Should players be rewarded for not using 3rd party tools to circumvent the afk timer?

Trust me when I say, square enix knows exactly who has used 3rd party tools and who is using antiafk scripts and plugins.
Instead of punishing players for doing so or not doing anything at all, how about reward the players who have not contributed to the congestion and have played fairly?
Give us an exclusive accessory or something that is not very noticeable like a title or an achievement, something to indicate that we didn't choose the easy way.

This is like giving someone a prize for not speeding. No. Just no.

Break the rules, you get in trouble if you're caught. If you're not caught, congrats, you're good at being a cheater.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

This is like giving someone a prize for not speeding. No. Just no.

Break the rules, you get in trouble if you're caught. If you're not caught, congrats, you're good at being a cheater.

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yes? here in europe if you don't speed or get a ticket for 1 year since the issuing of your driver's license, you get extra points up to 15 points
a max points driver's license enjoys advantages such as a discount on the mandatory car insurance and other stuff

I would receive such a bonus should one exist, but my answer is no. The reward players get for not breaking the rules is not having action taken on their account. Nothing more.

Terrible idea, no just no.

Nope. The reward is not using bots and risking an account ban. This is just...unnecessary.

The problem is that they cannot detect every program. Without checking your machine for all the processes running -- which is not looked kindly on by privacy advocates in general, and verges on illegal in some places -- they're going to be unable to determine that you're running a specific program save by looking for certain tells. Stuff like, are the keyboard presses coming solely through key events but not if they double-check via DirectInput, or whatever? Is someone in their house for 2 hours straight with only movement, no actions used? Etc.

And as soon as they find one way to detect the tools, some jackass is going to come up with a new method and the devs have to go right back to figuring out how to detect that.

Even without the software problems, you could have someone out there who'll come up with some convoluted method like using a little robotic arm to waggle the joystick around and make them run around a marketplace jumping like a lunatic, thus being indistinguishable (from a software standpoint) from an actual player waggling their controller joystick around and jumping like a lunatic.

And if you think "moving a joystick around with a robotic arm is way more effort than anyone would go to"... I mean, someone made an adapter to let them play AST cards by drawing cards from a Yu-Gi-Oh card device, and the same person wrote a dancer interface where you could trigger your dance steps via computer vision by dancing in real life in front of a Kinect camera. Heck, I myself wrote a thing that let me use my actual MIDI keyboard as an input for Bard performance mode, largely because I wanted to see if I could come up with a feasible way to generate psuedo-chords on-the-fly when I pressed multiple keys on the MIDI keyboard.

(For the record, I could not, at least not in a way that didn't sound horrible. Alas.)

People are resourceful and do crazy stuff just for fun, even without it being because they want to circumvent the AFK timer.

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Originally Posted by Packetdancer

the same person wrote a dancer interface where you could trigger your dance steps via computer vision by dancing in real life in front of a Kinect camera.

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That's actually quite creative on their part. lol If I was SE I wouldn't even be mad. I'd be impressed.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

Trust me when I say, square enix knows exactly who has used 3rd party tools and who is using antiafk scripts and plugins.
Instead of punishing players for doing so or not doing anything at all, how about reward the players who have not contributed to the congestion and have played fairly?
Give us an exclusive accessory or something that is not very noticeable like a title or an achievement, something to indicate that we didn't choose the easy way.

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If they could detect they would simply kick people. Your solution to the problem makes no sense.

I didnt murder anyone this year, wheres my annual "yey you're not a murderer cake"???

.. you ...

want a cookie for NOT breaking rules?

Welp.. that's where we are I guess.

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Originally Posted by LegendWait

If they could detect they would simply kick people. Your solution to the problem makes no sense.

I didnt murder anyone this year, wheres my annual "yey you're not a murderer cake"???

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Motions towards society You just, but maybe some of us do deserve cakes for that these days. Can I get a fruit plate instead?

Increasing rested xp accumulation on logout (as an "event") wouldn't be a bad idea. Everyone sleeps, and even those people who stay online 16 hours a day actively playing would benefit from the additional rested with so much stuff to level.

