monk vs garuda

used monk in a garuda pt last night instead of blm. dd was great and nonstop. only thing is is that debuffs dont land. if they did it would make this fight more controlled. anyways, just been figuring out new ways to defeat garuda. any ideas, suggestion, and info is greatly welcomed and appreciated.

/wave Vegeta

Yeah the DD was pretty great last night, but I mean it's a Final Fantasy game, it's almost expected that all bosses are highly resistant/immune to status effects. Either that or they have one key weakness, but of course if that were the case in an MMO then people would build parties around that and only use that strategy. Oh wait.

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Originally Posted by Zyph

/wave Vegeta

Yeah the DD was pretty great last night, but I mean it's a Final Fantasy game, it's almost expected that all bosses are highly resistant/immune to status effects. Either that or they have one key weakness, but of course if that were the case in an MMO then people would build parties around that and only use that strategy. Oh wait.

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since mobs gain resist to debuffs now i think they should allow debuffs to land on primals now.

The debuffs probably do land, just run out too fast. From what I've saw on mini-Garuda (have yet to go into hard mode), Garuda doesn't move as chaotically as Moogles, so our range isn't a problem. And we take less damage if we happen to land on the wrong side of Garuda's attacks. BLMs don't really have an advantage there since the attack hits no matter how far away you are and it's faster to change sides if you're close to her. IDK if the BLMs I was were not giving their best, but I had to slow down a few times because I just kept stealing hate from the WAR.

I do think there will be other setups after her Aerial Blast exploit is patched. (Which should be... today?)

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

The debuffs probably do land, just run out too fast. From what I've saw on mini-Garuda (have yet to go into hard mode), Garuda doesn't move as chaotically as Moogles, so our range isn't a problem. And we take less damage if we happen to land on the wrong side of Garuda's attacks. BLMs don't really have an advantage there since the attack hits no matter how far away you are and it's faster to change sides if you're close to her. IDK if the BLMs I was were not giving their best, but I had to slow down a few times because I just kept stealing hate from the WAR.

I do think there will be other setups after her Aerial Blast exploit is patched. (Which should be... today?)

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if you wanna test landing debuffs, use a bard. Geared right they will have the highest piety which will be the best for landing a debuff. If theirs dont land then dont count on anyone else's landing either.

(unless of course the mob being tested has high resist to a particular debuff being used in testing)

hopefully people will be willing to try other things after the adjustments made for her today.

Thank you OP. As a dedicated Monk who kept getting told that "You're not BLM, you can't fight Garuda" I was getting pretty bummed. I'm glad people are willing to try new things.

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Originally Posted by LlenCoram

Thank you OP. As a dedicated Monk who kept getting told that "You're not BLM, you can't fight Garuda" I was getting pretty bummed. I'm glad people are willing to try new things.

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I'm sure that will change after today!

I've changed my mind on the garuda exploit. With most primals/boss battles we've done it first for the challenge trying different setups and strategies, then later on we've just moved to the easiest one to farm it. With the exploit we've just done things the other way round, now we have the fun of working out how to do the fight with the various jobs we want to play. Personally my favourite job is monk and I'm really looking forward to putting my garudas van away and trying it as a mnk.

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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That's part of the strategy, using DRG's Ring of Talons to help kill plumes.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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Of course, quite well in fact. I posted some of my impressions as DRG vs Garuda on this thread http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...l=1#post679648 The parser Logs are from fights BEFORE i killed her for the first time, but the kill parser looked almost the same. On monday we got our firstkill inluding speedrun with a setup of: 1x WHM, 1x DRG, 2x BRD, 2x BLM, 2x WAR

I think the DRG has better AOE capabilities and longer range then MNK as, thats especially usefull on this fight. First phase i only dps'ed on Garuda, ignoring the plumes tho, as the BLMs did. Second to third phases i nuked the plumes aswell, when they spawned.

Monk is great against the Garuda but not so much the Plumes. From what I've seen, using the elemental fists drastically drops your damage on the plumes as it converts your damage to an elemental type. Not only that but we've only got one AoE on a 40 second recast.

It's not MNK's job to kill the plumes, we'd have to turn fists of fire down for that (you don't expect BLMs to kill the plume either, them being resistant to magic). Other classes should be doing this, 1vs1 is what Monks are best at. People are just afraid of replacing one of their BLMs with a MNK because "it's less stable" "not being done that way" or "MNK is not useful in this".

