BLM Thoughts.

Just personal opinions here: I HATE it.

There is just so much movement in this game the fact that BLM has such long cast times even with things like Triple Cast or Swift Cast, they just are not enough. Often while leveling I found myself running out of movement abilities cause there was just so much movement on bosses.

The fact the Umbral Ice and Astral Fire buffs still have timers on them when so many timers on buffs were removed or extended is baffling to me. And if they run out your entire rotation just jams to a halt more than any other job. Personally I think the timers should be removed and the interaction of the spells enhanced. Like Fire > Fire 3 > Fire 4 or maybe Fire has 50% chance to proc Fire 3 and the same for Fire 3 and 4 or just something. People complain about Ruin spam on SMN but isn't just using Fire 4 twice or 3 times only to switch to Fire 1 until you run out of MP then switch and do the same with Ice the same as Ruin spam? Maybe they could make Scaith add 5s or refresh your Ice and Fire buffs or something?

Speaking of switch to Ice, why doesn't switching just restore all your mp. So many times i've Switched to Ice and cast Ice 3 > Ice 4 only to still be at 6000 mp when I switch back to Fire. And then there is Transpose. Why doesn't it give you as many stacks as you had or upgrade into Umbral Soul and just have Umbral Soul work even when you are in Fire.

Why does Flare have a, what is it 3.5s cast time? When Despair is only 2.5s. You end up spamming Flare 2 or 3 times at the end of your AoE rotation and the cast time is sooo horrendous some things either die before you cast and you can't switch targets during a cast so it gets interrupted and you have to start all over or just switch to Ice and start the AoE rotation all over.

Paradox is interesting and fun mechanic that gives you a reason to use Ice 1 during your Ice phase and is a good evolution to have to the switch from Fire and Ice for mp mechanic.

Anyway these are just my thoughts on BLM. Having suffered it to 90 I'll probably never play it over SMN or RDM for my dailies or anything. However I do hope other people enjoy it. Hope it fills the BLM fantasy for them like SMN does for me now. And I just wanted to vent a little. Thanks for listening. :)

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

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Slidecasting doesn't always work depending on latency, lag or any other problem that might occur. But yes I do try to do it. Just often the boss will do a AoE RIGHT AS I START CASTING lol.

What fights in particular in EW do you hate?
I've cleared all of them on BLM and I don't feel this at all, you've got quite a lot of spells for movement now.

I dunno about Savage tho but we'll see tomorrow.

It's one of the more fun AOE rotations now. Almost every job just has a dumbed down version of ST rotation, BLM is a completely different dynamic thing that depends on your procs, instant-cast cooldowns and MP recoveries.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Slidecasting doesn't always work depending on latency, lag or any other problem that might occur. But yes I do try to do it. Just often the boss will do a AoE RIGHT AS I START CASTING lol.

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Step 1: Get gear that naturally has spell speed, or failing that, meld spell speed on your gear. BLM scales very well with spell speed, and having too low an amount of it is a miserable experience imo. A good starting point would be about 1100-1300ish spell speed.

Step 2: Utterly abuse your movement tools. You have 2 charges of Triplecast, 2 charges of Sharpcast to force a Thundercloud or Firestarter proc, Amplifier to generate a stack of Xenoglossy, Swiftcast, and Paradox is instantcast during your ice phase. Use instantcasts to weave your abilities so you don't clip your GCDs. Ley Lines increase the speed at which you cast, Aetherial Manipulation to move to another party member, whether it be to a safe zone or a stack marker, and Between The Lines to return to your Ley Lines. Also abuse Surecast to prevent knockbacks from interrupting your cast and Manaward to nullify damage if you know a hit won't kill you.

Step 3: Know the Fight. This one's a bit tricky if you're going into a fight blind and don't learn quickly. Figure out which spots don't tend to get aoes dropped on them, get used to dodging aoes by a fraction of a hair, find that one pixel perfect spot between the multiple aoes that just spawned in your general area. And no matter what, always practice your ABC's. Show those aoes (and your stressed out healer lol) who's boss.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Step 1: Get gear that naturally has spell speed, or failing that, meld spell speed on your gear. BLM scales very well with spell speed, and having too low an amount of it is a miserable experience imo. A good starting point would be about 1100-1300ish spell speed.

Step 2: Utterly abuse your movement tools. You have 2 charges of Triplecast, 2 charges of Sharpcast to force a Thundercloud or Firestarter proc, Amplifier to generate a stack of Xenoglossy, Swiftcast, and Paradox is instantcast during your ice phase. Use instantcasts to weave your abilities so you don't clip your GCDs. Ley Lines increase the speed at which you cast, Aetherial Manipulation to move to another party member, whether it be to a safe zone or a stack marker, and Between The Lines to return to your Ley Lines. Also abuse Surecast to prevent knockbacks from interrupting your cast and Manaward to nullify damage if you know a hit won't kill you.

