WARNING Below is a very big spoiler discussion so don't go below if you are not ready.
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Now then....
What do you think about what we learned about the civilizations of other stars and what consequence they may bring due to Meteion's actions to our stars?
For me...
While Meteion may have caused the destruction of certain world indirectly or directly based on her sister's state of mind during their mission but a good amount of the worlds her sister arrived to were already destroyed by the actions of the civilization that once reside there. Yet, these are not all the stars as there are many yet to be explored by Meteion's sisters.
However, the report showing how so many ended up being destroyed by their own actions even before Meteion arrived does make me wonder if FF14 is the only way that can produce the Hope needed to survive and what this may mean for FF14 lore.
I have concerns that Meteion's sisters may have also brought conseqences with them when they returned to Etheirys.
This consequence may take its time to reach the world of FF14 to a point by the time it arrives the world will have already become what it is now and I feel it may lead to what may happen in Season 2.
Yoshi-P mentioned while season 2 will no longer continue the Zodiark versus Hydaelyn storyline since it ends in 6.0. If I remember right, he also mentioned we should keep a eye out for something that will hint towards what Season 2 storyline will be about but he wants us to guess until 6.1 and beyond.
I mentioned before in past comments in other post but there is a strong feeling in me that Meteion and her sister's actions may bring about a Warrior of Despair. Maybe as a antagonist for Season 2 or potential ally seeking to find hope where he/she failed to find in his/her world resulting in his/her world falling into Despair and becoming destroyed by the Final Days of his/her civilization's own creation either before Meteion's sister appeared or after Meteion's sister appeared.
The lore about FF14 world being potentially the only star that may produce enough Hope to survive is one of the factors that does bring about this guess I am making. However, this also does open up possible story about FF14 world is not the only Star that have Heroes that can produce the Hope needed to allow their world to survive even if Season 2 still remains on the Source since we still have a lot of land still unexplored in the Source.
Those who do not know, probably many since not many would have played Final Fantasy Mobius, the Warrior of Despair is a rather new concept to the FF series SE introduced years ago in Final Fantasy Mobius which is now shutdown sadly.
Consequence of other Stars [SPOILER Discussion]
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12-15-2021, 01:08 AMEdwinLiConsequence of other Stars [SPOILER Discussion]
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12-15-2021, 03:51 AMLium
I think the big hint was seeing Meteion flying in Mor Dhona in the very last cutscene.
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12-15-2021, 03:55 AMyajnaji
This discussion made me realize something and I hope I'm not derailing the thread:
If so many stars died, if so many planets were overrun by dynamis does that mean that it is normal to have stale aether currents? I mean Etherys was only saved because Zodiark.
Also...
About that idea of a new antagonist? Something tells me we're not done with Zenos yet. -
12-15-2021, 04:01 AMNothv13I actually thinkQuote:
Originally Posted by yajnaji
it is normal for star as they age to develop stale aether currents as a sign of dieing. One of the prevailing messages is that all things must end, and that includes a stars life. What Meteion was doing however was preventing new life from starting which essentially breaks the cycle, while speeding up the death of the universe rather than just letting it play out. -
12-15-2021, 01:16 PMEdwinLiDon't worry you're still on topic and a rather important one that since this lore maybe linked to what may happen in Season 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by yajnaji
Considering that Hermes said Dynamis consists around 60% of their reality and 40% is Aether, it is probably rare for a world to have more Aether than Dynamis so chances are the Source (and the shards) are one of the few amount of worlds that have strong Aethers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nothv13
There is a theory I have that a person's ability to us magic is maybe related to the amount of Aether and Dynamis they have. If this is true then it will also explain certain things such as why Garleans cannot use Aether as this theory means that Garleans are stronger with Dynamis so their lower Aether alignment reduced their ability to use magic.
We experience life as a Garlean during combat in that one story instance and they basically have to do everything we Humans on Earth do to survive. Med kits to heal as they lack self regenerating ability when out of combat (most likely beings that have high Aether have natural rapid healing abilites when their body is not stressed), require performance enhancements to improve their physical abilites since they cannot use magic to enhance their bodies, and etc.
This theory will also imply worlds with higher Dynamis has lower amount of beings that can use magic or none at all since Aether is the source of magical abilities. That will put these civilizations on higher Dynamis worlds to depend on Technology more compared to a world with higher Aether that has beings that can use magic. -
12-15-2021, 09:45 PMJandorI personally assumed that dynamis is sort of spread out all across the Universe fairly equally, while aether tends to end up clustered around stars and planets and other 'active' things.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
IIRC Garleans have roughly the same amount of aether as the other races, they just lack the ability to consciously manipulate it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
It seems to me that the limits of what someone can and can't do with magic are as physiological as they are aetherial.
I put the lack of healing down to a gameplay mechanic, but if I did have to ascribe a lore reason to it, I'd be inclined to go with the lack of rapid auto-healing being the default for everyone and it's the player characters that are the odd ones out in that regard, not the Garleans.Quote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
Or alternatively, the Garlean soldier you possessed was a dead body. Dead bodies aren't really known for their rapid healing factor. :p -
12-16-2021, 02:02 AMEdwinLi
Now progressing further in MSQ, Cookingway makes a very important point about how Civilization that has reach a point when they seek only Perfection since all basic needs are covered.
