ummm what? geeze.
So no Job changes or addressed in 6.01?
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12-21-2021, 01:15 PMDES_VIISo no Job changes or addressed in 6.01?
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12-21-2021, 01:45 PMAelin_Ashryver
Probably come savage some minor balance changes, it would be pretty short notice for changes atm I think.. they were right down to the wire for EW release so I can only imagine it is the same for the raid etc.
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12-21-2021, 01:47 PMDoozer
It would likely come in 6.05 or 6.1. I wouldn't be surprised if they needed time to find the right balance with all the new skills and jobs now that everyone has had a chance to play them. They can't simply go "yeah just add 10 potency to this or whatever". Then people would just complain about that too.
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12-21-2021, 01:49 PMDES_VII
You've got separate teams working on these things and to address them. Even if they are far behind what is important is addressing Jobs before a raid release. Isn't this the first .01 patch with no job changes? I get what your saying but this just shows me yeah maybe EW should have been pushed even later. Or just give us a release with tons of things that need to be addressed. At the end of the day it is a business. Oh well was hoping for NIN, SMN, PLD, WM maybe SAM updates.
But I guess you could argue yeah some jobs are a bit off but are pretty balanced and not insane off. -
12-21-2021, 01:51 PMDuskane
they changed SCH broil sound thats a job adjustments
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12-21-2021, 01:53 PMDES_VII
Hey I mean when your right your right, a sound change. Eh who needs potency, just better audio.
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12-21-2021, 02:03 PMDoozerThey didn't say "who needs potency", they just said that changing the skill sound is technically a job change.Quote:
Originally Posted by DES_VII
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12-21-2021, 02:06 PMRolder50Those small potency adjustments are what they should be doing though. Bring Dancer, Summoner, and Paladin in line with their respective roles for savage. Rotational stuff can wait until later (much as I'd love rotational adjustments for Summoner).Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
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12-21-2021, 02:11 PMDES_VIINo kidding, I guess the joke flew over your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
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12-21-2021, 02:13 PMDES_VIIEXACTLY. That's what I'm saying. Oh well lets enjoy the still unfinished EW. I guess 21 days of free gameplay makes up for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50
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12-21-2021, 02:15 PMDoozerThere's nothing that says they aren't currently doing them. It's just that they haven't been added in 6.01. Also isn't Savage in 6.05, not 6.01?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolder50
You really don't need to be so aggressive.Quote:
Originally Posted by DES_VII
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12-21-2021, 02:19 PMForteNightshadeIf they wait until 6.1 to buff jobs like SMN and NIN, they'll basically be locked out of the raid tier for months. We've seen this song and dance before. Players will refuse to bring jobs that are woefully underperforming. Even DNC, PLD and DRG are not in a good spot but certainly better than the former two. 6.05 has to see some pretty sizable adjustments.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
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12-21-2021, 02:23 PMDoozerWell, good thing I said 6.05 as well, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
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12-21-2021, 02:38 PMDES_VIIAgreed, but I feel you can still find groups, are you going to wanted more? Nope. Why bring SMN when you have RDM that is basically a wm and blm combined almost. why bring ninja at all when you have RPR, SAM. But going through parses I went through tons. Ppl do bring all classes, just depends the group Am I going to be more outcasted yep. But I'm not going to change a job I like even underperforming for someone else. Unless I was in a static.Quote:
Originally Posted by ForteNightshade
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12-21-2021, 02:47 PMgumas
*The sound effect of the scholar action Broil IV has been adjusted*
so they can change the broil 4 sound effect after short complain, but cant change the gunbreaker sword hit sound effect after almost 2 years of complain =/ -
12-21-2021, 03:13 PMAwarewolfI don’t know what the Gunbreaker sound is like. But the Broil one sounded like a male lalafel being broiled.Quote:
Originally Posted by gumas
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12-21-2021, 04:13 PMKolsykolWat...Quote:
Originally Posted by Duskane
I thought it sounded great...
I haven't heard it yet but I hope it isn't GNB all over again I still hate the new sound. -
12-21-2021, 04:28 PMHysterior
Don't they usually do changes when Savage start?
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12-21-2021, 04:41 PMHyoMinParkFirst round of job changes for a new expansion comes in the x.05 patch. Not the x.01 patch. So, when Savage drops in two weeks is when you can expect to see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by DES_VII
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12-21-2021, 04:45 PMKolsykol
Well guess it's gonna be 99% Reaper fotm for two weeks then.
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12-21-2021, 05:14 PMCKNovel
5.01 only had minor potency changes and mana cost adjustments.
I don't expect a lot from next patch except adjusments on SMN and possibly a nerf on RPR healing. -
12-21-2021, 05:26 PMLuxxons
I wouldn't count on job changes at this point in time.
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12-21-2021, 05:42 PMMagiusNecros
Job changes would probably take place after 6.05 IMO.