Step 3: Know the Fight. This one's a bit tricky if you're going into a fight blind and don't learn quickly. Figure out which spots don't tend to get aoes dropped on them, get used to dodging aoes by a fraction of a hair, find that one pixel perfect spot between the multiple aoes that just spawned in your general area. And no matter what, always practice your ABC's. Show those aoes (and your stressed out healer lol) who's boss.

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Step 1. Even IF I cared to use materia on any job it wouldn't be blm lol. I don't enjoy playing and only got it to max level.

Step 2. I do abuse my movement tools. So much so that I run out. I also have no clue when you are meant to use Sharpcast and tend to ignore it since the long cast times make it difficult to weave Sharpcast in. Aetherial Manipulation is horrible on controller. Between the lines is nice but it's only there when you have Leylines which is once very 120s.

Step 3. It is impossible to memorize every fight in this game. If you are only playing BLM in say Savage or Ultimate then sure. Memorizing the fight would be necessary but that's any job imo.

Again these are just things I hate about the job and am mostly talking about how fun the job is to just pick up and play. Running dungeons for roulettes or trails, leveling, etc. etc. :)

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Originally Posted by ThorneDynasty

It's one of the more fun AOE rotations now. Almost every job just has a dumbed down version of ST rotation, BLM is a completely different dynamic thing that depends on your procs, instant-cast cooldowns and MP recoveries.

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I mean.... Blizzard 2 is just a AoE version of Blizzard 3. Freeze a AoE version of Blizzard 4. Fire 2 a AoE version of Fire 3. Flare an AoE version of Fire 4 / Despair. As far as I'm aware you only use Manafont to get another Flare or Despair. Do BLMs use Manashroud? I can't remember.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Step 1. Even IF I cared to use materia on any job it wouldn't be blm lol. I don't enjoy playing and only got it to max level.

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Well that's just asking for a bad time. There's no excuse not to take the free shit the game gives you and stick it in the holes in your gear. They've made it the easiest thing ever. If you're not willing to take the steps to make the game better and easier on yourself, then you can't exactly complain the game is hard. It's like blaming the pavers of a road that you're having trouble walking on the road after you've shot yourself in the foot.

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Step 2. I do abuse my movement tools. So much so that I run out. I also have no clue when you are meant to use Sharpcast and tend to ignore it

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You either use your movement tools or you don't use Sharpcast because you can't find a place to use it. Pick a lane. If you have an instant cast (and you do if you use your triplecasts, procs, xenoglossy, swiftcast, etc, and even Fire 3 gives you time to weave an ogcd when you go into Astral Fire) then you can use it. You're GOING to be casting a Fire 1 or Thunder 3 soon enough.

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since the long cast times make it difficult to weave Sharpcast in. Aetherial Manipulation is horrible on controller. Between the lines is nice but it's only there when you have Leylines which is once very 120s.

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Swiftcast, Triplecast, after Fire 3, Xenoglossy, these all give you weaves. Come on.

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Step 3. It is impossible to memorize every fight in this game.

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For BLM prog purposes? It's very possible to memorize every fight you can do with it.

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If you are only playing BLM in say Savage or Ultimate then sure. Memorizing the fight would be necessary but that's any job imo.

Again these are just things I hate about the job and am mostly talking about how fun the job is to just pick up and play. Running dungeons for roulettes or trails, leveling, etc. etc. :)

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So? Should BLM be made a ranged physical because... you won't (not can't, won't) use its tools and won't (not can't, won't) try to understand the fights on a basic enough level to conquer them?

Maybe it's not the job. Maybe it's PEBCAK.

You don't need to memorize fights to do well on them as BLM, just to totally ace them by being able to use a greater fraction of your movement tools for DPS or to completely avoid clipping. It's not ideal but better than nothing to just clip swift or triple to get out of an AoE or into a stack. And if you're not sure when to sharpcast, just use it every time you swap elements or after every instant spell.

Do you wanna take some time and go over the class with some of us in game? I'm not the greatest BLM but I don't even drop my AF or UI in the latest extreme fights and you gotta move in those. Lots of movement and out of instacasts? Transpose to UI, Scathe, use umbral soul to get everything back up. Plus the cast of F3 or B3 while in full stacks of the opposite is pretty quick, so you need a quick cast to up the tick do that. You gotta use sharpcast better. Thunder takes priority but having that backup F3 will help uptime immensely during moving phases. If there is a long animation that makes the boss invul, then umbral soul and restart your opener when they are targetable again. (These aren't the best but they are something)

Most of the time, if you do your opener right, ley lines lasts past the first movement mechanic so you can zip back to it and keep casting.

