Wind-Up Moenbryda Description

With regards to the Wind-Up Moenbryda minion, I feel the description isn’t appropriate considering the context and development we’re given for her relationship with Urianger in Endwalker. Not only does it feel insulting to their beautiful dynamic and her memory, it also feels degrading to Urianger who clearly respects Moenbryda far more than this description would let on. Please consider changing it to be more appropriate!

The description currently reads as follows: This anatomically accurate representation of Moenbryda was secretly crafted by none other than Urianger immediately following the untimely passing of his beloved companion. What he did with it before it passed to your hands is a tale best left untold.

I agree, especially since the translations in other languages make no such mention of... anything like that.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...nbryda_minion/

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Originally Posted by miragedive

With regards to the Wind-Up Moenbryda minion, I feel the description isn’t appropriate considering the context and development we’re given for her relationship with Urianger in Endwalker. Not only does it feel insulting to their beautiful dynamic and her memory, it also feels degrading to Urianger who clearly respects Moenbryda far more than this description would let on. Please consider changing it to be more appropriate!

The description currently reads as follows: This anatomically accurate representation of Moenbryda was secretly crafted by none other than Urianger immediately following the untimely passing of his beloved companion. What he did with it before it passed to your hands is a tale best left untold.

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So I went to the reddit thread about this same thing and I like how the change only needs to happen based on either the true intent when this description was made, or where your mind is at when you read it. Personally I'm a fan of one response that mentions he went out of his way to have multiple outfits for it and crafted miniature weapons to coordinate with the outfits while carrying it on his person, in a bag. Maybe he held it close when reading a book, to recapture those very same moments from their childhood? All easily things best left untold if left to Urianger.

I mean.. you can either think he did something inappropriate with the minion, or think he did very wholesome things with it, which may seem out of character(?), and would make that a tale best left untold. The latter can easily be my headcanon, as it's more likely something along those lines for this character.

Tldr; all depends on where your head is at, but ultimately I feel the description is fine. That's just me though. It doesn't have to allude to something vile, but could just as easily be referring to something heart warming and wholesome.

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

So I went to the reddit thread about this same thing and I like how the change only needs to happen based on either the true intent when this description was made, or where your mind is at when you read it. Personally I'm a fan of one response that mentions he went out of his way to have multiple outfits for it and crafted miniature weapons to coordinate with the outfits while carrying it on his person, in a bag. Maybe he held it close when reading a book, to recapture those very same moments from their childhood? All easily things best left untold if left to Urianger.

I mean.. you can either think he did something inappropriate with the minion, or think he did very wholesome things with it, which may seem out of character(?), and would make that a tale best left untold. The latter can easily be my headcanon, as it's more likely something along those lines for this character.

Tldr; all depends on where your head is at, but ultimately I feel the description is fine. That's just me though. It doesn't have to allude to something vile, but could just as easily be referring to something heart warming and wholesome.

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Normally I would agree to leave things up to interpretation, but considering the tone of the description and also the trend in that sort of "phase" for slyly inserted jokes, it seems painfully obvious that it's not exactly wholesome. Especially when, looking at the Reddit post above, the JP text translates to something along the lines of: A magical doll modeled after Moenbryda. Urianger created this doll by himself in secret in order to sort out the feelings he did not realize he had until after her death. No doubt the doll's gentle expression is a recreation of what he saw on her face whenever she looked at him.

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Originally Posted by miragedive

Normally I would agree to leave things up to interpretation, but considering the tone of the description and also the trend in that sort of "phase" for slyly inserted jokes, it seems painfully obvious that it's not exactly wholesome. Especially when, looking at the Reddit post above, the JP text translates to something along the lines of: A magical doll modeled after Moenbryda. Urianger created this doll by himself in secret in order to sort out the feelings he did not realize he had until after her death. No doubt the doll's gentle expression is a recreation of what he saw on her face whenever she looked at him.

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I read the same and it just comes off as it being a matter of where your head is at. I see him sorting his feelings out via wholesome methods, which would better align with the character that we've come to know. Ultimately it depends on what the translation team was going for with this, or someone more official will need chime in, though this seems like a nothing sort of request. I respect your opinion though.

I've been meaning to make a post about this. It was already an unpleasantly innuendo-laced description when Urianger was just that weird guy in the corner who delivers wordy exposition sometimes, but now that he's a really active and developed character it's even worse. It doesn't fit with how he's portrayed and it seems disrespectful to both him and Moenbryda.

The writers have revised text before where they've realised it's inappropriate, and I hope they'll at least consider this one.

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Originally Posted by KaitoAsaha

I mean.. you can either think he did something inappropriate with the minion, or think he did very wholesome things with it...

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As a general rule, if there's an innocent and a "naughty" reading to be found in the same text, it's highly unlikely that you're supposed to take the innocent reading as the truth.

You can't seriously look at the claim that what someone did with an "anatomically accurate" doll is a "tale best left untold" and say that the reader should give equal weight to the possibility that this was a wholesome incident.

Urianger is a man of secrets, what- you think he jacked off to it by the English description? It'd be pretty embarrassing if one found out that the dude poured his heart out to the doll and decided to... you know, NOT tell the WoL or anyone else on the matter.
Its best left untold, cause grief is very personal. Anatomically correct- because he was very close to her and he's a guy who takes in the details.
Its like saying "A picture of Minfillia owned by Thancred, the frames of the picture seems to still be wet" and suddenly someone just goes "OH HE DID IT TO THE PICTURE!" instead of just understanding that he might have just looked at it and cried on it to pass on grief.

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Originally Posted by Snazzington

Anatomically correct- because he was very close to her and he's a guy who takes in the details.

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"This perfectly detailed representation" would say that much better without being perverse.