If you stay online for 24 hours, you'd miss out. If you afk bot through a workday, you'd miss out.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

That's actually quite creative on their part. lol If I was SE I wouldn't even be mad. I'd be impressed.

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Oh, Square-Enix demonstrably doesn't care about third-party tools that do stuff like that; it doesn't give some sort of gameplay advantage (honestly, it'd probably be a lot harder to play dancer that way) and they're really neat to see! Mad respect to the guy who made that dancer interface. (I did make a way to do dancer combos by playing chords on my MIDI keyboard -- since I couldn't make it work for Bard performance, I figured I might as well toy with my little tool further for a laugh -- but the Kinect-powered computer vision is just next-level creativity.)

They've even said outright that things like ReShade (or ports thereof like GShade or Nvidia Freestyle) are totally fine, as well; generally they're just for artistic work, or on occasion accessibility. For instance, I have a friend who is badly colorblind and uses a ReShade preset to color-shift the game such that they can actually see the different colors in color-dependent mechanics. And that's not something Square-Enix cares about.

So it's not that they universally hate all third-party tools. But they write the EULA very broadly -- as do many companies -- to say basically "if you use third-party tools we can ban you" because it means they don't have to revise the EULA every time some new tool (or new way to use a tool) that is problematic comes up. Which also means if you use a parser within your static to measure personal improvement and work on your raiding strategy, they can just turn a blind eye, but when you wield a parser like a weapon against other players ("Maybe if the black mage was doing higher DPS than the healer, we'd have a hope of getting out of this trial roulette sometime before next week!!") they can ban you.

Now that I've gotten wildly off-track from the original topic...

My point, however, was that you should never underestimate the ingenuity of people passionate about a game. Sometimes that ingenuity manifests in really neat (if niche) stuff like that frankly just plain brilliant dancer input tool, sometimes it manifests in less-innocuous stuff like AFK-prevention tools.

And in the latter case, it's all too easy to get into an escalating war with the folks writing those tools. I know this from painful personal experience, back when I worked on a gaming engine and got into that same escalation trying to prevent folks from writing aim-bot type tools; I'd do a thing, they'd find a new way, I'd prevent that thing, they'd find a third way, etc. There's no way that Square-Enix can reasonably prevent every single AFK-prevention tool -- nor, frankly, should they try to, because after a certain point you're much too far down that rabbit-hole and you're expending more effort on preventing things than it's worth.

But if you want to offer some sort of tangible reward for not cheating (as opposed to a punishment for cheating), you're going to also end up rewarding the people who did cheat but slipped through the cracks. Which only further incentivizes coming up with creative new ways to cheat the system, since now you not only have "stay online and avoid the queue" as a 'reward', but also an actual reward from the company in addition if you aren't caught.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Increasing rested xp accumulation on logout (as an "event") wouldn't be a bad idea. Everyone sleeps, and even those people who stay online 16 hours a day actively playing would benefit from the additional rested with so much stuff to level.

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We actually were tossing that idea around in my FC earlier this week, along with the idea of turning on rested XP outside of hubs. That way, if someone got disconnected while out in the field, couldn't log back in (because queue), and had to wait a long while before getting back on, they wouldn't be out all the rested XP they'd have had if they logged off in a hub.

I do think both of those things would be nice gestures, and -- as you point out -- by their very nature, they'd only be perks that the folks who do spend time offline would benefit from. If you want to reward/incentivize not using AFK-bypassing trickery, a passive benefit to being offline (like that) is better than an active award (like a title or minion or whatever).

You can't cheat that method, because even if you bypass the AFK check, by virtue of being online you've denied yourself the perk.

Not really, there's no way to prove they aren't using a third party tool, and we shouldn't reward people for not breaking ToS

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

Trust me when I say, square enix knows exactly who has used 3rd party tools and who is using antiafk scripts and plugins.
Instead of punishing players for doing so or not doing anything at all, how about reward the players who have not contributed to the congestion and have played fairly?
Give us an exclusive accessory or something that is not very noticeable like a title or an achievement, something to indicate that we didn't choose the easy way.

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Not needed at all.