to allow the game a broad audience.
Maybe Grandma wants to hang out with her grandkid, and that's OK.
All those dirty casuals' subscriptions are paying for your content much more than raid gamers' subs are paying for their content.

Thanks to them we can have very HQ visuals, audio and mechanics. More than any game focused purely on elites could ever hope to pay for.
All for the mere cost of having a one-time clear at reduced difficulty.

Think of Normal mode as a training dummy. It really is one after all.

op is trolling, they also have an ugly catgirl.

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Originally Posted by HyoMinPark

While I’d prefer to see a bit more difficulty in Savage raids, I don’t know if going back to the extreme that Gordias was is a good idea. Midas difficulty would be nice, I think.

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If you make Savage anymore difficult it willl become static-only like Ultimates. Maybe the first 2 fights can be made harder but the last 2 fights of the tier have been at a good difficulty that is puggable, albeit painfully. Or well at least P3 is puggable but idk about p4 still stuck on tornadoes. I find the jump from P2S to P3S ridiculous and square enix needs to either make the first 2 fights harder or find some other way to ease in the difficulty more. Maybe this tier is an outlier in that regard, 5.4 was my first savage tier

The o9s tier was quite hard and probably the hardest I’ve experienced (never did e8s though) in PF. Some say this tier is equal to e1s tier but I’ve not tried. They also say p3s is the wall for PF this time around.

I don't know man, I don't want to get locked on P3 for days just because people can't count to 8, I think they way it is now is good.

If savage is to easy for you in a static, just go Party finder. Suddenly its super hard again.

At least i personally experienced that having a good static with a caller makes things so MUCH more easy. Shame i only found one good and pleasant static in all the years i played.