I'm just starting to wonder how how illegal everything that's happening with this game actually is. Different countries have different laws but from where I'm standing it seems what's happening is fraud at best. You have a company very happy to take your money but only offers copium. Yhis reminds me of investment brokers having you invest 50k into a garbage can down the street. The reality is servers should have been boosted in stormblood. So I read all the posts about queues and 6 hrs here 5 hrs there, errors, kicked...thing is this isn't just simply waiting in line for your promised product when you have a sub ticking down. You are paying to stand in line for a maybe. I feel like this is ethically bankrupt and highly illegal despite they're warnings. If they were that concerned they would have capped pre orders etc. Right now my server has a 5600 queue. That's absolutely insane and I feel horrible for all those people trying to just play what they're paying for.
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12-15-2021, 11:55 AMRinaBBasic Business
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12-15-2021, 12:06 PMPredatoryCatgirl
If you seriously think this is illegal, talk to a lawyer and see if you have a case. Many lawyers will give you a consultation for free. Talking about it here does nothing, as very few people if any on this forum understand the law well enough to give you a straight answer.
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12-15-2021, 12:11 PMKes13a
accusing a company of illegal doings based on speculation in a public forum.
yes, definitely consult with a lawyer
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12-15-2021, 12:12 PMNafreyu
I don't think you have a case, but I acknowledge you are angry.
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12-15-2021, 12:15 PMBlud3y3zQuote:
Originally Posted by RinaB
Illegal? no. Ethically bankrupt? Bit extreme but kinda. They knew what the servers were going to be like in NA and EU. Maybe they had a bottom line to think of, or just didn't care outside of thier country. Who knows. I'm going with shameful -
12-15-2021, 12:19 PMKrojack
OP must have been living in a cage for the past 2 years and doesn't know about the massive world wide silicon shortage that has been going on.
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12-15-2021, 12:21 PMLeowyld
The ethics of the matter is arguable, literally. It'd be a subject of debate. And the queues are absolutely frustrating, no doubt on that. But it is definitely not illegal. Pretty much every online game has in its ToS/User Agreement (that you agree to) that access to service is not guaranteed. Compensation, when it happens, is generally a matter of establishing good will/defusing disgruntled fans - it's not a result of legal requirement.
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12-15-2021, 12:26 PMNanaWiloh
No online service promises 100% access 24/7. Courts no matter the country understand this as such this problem would need to persist for far far longer before you would have any chance at a winning case. Compensation, refunds and SE efforts to resolve it further make it unlikely of winning a case against them. As of the moment if you tried you would be left with your own court and lawyer fees alongside SE's.
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12-15-2021, 12:27 PMBlud3y3zSE must have been right next to them in the same cave I guess. Current servers can't handle a launch. Don't launch. Not hard to figure out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack
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12-15-2021, 12:28 PMPharisHanasakiYes, that makes so much sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 12:29 PMryouma17
these posts were entertaining the first week of the expansion launch but now their just annoying
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12-15-2021, 12:30 PMValkyrie_LennethThen you'd just be complaining they aren't adding new content, games dead, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 12:31 PMBlud3y3zMight want to get used to them or avoid these forums for a long while.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryouma17
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12-15-2021, 12:33 PMBlud3y3zNo, no I would not. I'm not ignorant. Shame on you for assuming so much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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12-15-2021, 12:40 PMGameoversAre you sure about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 12:42 PMKes13awell.. yes, you kind of are. because if you were around when they announced a two week delay, you would be VERY aware of the outcry and outrage at the delayQuote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 12:46 PMBlud3y3zThis is worse. Clearly.Quote:
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12-15-2021, 12:46 PMDBriggs304
Now this one is just funny as hell...
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12-15-2021, 12:51 PMKes13anot exactly. many people are in fact playing. the game is in fact stable. are there queues, yes. are there errors associated with waiting for hours in a queue? yes there is...Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
but people are playing and enjoying it.
so no, this is not worse.. clearly. if they delayed it you would be here complaining about "how can a major company miss a release date with BS about not enough capacity??? SE isnt an indie company!!! release NOW!!! I paid to be playing by this date... SE SUCKS!"
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12-15-2021, 12:52 PMPentheaSome people actively ignore this no matter how many times it's brought up. They keep saying SE have money so they obviously can fix the issue. They don't want to understand that you cannot buy something that doesn't exist. They don't want to understand that a pandemic further complicates this. They don't want to understand that the WoW exodus to this game happened at the worst possible time. They don't want explanations. They just want things fixed right now and no amount of excuses or reasons will get through to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Krojack
I'm not saying I'm happy about any of this but I don't see the point in getting angry with SE over something they literally cannot fix and is entirely out of their hands. God they even cannibalised their own dev back-up servers to help with the queues. That's how bad it is. They have literally put their development at risk just to allow more players online. And yet many people say SE don't care. Why? Because if it's not perfect now then it means SE don't care. Their perspective is entirely black and white. -
12-15-2021, 01:02 PMBlud3y3zYou really should not make assumptions because you are wrong. Would I have been bent if they delayed release until next year, yeah I would've. But I wouldn't have been a child about it. I'm the type of person who would rather go without for awhile then get something in a "broken" state. You seem to be far more ok with the way things are is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kes13a
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12-15-2021, 01:06 PMLeowyld
Hmm. But the queue times are the only thing currently wrong. Isn't the cumulative wait time for those queues less than the several months (or more) you'd have to wait for new servers? And if you cannot play at all until the queue times get better because of your schedule, you'd be waiting for that either way. At least this way many/most people, those who are able to wait out the queues, can play now.
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12-15-2021, 01:09 PMBlud3y3zDepends on how many more months of queues your gonna have to deal with. We're in a queueception it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Leowyld
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12-15-2021, 01:11 PMLeowyldBut, had they delayed the release, you would be waiting, anyway. The difference is, for most people, there is less waiting to play with queues than there would've been had the entire release been delayed. If you are for a delay to avoid queues, delay it for yourself (i.e. wait until queues are better)Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 01:12 PMValkyrie_LennethI got home at 4pm PST today. queue of 3800. I was in by 6:30pm. Playing since, no DC's, no lag, no issues. Been like that since launch for me. I've got 2 battle jobs to 90 and 3 gatherers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 01:12 PMKes13aqueues happen on launches, so thats expected and I am okay with that, the errors, I havent had any since their last login server update.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
like you, I log in and play, daily.
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12-15-2021, 01:17 PMReinhaIf they didn't launch at all then people still couldn't play Endwalker. Now at least a lot of people can.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
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12-15-2021, 01:27 PMTanis_Ebonhart
... You can literally just unsub. No one is forcing you to stay.
You were told in terms that even an uneducated child would understand on why there are long que times.
Apply your brain a little bit, TC. I believe in you.
Yes you are.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blud3y3z
The shortage has been going on for over a year - even before COVId made it worse.
SE already planned on upgrading servers months in advance but due the shortage those plans are on hold. Then there's the huge WoW Exodus which pushed it far above their predictions for player growth.
You not understanding this is why you aren't in charge of such things.