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"So many times i've Switched to Ice and cast Ice 3 > Ice 4 only to still be at 6000 mp"

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Did you use UI Paradox? By then you should have full mp. Also use UI Paradox as a movement skill during those mechanics.

As someone who has little raiding experience on BLM and just plays the job once every 2 years:
Is that amount of mobility even legal on BLM?

Since I didn't cared much, I tried to keep triple cast for movement rather than for the rotation, I'm not sure if it's still supposed to be part of the rotation.
Results? I often sat on 2 charges, dynamisation and swiftcast.

Even when actively using the tools, I was often sitting on 1 stack of triple cast.

It is quite possible. Using aetherial manipulation correctly lets you be a little greedy. Got in an extra spell, didn't have time to sprint out, but the healer was in the correct spot. Zip to them. Between the lines to get back to my leylines across the arena. BLM can be very mobile is you know how to properly maintain your rotation and adapt. Lots of timing and knowing about how many times you can cast before your ticker runs out or a mechanic.

2 triple cast = 6 instacasts
2 Sharpcasts = 2 proc insta casts
Swift Cast = 1 instacast
Amplifier = gain 1 insta polyglot skill
Polyglot = Xenoglossy is instant
UF3 & UI3 makes the next opposite element almost instant.

Even when using my instas for rotations, I found myself with a charge eventually during heavy movement mechanics

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Step 1. Even IF I cared to use materia on any job it wouldn't be blm lol. I don't enjoy playing and only got it to max level.

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I mean I hate to say it then, but your opinion is kinda irrelevant. It takes more than levelling a job to 90 to actually understand it. BLM has a ridiculous amount of mobility tools now, to the point where we're almost more mobile than Red Mage (admittedly in bursts of it, rather than a consistent every other GCD). It has 2 Charges of triplecast, swiftcast, sharpcast charges every 30 seconds and has 2 charges (and procs last for so long now that you practically always have one available), instacast paradox in ice, and it's two zipping moves. For everything else there's slidecasting.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Step 2. I do abuse my movement tools. So much so that I run out. I also have no clue when you are meant to use Sharpcast and tend to ignore it since the long cast times make it difficult to weave Sharpcast in. Aetherial Manipulation is horrible on controller. Between the lines is nice but it's only there when you have Leylines which is once very 120s.

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You use sharpcast as the first thing in your opener, and then weave it every time you switch from Fire to Ice (as this is always a short cast). Aetherial Manipulation is fine to use on a controller, even more so if you run with premades and thus know someone you can trust to be in the right place, and have them at the top of your party list.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Step 3. It is impossible to memorize every fight in this game. If you are only playing BLM in say Savage or Ultimate then sure. Memorizing the fight would be necessary but that's any job imo.

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I mean that's literally the point in Black Mage? Ask almost anyone what the difficulty of Black Mage is, and it's always that they have to have a good understanding of the fight mechanics in order to maintain uptime, possibly more than any other job.


I mean there are some legitimate issues with BLM, namely the absolutely horrendous dropoff of potency for Foul, and the cooldown change for Leylines blows, but most of the problems you listed can be overcome by just improving at the job.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

As someone who has little raiding experience on BLM and just plays the job once every 2 years:
Is that amount of mobility even legal on BLM?

Since I didn't cared much, I tried to keep triple cast for movement rather than for the rotation, I'm not sure if it's still supposed to be part of the rotation.
Results? I often sat on 2 charges, dynamisation and swiftcast.

Even when actively using the tools, I was often sitting on 1 stack of triple cast.

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If played optimally, you should only have one extra use of triplecast over a whole fight, and that's during the opener, as it should just be slammed on cooldown from then on; however that's in a perfect world when you know you can get away with it.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Speaking of switch to Ice, why doesn't switching just restore all your mp. So many times i've Switched to Ice and cast Ice 3 > Ice 4 only to still be at 6000 mp when I switch back to Fire.

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you need to throw in your Xenoglossy during Ice Phase then, it will always go to full MP

My only real complaint about BLM is the thunder spells. Do we really need ST and AOE versions of them? Can we not just have single version that does the same as ST but with reduced AOE like everything else? lol

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Originally Posted by battleshadow66

My only real complaint about BLM is the thunder spells. Do we really need ST and AOE versions of them? Can we not just have single version that does the same as ST but with reduced AOE like everything else? lol

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I kinda wish the Thunder spells were oGCD and didn't have a cast time. But I hate DoTs.