The point, and a very important one that goes back to Meteion's report about the worlds, is that a Civilization can never reach Perfection since it does not exists thus they can never remove flaws to reach Perfection. Once they realize this, they become consumed by Despair and eventually destroy themselves in some way or form.
In a way each world that Meteion's sister visited, even those that had already destroy themselves before Meteion's sisters arrived, all destroyed themselves because they either were seeking Perfection, believed they reach Perfection and were above others, or that they reach their own Perfection but ended up finding no meaning in life once they reach it.
Heck one world that Meteion's sisters visited thought they reached perfection but when Meteion's sister asked them about their existence and meaning for it they ended up with a existential crisis due to the flaw of their society's mentality.
How this may related to the consequences of things in maybe Season 2 we cannot say just yet but it may relate to the motive of the Antagonists if SE goes down the Warrior of Despair path with the storyline.
However, this topic Cookingway brings up does also goes back to the Ancient's society because they had reach the point their needs were all covered so they seek perfection of their world. Thus eventually leading to their beliefs and reason for summoning Zodiark being they could not accept the flaws of their own life when they could no longer ignore it and the perfection they seek to create does not exists. Even if Meteion never caused the Final Days, the result would have been the same much later being the Ancients will eventually realize the perfection they seek does not exists and the flaws of life could never be erased thus leading to despair and eventually some, if not majority, may even seek the destruction of all life on their world causing a Final Days of their own making due to that despair just like certain worlds that Meteion was exploring during her mission. -
12-17-2021, 12:44 AMAylinI'm pretty confident that he was referring to whenQuote:
Originally Posted by EdwinLi
Emet lists off all the places on Etheirys we haven't been to yet, like Meracydia, etc.
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12-17-2021, 12:59 AMEdwinLiThose are hints of location where we may go in Season 2 but not what the potential plot maybe about once we get there. There is more than one thing we have to keep a eye out for in 6.0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aylin
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12-18-2021, 03:58 AMNakkirMy thoughts on your thoughts:Quote:
Originally Posted by yajnaji
I...really hope we’re done with Zenos, but I got to thinking. Yoshi P seemed to imply that Zenos’s voidsent would be more important than it ultimately was in EW, which leads me to believe we haven’t seen the last of IT, at least. I’ve also mulled over how (and please correct me if I’m mistaken), in the case of Lahabrea and Thancred, TWO souls existed in one body, one dominating the other. I can’t help but worry that when Zenos breathed his last, his soul latched onto the only other living thing there, us. -
12-19-2021, 01:07 AMEdwinLiQuote:
Originally Posted by Nakkir
About Zenos fate......
I believe Zenos is dead for good since as he said he spend all his remaining life energy fighting WoL in the Final Boss fight to a point there should be nothing left for him to live. That was all he ever desired after all.
His voidsent, however, is another story.
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12-19-2021, 02:16 AMTheozilla
I do have my own couple of spoiler related questions/clarifications relating to this that I wanted to ask (sorry if any have already been addressed earlier in the thread, I didn't see them explicitly addressed in my skim of the thread)
One minor quibble, unless I missed something, Zenos’ reoccurring dream of the Final Days (from 5.2) and Fandaniel’s commentary of “Could Emet-Selch have found a way…?” wasn’t ever addressed/explained, correct? I wonder if it’s something that’s being saved to explore later in the future MSQ or side content (like maybe the Pandemonium raids?), or is it just a dropped plot point? If it’s the latter it’s not a huge biggie, but somewhat surprising that something depicted in a voiced cutscene wasn’t at least somewhat followed up on.
My other question is in regards to the status of the inhabitants of Ultima Thule after finishing 6.0: namely, are the inhabitants of UT now actually alive/living for real now?
Because I understood that the areas aren't the actual remnants of the original planets (i.e. stars) that the Meteia encountered in their journey, but rather are recreations of them. And I believe Y'shtola and/or Urianger compare the inhabitants to the shades of the Ancients in Emet-Selch's recreated Amaurot. So wouldn't that mean that like the Ancient shades, they weren't the actual original souls of the dead planets, right? But after Meteion is beat and she restores "life/hope" to the universe, did that turn the inhabitants of Ultima Thule into for-real alive/original souls denizens?
Because the way the game discusses them and the side-quests treat them (after beating 6.0), it appears like they are living beings with souls now. (and from what I understood Meteion collected the dead souls of the planets she had visited and sequestered them away in the dead sun, so that they wouldn't continue to be reincarnated/reborn into potential future new lives, right?)
Or were the inhabitants of UT always alive, & it was only the specific individuals that the Scions had to emotionally overcome in order to progress through the zone (the ones that turned into black birds) that weren't alive and were only recreated shades?
Also if anyone was wondering, the 68.3% of the universe being made of dynamis is almost certainly a reference to work done in 2013 based on the Planck spacecraft observations of the CBM (Cosmic Microwave Background), which gave an accurate estimate of 68.3% dark energy, 26.8% dark matter, and 4.9% ordinary matter (which includes anti-matter and regular energy), for the composition of the universe. -
12-29-2021, 08:15 AMTheozilla
One other question I just remembered, is it ever specified if the "Deneb III" the Ea spoke of is supposed to be the name of the Ea's homeworld, or was it just some other planet/world they had observed/knew of? Or are we just supposed to assume it was the former?