SE needs to do something about Bozja/CLL

I was sadly not caught up with post=ShB content at EW launch, and I'd like to finish it before moving on. But CLL is a hard wall. Very few people queue for it, and it always ends the same way - everyone dies, loses mettle, and gives up.

SE needs to incentivize CLL like they incentivize MSQ roulette. Higher exp, mettle, poetics. Bonus points for making a quest-required deployment not cost mettle on a loss.

I know some people have said they've seen some groups do it with as few as 6 people but this has got to be the exception not the rule.

There's also now the fact that no one does cluster farming, it's all reapers and sages grinding fates for exp. Incentivize cluster farming with better rewards for people who are trying to level, so that the rest of us can actually unlock content/rewards.

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Originally Posted by RotoLoto

SE needs to incentivize CLL like they incentivize MSQ roulette. Higher exp, mettle, poetics. Bonus points for making a quest-required deployment not cost mettle on a loss.

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I'd like to see it as its own daily roulette option, paired with Delubrum.

This isn't the first time CLL has acted as a hard roadblock to Bozja content. CLL, DR, and Dalriada should have all been duty finder raids instead of raids within already instanced content.

That being said none of these raids are particularly difficult as long as you have read a guide or have a rough understanding of what are basic mechanics by that point in the game. Sadly for every competent player that queues for this sort of content long after its relevance, there are 10 more who think they can just wing it with no prior preparation and probably won't even bother to bring an essence.

As for cluster farming the only way to do it would probably be to drag the mobs into fates and force the reapers/sages to kill them. It's what others did when they couldn't find parties for cluster farming back in the old days and I imagine it would still work as long as there are enough people in the fate to cover the chaos.

Don't put it in any existing roulette, I really don't wanna do it. Make a new category for it if need be, but please leave it out of my normal roulettes.

CLL and Dalriada need to give a huge amount worth of EXP for lvl 80s and lower
right now it gives like 3 CE worth of EXP but it takes up to 40 minute so people will just not que up for the duty

Zerging skirmishes is much more effective in both EXP and Time

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Originally Posted by RotoLoto

I was sadly not caught up with post=ShB content at EW launch, and I'd like to finish it before moving on. But CLL is a hard wall. Very few people queue for it, and it always ends the same way - everyone dies, loses mettle, and gives up.

SE needs to incentivize CLL like they incentivize MSQ roulette. Higher exp, mettle, poetics. Bonus points for making a quest-required deployment not cost mettle on a loss.

I know some people have said they've seen some groups do it with as few as 6 people but this has got to be the exception not the rule.

There's also now the fact that no one does cluster farming, it's all reapers and sages grinding fates for exp. Incentivize cluster farming with better rewards for people who are trying to level, so that the rest of us can actually unlock content/rewards.

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i guess it will ends as how Eureka is now. give it some time. avoid that thing or try. if anything, making PF for CLL or joining discord channels about SB relic could be really useful. dont lose hope o/ i would join with you if i get some free time and being on same world.

I don't think it'll be same as eureka
Eureka had the super echo,challenge log and the the ability to buy boss items with crystals so it was possible to solo/pace the areas

Bozja has 3 large scale instances that need to be qued up for to progress the story

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Originally Posted by Duskane

I don't think it'll be same as eureka
Eureka had the super echo,challenge log and the the ability to buy boss items with crystals so it was possible to solo/pace the areas

Bozja has 3 large scale instances that need to be qued up for to progress the story

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Those "large scale instances" can be done with as few as 2 people each due to Bozjas own version of a 'super echo'.
All those instances need is better rewards, that's it.

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Originally Posted by ArcaneCarbuncle

Those "large scale instances" can be done with as few as 2 people each due to Bozjas own version of a 'super echo'.
All those instances need is better rewards, that's it.

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yes it can be done with 2 people but from a new player perspective you really think they are gonna be like "2 out of 48 people this will do"

SE needs to never do another Bozja/Zadnor ever again. It's clear they have no idea wtf to do with it or even how to scale it properly.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

SE needs to never do another Bozja/Zadnor ever again. It's clear they have no idea wtf to do with it or even how to scale it properly.

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this. ARR and HW was grind, but it is managable to obtain relic after years without much cooperation with others to clear content .

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yes it can be done with 2 people but from a new player perspective you really think they are gonna be like "2 out of 48 people this will do"

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How is that different from Eureka though?
Do you think a new player is going to be aware how to solo that without any sort of guide?
Sorry, but it just seems like you're judging them by two different standards when they are pretty similar overall..

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Originally Posted by RotoLoto

I was sadly not caught up with post=ShB content at EW launch, and I'd like to finish it before moving on. But CLL is a hard wall. Very few people queue for it, and it always ends the same way - everyone dies, loses mettle, and gives up.