Actually, MNK is great on her clone bc, with fists up, it damages her. It really is a nice fight for MNK ^^

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

The debuffs probably do land, just run out too fast. From what I've saw on mini-Garuda (have yet to go into hard mode), Garuda doesn't move as chaotically as Moogles, so our range isn't a problem. And we take less damage if we happen to land on the wrong side of Garuda's attacks. BLMs don't really have an advantage there since the attack hits no matter how far away you are and it's faster to change sides if you're close to her. IDK if the BLMs I was were not giving their best, but I had to slow down a few times because I just kept stealing hate from the WAR.

I do think there will be other setups after her Aerial Blast exploit is patched. (Which should be... today?)

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Garuda is a fickle mistress and will turn on a dime at the slightest movement of the tank ;p

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

It's not MNK's job to kill the plumes, we'd have to turn fists of fire down for that (you don't expect BLMs to kill the plume either, them being resistant to magic). Other classes should be doing this, 1vs1 is what Monks are best at. People are just afraid of replacing one of their BLMs with a MNK because "it's less stable" "not being done that way" or "MNK is not useful in this".

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I agree, that's actually the same conclusion I came to with a group of friends. We figure BLM and MNK play roughly the same role and are mostly interchangeable in that fight. Other physical DDs can handle the plumes, that's what they're best at.

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Originally Posted by Krausus

Garuda is a fickle mistress and will turn on a dime at the slightest movement of the tank ;p

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And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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I wasnt emphasizing that you shouldn't take a monk, I'm all for it. You stated you havent done big garuda and it seemed like she didnt move around as much as moogles (would seem that way when the fight lasts a fraction of the time as the big one). I was simply informing you she does move a lot because the tank is moving a lot since you where uninformed. That IMO still isnt a reason not to take monk, monk is fine so stop being so defensive.

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

And again, this is overemphasized. That's like arguing BLMs will run out of MP and will have to rest, even with convert, so they are useless toward the end of the fight.

Even should I miss one skill, I have 2 other combos to fall back upon, and if those are on cooldown, you still have 2 AA boost skills (one being 15 min cd) + invigorate to get your TP to 3k pretty fast and still deal damage.

As I already said, her movement is nowhere near as chaotic as moogles, which makes it even easier.

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You should actually be doing hard mode so your opinions reflect what everyone else is talking about. Your talking about easy mode and everyone else is talking about hard mode, two really different things. It's really gonna get confusing when your discussing strat on two different fights.

I was in hard mode, but not as MNK (WHM), I did state that in another thread but forgot to mention it here, sorry.

So yes, I saw the fight in hard mode. And I still think it's not an issue, even the teleports, mainly because you have to reposition yourself no matter if you are melee or ranged, and being closer to her is an advantage because you can move behind her faster.

As for turning, it's all about timing and predicting. I rarely miss a combo even soloing and that's harder than if a tank is present imho.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

what about DRG vs Garuda? should work also.

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we used drg last night as well for the plumes and it worked out pretty well. i think he used leg sweep. not sure exactly.

see what i did as mnk was use back attacks to trigger the combos and when those combos were on cd i quickly jumped in front of her to start the frontal combo and continued on from there. thats why isaid its non stop dd and when u get hit its not huge so second wind usually will give u full hp again. im not saying that blm arent good in this fight, im saying that its another option. plus mnks dont have to really worry about mp cept when using abilities which doesnt take very much. anyways keep the info and suggestions comming. im soaking everything up.

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Originally Posted by vageta666

plus mnks dont have to really worry about mp cept when using abilities which doesnt take very much.

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With ballad of magi you don't really have to worry about mp, especially with the second rear combo giving you about 200-300mp back from sucker punch.

Not sure what you mean by "except when using abilities"

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Originally Posted by vageta666

we used drg last night as well for the plumes and it worked out pretty well. i think he used leg sweep. not sure exactly.

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I used Ring of Talons, and I'm glad it worked well, I thought it wasn't going so good.

One thing DRG as second phy DD is how to control Chirada. WAR, with all the vokes and collusion, can hold Chirada for long enough to keep BLMs alive, but you if DRG can't do that, 800 a hit is tough for BLM to handle.

MNK instead of BLM on Garuda is not optimal, but it can be done.

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One thing DRG as second phy DD is how to control Chirada. WAR, with all the vokes and collusion, can hold Chirada for long enough to keep BLMs alive, but you if DRG can't do that, 800 a hit is tough for BLM to handle.

MNK instead of BLM on Garuda is not optimal, but it can be done.

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I'm still trying to make out whatever it is you said.