I've only really played black mage and it does hurt at the start learning a fight and knowing when you can go full attack. Once you do, you can melt things. The new skills and changes have DEFINITELY made things far easier for us too.

I enjoy other classes. I thought red mage was quite fun too. I'm just black mage at my core.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Just personal opinions here: I HATE it.

There is just so much movement in this game the fact that BLM has such long cast times even with things like Triple Cast or Swift Cast, they just are not enough. Often while leveling I found myself running out of movement abilities cause there was just so much movement on bosses.

The fact the Umbral Ice and Astral Fire buffs still have timers on them when so many timers on buffs were removed or extended is baffling to me. And if they run out your entire rotation just jams to a halt more than any other job. Personally I think the timers should be removed and the interaction of the spells enhanced. Like Fire > Fire 3 > Fire 4 or maybe Fire has 50% chance to proc Fire 3 and the same for Fire 3 and 4 or just something. People complain about Ruin spam on SMN but isn't just using Fire 4 twice or 3 times only to switch to Fire 1 until you run out of MP then switch and do the same with Ice the same as Ruin spam? Maybe they could make Scaith add 5s or refresh your Ice and Fire buffs or something?

Speaking of switch to Ice, why doesn't switching just restore all your mp. So many times i've Switched to Ice and cast Ice 3 > Ice 4 only to still be at 6000 mp when I switch back to Fire. And then there is Transpose. Why doesn't it give you as many stacks as you had or upgrade into Umbral Soul and just have Umbral Soul work even when you are in Fire.

Why does Flare have a, what is it 3.5s cast time? When Despair is only 2.5s. You end up spamming Flare 2 or 3 times at the end of your AoE rotation and the cast time is sooo horrendous some things either die before you cast and you can't switch targets during a cast so it gets interrupted and you have to start all over or just switch to Ice and start the AoE rotation all over.

Paradox is interesting and fun mechanic that gives you a reason to use Ice 1 during your Ice phase and is a good evolution to have to the switch from Fire and Ice for mp mechanic.

Anyway these are just my thoughts on BLM. Having suffered it to 90 I'll probably never play it over SMN or RDM for my dailies or anything. However I do hope other people enjoy it. Hope it fills the BLM fantasy for them like SMN does for me now. And I just wanted to vent a little. Thanks for listening. :)

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Oh good god. This is precisely why all the jobs are braindead now, because people can't handle a little skill ceiling in their gameplay. God forbid.

I would stick with SMN and your 2 button rotation with fancy particle effects. Since that seems more of what you're interested in than actually gameplay.

Try the Paradox rotation out

Blackmage is absolutely fine as it is now.

Like, back in heavensward ui and af had a timer and enochian had a separate timer as well. Back then you had to juggle both and if one of those went out, you basicly stopped dpsing.

This job has a history and if you have been there from the beginning then everything will feel organic and make sense

Beginners now have it a bit harder, since they dont see what actually changes and what purpose those things once had.

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

Just personal opinions here: I HATE it.
Anyway these are just my thoughts on BLM. Having suffered it to 90 I'll probably never play it over SMN or RDM for my dailies or anything. However I do hope other people enjoy it. Hope it fills the BLM fantasy for them like SMN does for me now. And I just wanted to vent a little. Thanks for listening. :)

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Without trying to say "git gud", BLM just might not be what you're looking for. It's the slowest job in terms of actions per minute in the game, and rewards fight knowledge and decision making more than most jobs because of this. That being said, it can still freely run around and cast for like 30 seconds straight using various tools in the kit, so it's about planning when to use your tools. BLM traditionally has, and still does, compete for the top damage slot in the game. The other casters don't compete with the melee like BLM does. Just because you found it too difficult or frustrating to enjoy doesn't mean the job is flawed.

Also, summoner can be played with a single button macro that only drops 1 GCD per minute. BLM isn't rocket surgery, but it is a slight bit ahead of summoner in terms of learning curve. This isn't a slight towards summoner, as I think the rework was largely successful at making the job better, but it definitely needs a few more buttons added in so that the gap between the skill floor and the skill ceiling is more than like five inches tall.

Honestly if you are having issues with lots of movement, use your xenoglossy to weave during those movements.
So long as you aren't "wasting" xenos by allowing them to stack beyond 2, you should be able to weave them for your movement.
Same for the new Paradox spell during your Umbral ice.
BLM has generally always had a bit of a rough time, but I do think they've hit a good spot in maintaining the turret identity while providing enough tools for movement.