Let's not pretend it isn't purposely suggestive or that whoever localized it didn't understand what they were implying. The word choices scream an intent to direct the reader's mind to the perverse. There is no context in English-speaking cultures where one makes a point to pair "anatomically correct" with a phrase equivalent to "don't ask about it" where someone doesn't intend either (a) to make a joke of the perverse or (b) to be unironic about the sexuality of the situation.

Well I'm not pretending to be innocent, I just honestly don't see a problem with it.
like its never been an issue, up until I found this thread,
and seeing the context and the characters related- I just find it weird how you'd even find the preverse "details" inside the description when the character in question is by far no where NEAR that type of desperation nor defilement.
Like, look at Urianger, and look at the description- he'd be the dude to say how something doth be anatomically correct.
I'm literally looking at this in universe, without throwing some real world context into it.
like if this really bothers people, then why aren't there more threads talking about the multiple usages of "Bossom" and "Breast" but take offence that "anatomically correct" was used with "Best left unspoken".


Oh whats the point... everyone will be inclined to look at the more preverse side at this point anyways.

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Originally Posted by Snazzington

why aren't there more threads talking about the multiple usages of "Bossom" and "Breast" but take offence that "anatomically correct" was used with "Best left unspoken".

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Bossoms, breasts, and anatomical correctness are not on their own perverse. But when you pair one with an obvious bait like "What he did with it before it passed to your hands is a tale best left untold", you are directing the reader to interpret the previous phrase in a perverse context. There are only two possible conclusions from the choice to phrase the description like this:

A) The writer is being intentionally perverse.
or B) The writer is incompetent.

If we assume the writer is competent, then they must have chosen their words to purposely lead the reader to a perverse conclusion.

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Oh whats the point... everyone will be inclined to look at the more preverse side at this point anyways.

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Because it's purposely perverse.

mild Endwalker spoilers I guess?

I recently made a statement about this one on Twitter, and I completely agree. For me, this description was a slow burn hate for me. When I first saw it, Urianger's character had only gotten a little bit of development (warriors of darkness and minfilia thing had just happened) so I remember finding it kinda funny and thinking "LOL they're really trying to go there huh? But I'll just assume he cried like a baby over it" and I left it at that for a time. Then came more character development for Urianger... a heavy amount of it, and he became literally my most beloved character in the game EASILY. There's no way this man that's like the embodiment of kindness would ever do anything even close to what that description implies.... so I got more annoyed at it. But that's not where it ends

This game has been building a beautiful narrative of Moenbryda and Urianger's friendship/love this entire time. He always mentioned her at least 1-2 times in each expansion if you took the care to talk to him between quests and things...and then Endwalker came at us and tackled our feels with THAT SCENE. If you know, you know. It's so sweet, and pure.... --and then there's that minion description that's like an ugly tarnish on the entire thing. I try to forget it exists, but every time I look at the minion I see it. Every time a streamer gets to that part of the game and gets Moenbryda minion I see half their chatroom going "LOL check the description!" because they KNOW it's meant to sound disgusting. I see posts on Twitter all the time about it. It's surprising how many people legitimately believe that description is cannon and definitely took it the perverted way.

I'm sure people are thinking "you're just butthurt because it's your favorite character!" Heh... you'd be surprised the crazy things about Urianger I will like and retweet on Twitter because I think they're funny. People calling him a slut or whore because his ankles showed for instance. They're clearly jokes, but the difference between those things is they are online in a space with fans. That content is not on an official item description in the game. That description makes people actually think my favorite character is a creep. I can't just tell them "No, Urianger never made a Moenbryda sex toy, only a cute little minion doll" because they can literally respond with "He did! Just check the description" and that's not cool to me. So there you have it. An item description I thought was kinda funny at first is actually now extremely loathed by me to the point I want it changed.

I typed too much for 1 post. Here's the last thing that angers me about the description. In every single other language the description is along the line of this: "A magical doll modeled after Moenbryda. It seems that Urianger had made it alone in secret to sort through the feelings he only realized once she was lost. The gentle look on her face is likely meant to imitate the face she showed him". So they got rid of everything sweet and loving about the description --recreating her gentle expression, and his sadness over her loss-- to be replaced with 'anatomically correct'. They make sure to leave in that it was created by Urianger and 'what he did with it is best left unsaid'. For what reason? We all know the reason.

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Originally Posted by Ari_Juna

So they got rid of everything sweet and loving about the description --recreating her gentle expression, and his sadness over her loss-- to be replaced with 'anatomically correct'. They make sure to leave in that it was created by Urianger and 'what he did with it is best left unsaid'. For what reason? We all know the reason.

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This is what really bugs me about it too. It's not just the innuendo but the loss of the text emphasising his feelings and the effect that her death has on him. It takes away something quiet and emotional and replaces it with a cheap "ew, gross" reaction.

Not really about the translation, but an additional lore-thought on the doll itself (as recounted by the Japanese version) - photos don't seem to exist in Eorzea so the only way you can record the image of a person is through art, so making the doll would be a real important thing of recalling that memory of her face and trying to capture it. Particularly since her sacrifice meant she just dissolved entirely into aether with no body left behind.

I just wanted to update this thread with a heartfelt thank you to the localisation team. It means the world to know that we are heard, and that our concerns (be they voiced here or on other social media sites) are taken into account. The change in the Wind-Up Moenbryda’s description is beautifully done and covers every concern we’ve mentioned both here and elsewhere.

For those wondering, the new description reads:

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This finely detailed tribute to Moenbryda was crafted in secret by none other than Urianger following the untimely passing of his beloved companion. Though known for her warm and jovial nature, the resolve within this doll’s eyes perhaps speaks to the strength he admired.

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Thank you so much again to the localisation team!