[Ending Spoilers] Setting of the final, final fight

The final fight with Zenos at the very end of Endwalker was exactly what I was hoping for, and yet there are some things I have questions about still...

Where are we fighting?

During our fight with the Endsinger, we fly on the back of Shinryu off into the depths of the universe, where it's safe to say that we definitely aren't in the weird Dead Ends blue-slime pocket dimension anymore... And afterwards we fly into darkness and get dropped off onto... an endless, shimmering blue plane in the middle of nothingness. The weather is just described as "Ultimatum," but that's about as descriptive as "Climactic," "Termination," or "Tension..."

Are we standing on the outer rim of the Universe? Inside or outside?

Meteion flies off into the depths of space toward the Ragnarok, so it's safe to assume we're nowhere near Ultima Thule anymore...

Up until this point I could reasonably think of where exactly we were... Eden's Promise was fought inside of Eden, Hades was fought in the skies above his recreation of Ethyris, the Cloud of Darkness was fought in a different shard... but with Zenos? We're just on the 'Ultimatum' somewhere in 'God Knows Where.'

Is it just a climax contrivance where the sheer weight of the story conjures up a perfect stage for a clash that will scorch even the stars?

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

Where are we fighting?

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In space. The floor is made of dynamis, probably.

We're fighting inside the physical manifestation of Zenos' wet dream. Or that's how it comes across anyway.

You're literally standing on Zenos's solidified desire to 1v1 you.

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Originally Posted by kejakalope

You're literally standing on Zenos's solidified desire to 1v1 you.

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Originally Posted by StriderShinryu

We're fighting inside the physical manifestation of Zenos' wet dream. Or that's how it comes across anyway.

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At least the floor is blue and not white. *shudder*

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

The final fight with Zenos at the very end of Endwalker was exactly what I was hoping for, and yet there are some things I have questions about still...

Where are we fighting?

During our fight with the Endsinger, we fly on the back of Shinryu off into the depths of the universe, where it's safe to say that we definitely aren't in the weird Dead Ends blue-slime pocket dimension anymore... And afterwards we fly into darkness and get dropped off onto... an endless, shimmering blue plane in the middle of nothingness. The weather is just described as "Ultimatum," but that's about as descriptive as "Climactic," "Termination," or "Tension..."

Are we standing on the outer rim of the Universe? Inside or outside?

Meteion flies off into the depths of space toward the Ragnarok, so it's safe to assume we're nowhere near Ultima Thule anymore...

Up until this point I could reasonably think of where exactly we were... Eden's Promise was fought inside of Eden, Hades was fought in the skies above his recreation of Ethyris, the Cloud of Darkness was fought in a different shard... but with Zenos? We're just on the 'Ultimatum' somewhere in 'God Knows Where.'

Is it just a climax contrivance where the sheer weight of the story conjures up a perfect stage for a clash that will scorch even the stars?

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The Earth World is flat!

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Originally Posted by Jandor

In space. The floor is made of dynamis, probably.

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That's what I was thinking too. All the leftover dynamis from your fight with the Endsinger, solidified - first to give Meteion a platform to communicate with you, then lit up with Zenos' desire to have a fight with you among the stars.

I just really wish it hadn't happened at all. I am sure people are going to tell me how incredible Zenos is supposed to be as a villain but I was just so sick of him and his motivations and "conflict" with us just seemed so trivial the entire time. He didn't even make a good foil to our hero if that was what he was supposed to be. He talked about how much alike we are and that is absolutely untrue, not once has our motivation ever been shown to just be for the thrill of killing, or at least none that I can remember. Honestly I just wish he had stayed dead.

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Originally Posted by SieyaM

I just really wish it hadn't happened at all. I am sure people are going to tell me how incredible Zenos is supposed to be as a villain but I was just so sick of him and his motivations and "conflict" with us just seemed so trivial the entire time. He didn't even make a good foil to our hero if that was what he was supposed to be. He talked about how much alike we are and that is absolutely untrue, not once has our motivation ever been shown to just be for the thrill of killing, or at least none that I can remember. Honestly I just wish he had stayed dead.

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I'm pretty sure his 'we are alike, you and I' schtick was supposed to be meta, referring more to the player than the character. In that regard, he's a great foil, similarly to how Fray kept invading your thoughts making your character think things similarly to what the player thinks, e.g. 'I wish I could punch this stupid guy in the face'

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

The final fight with Zenos at the very end of Endwalker was exactly what I was hoping for, and yet there are some things I have questions about still...

Where are we fighting?

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WoL Only. No Scions. Final Destination.

Most primals have shown some ability to warp the space around them to create a cooler battlefield. Zenos is Shinryu. Therefore, Zenos made a battlefield for literally no reason other than to give us something to stand on to fight him.

What concerns me the most is that we did not see his body return to the Aetherial Sea, that means….

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

What concerns me the most is that we did not see his body return to the Aetherial Sea, that means….

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Yep. Just like Gaius.

We've had other dead people before who didn't turn into aether (including Zenos himself). It's kind of inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

What concerns me the most is that we did not see his body return to the Aetherial Sea, that means….

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Bruh, Zenos using his fake Echo to take control of the Warrior of Light?

It was foretold when the WoL did Zenos' creepy smirk back at him during Ultimatum...

They're the same person! Soylent WoL is made of Zenos!

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Originally Posted by Hyperia

What concerns me the most is that we did not see his body return to the Aetherial Sea, that means….

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while it is scary possibility we can't forget that not everyone's body´is dissipates when the soul´s returns to the Aetherial sea