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12-21-2021, 08:40 PMgumasgunbreaker wield sword, so you can expect how they sound like. but instead, they make gunbreaker sword sound like you hit something with a baseball bat, like iam not joking, just change to GNB and do 1-2-3 combo on dummy, it sound exactly like that lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Awarewolf
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12-22-2021, 12:34 AMForteNightshadeDon't be pedantic. You said 6.05 or 6.1. Hence my response that it has to be the earlier option so certain jobs don't rot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doozer
This is more so due to the easy nature of launch EXs. People tend to get far more picky come Savage, though I don't doubt you'll be able to find groups. After all, WHM managed in the bygone era of HW and SB. It just wasn't fun being asked to constantly play the better job.Quote:
Originally Posted by DES_VII
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12-22-2021, 12:36 AMScuoll
Current balance is honestly not good, i am pretty new to the game but i really hope they are not just going to leave jobs as they currently are, current data available to players such as fflogs is not perfect and 100% indicative of balance for sure, but it most certainly means something.
Reaper is just the grossest example, being the best job in the game damage wise while also having the best utility for a melee is just unfair, while ALSO being one of the easiest jobs to play, which you can pretty safely assume by looking at percentile rankings on fflogs where the gain from an average reaper to a good one is relatively small, while the ceiling is as high as sam/blm/monk. It just has everything going for it, which i think ironically is also bad for the reaper playerbase, as what would already be an already popular job just for fantasy and looks/animations alone, is also overpowered in every regard with no real weakness, making it even harder to get into groups/find a static if you would like to main reaper, of course it shouldnt be bad but id say it really shouldnt be the best by far.
If you compare reaper to something like dragoon or ninja the situation is pretty unacceptable for how streamlined class design is, the jobs with animation locks, no group defensive utility, and in the case of dragoon not even a defensive skill, have a significantly lower rdps contribution, by around 5%, while also being harder to play. Its also not a hard problem to fix, potency changes would help a lot, at least narrowing the margins between the melees would be a start if playstyle changes have to wait. Its just bad balancing if the jobs with less or no utility are also undertuned damage wise, and seeing no changes is pretty disheartening, is there really a need for more data when its pretty clear reaper's personal dps is close to samurai while their raid cd is as good as battle litany?
Other than reaper the other big outlier is red mage, it just seems weird to see the job with the best utility, (res + magick barrier + addle) in the game also deal so much damage, in particular in relation to summoner but also other jobs in general, red mage is also better than ninja and dragoon.
Not sure what to say about physical ranged as from what i understand they are supposed to deal less damage in exchange for uptime, but dancer looks really bad on those graphs for sure.
Not going to comment on healers/tanks as i really dont know how much dps matters in relation to their ability to heal/stay alive.
Overall, i really hope the standard for balance is not "the job can clear" because if that is the case, if the bottom of the pack jobs can currently clear, the best ones make it significantly easier, and with challenging content the path of least resistance is always prioritized. -
12-23-2021, 12:08 AMKolsykol
Tbh I can't wait for Reaper to get nerfed.
It's honestly a bit disgusting to me how easy it is to play and the numbers it's pulling, it's not fair on any level.
Call it petty but there's a level of irritation there too because it's the fotm and how flashy and new it is.
So it's kinda annoying to see people jump on the bandwagon and pull big numbers with ease.
And I do think that skill floor and effort should be taken into consideration in terms of how much damage they deal too, I think it's especially unfair when comparing them to DRG which is suffering heavily atm.
In all honesty to some extent I'd even think it'd be a bit unfair if it was on par with DRG but it should at least be around that area.
It's even easier than SAM even tho SAM was simplified and given fail safes with the extra stacks too.
Even if you drift on SAM now it's not going to be a big deal.
Same with RDM, a Job with that much utility and relative ease of play shouldn't be pulling those numbers. -
12-23-2021, 12:18 AMssunny2008Don´t forget SAGE... i really wonder why SMN isn´t big shit imo. Obviously every other new or big reworked class is overtuned and easy to play to get ppl into them. SE must have been like "Hey it got animations, that should be enough!" (and an afk carbuncle)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolsykol
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12-23-2021, 05:10 AMMagiusNecros
I expect Reaper nerfs. With my melds I'm pretty sure with Death's Design debuff I have a passive +20% damage(not really sure how Det damage increase and the DD debuff work together) and have a DH rate of 35.8%.
Potencies are very bloated I feel. And they can be quite survivable with skillful use of Arcane Crest and Bloodbath in pretty much any content. Even in level 90 content. Could probably clear most fights with Reaper and a Warrior(who defensuvely I feel is very overtuned).
And given Harpe you can attack from anywhere and always have a way to do damage in a fight.
Hellsgate let's you easily avoid most mechanics that require movement too or even spot dodge if necessary.
Very strong job. And the job is very engaging and fun I feel. So fun that most other jobs are boring to play leaving you with little desire to play anything else.
Kinda same thing with Warrior since sustain and defensives IMO outclass the others by a large margin. If you know how to play a defensive tank you are very likely to not die and can probably heal better then the healer yourself by just doing damage And can guarantee crit heals on demand.