SE needs to incentivize CLL like they incentivize MSQ roulette. Higher exp, mettle, poetics. Bonus points for making a quest-required deployment not cost mettle on a loss.

I know some people have said they've seen some groups do it with as few as 6 people but this has got to be the exception not the rule.

There's also now the fact that no one does cluster farming, it's all reapers and sages grinding fates for exp. Incentivize cluster farming with better rewards for people who are trying to level, so that the rest of us can actually unlock content/rewards.

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give it some time. everyone is busy with Endwalker MSQ, and in a couple weeks people will filter back into BSF/Zadnor to do stuff there.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

give it some time. everyone is busy with Endwalker MSQ, and in a couple weeks people will filter back into BSF/Zadnor to do stuff there.

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People are already there in full force leveling because it's the quickest way to get to 90. If SE wanted to take the easy way out of fixing the CLL and Dalriada issue, they can just make the exp for running it extremely worth it.

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Originally Posted by Kyrj

People are already there in full force leveling because it's the quickest way to get to 90. If SE wanted to take the easy way out of fixing the CLL and Dalriada issue, they can just make the exp for running it extremely worth it.

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They'd probably have to give multiple levels worth of XP for people to take them over skirmish zerging.

Give it a month or two. There are still some things I need to tidy up in Bozja myself (looking at you Field Notes #14) but I wanted to spend my play time getting through Endwalker first, and now leveling up my crafters and gatherers, before I revisit old content.

Once enough people are through the new stuff (including Savage in a few weeks) then they too will go back to finish up whatever old things they still have business with.

Triple the XP and add it onto a daily roulette so we can queue for it outside of the instance. Until then that is basically dead content to a lot of people in this MMO.

The situation is really bad. People who arent grinding and want to have fun or progress in the content, are literally being met with borderline hostile comments on the Cas and Dal not being worth the time. Not to mention there is always 1 troll q-ing up without the intention of ever joining. This is an especially big feelbad for people trying to prog through the content because they are not only hampered by not having the 'right' essences and actions yet, they are also treated like second class players by the people grinding for exp. There is something seriously wrong with people. I am currently trying to get something going using PF since I want to do my weekly and I still think especially Castrum is fun to do but holy hell.... the wait is long because who bothers atm anyways?

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Originally Posted by Duskane

yes it can be done with 2 people but from a new player perspective you really think they are gonna be like "2 out of 48 people this will do"

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It should also be pointed out, that yes it can be done with 2 people.... In Augmented Bozja gear, and with proper augments and items. These are all things people doing it for the first time will probably not have, or in the case of the gear definitely not have. As you don't start getting Coins til after you've beaten it once.

No there is a super echo buff has nothing to do with those bozja items and items cna be ought for like 10gil on AH

My last field note is in Dal and no one seems to be doing that anymore... or very rarely, managed to do a run with 4 people the other day.

Hope they do implement something to get people to do this again, or just make the notes attainable somewhere else.

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Originally Posted by Denaura

My last field note is in Dal and no one seems to be doing that anymore... or very rarely, managed to do a run with 4 people the other day.

Hope they do implement something to get people to do this again, or just make the notes attainable somewhere else.

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This same exact thing happened with Eureka on Shadowbringers release. Everyone is doing the newest shiny, give them a few weeks and people will return to doing Bozja & Zadnor for reasons other than grinding levels.

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Originally Posted by Alchemii

It should also be pointed out, that yes it can be done with 2 people.... In Augmented Bozja gear, and with proper augments and items. These are all things people doing it for the first time will probably not have, or in the case of the gear definitely not have. As you don't start getting Coins til after you've beaten it once.

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This is incorrect, you need no augmented Gear (which isn't even much of an upgrade in the first place) and appropriate Essences/Actions can be bought from the Marketboard for relatively cheap. That is if they're even necessary given the Bozja exclusive echo gives crazy stat boost. They're definitely helpful, but acting as if that stuff is any more of a requirement then let's say Eureka gear was (which, btw, had a lot more impact than any Bozja gear ever attempted to make) is misinformation.

Back in Bozja/Zadnor trying to complete my ShB relics, on the side trying get remaining notes, but running DR is impossible without a pf or else you get in a solo and no one wishes to run Dalriada in Zadnor.
Seems I'm stuff farming lv70 dungeons and potd to get my remaining relics mats. I wish people would be willing to enter Dal or DR without me having to beg for a singular run, when I need 20 more

When Endwalker first launched, I voiced my concern at the neglect for this content and people told me to 'give it a few months until Zadnor/Bozja is back to normal'...

People to this day are still barely queuing for Castrum and Dal. It's really not fair on them, please just put these in the roulette.

Didn't they nerf them to be doable with like 8-10 people now? Or was it only one of them? Either way I think if you PF it it'll be an easier time. That being said I like the suggestion of a Roulette as well. Odd that they made the first one how it was, then the second one you could queue up for, then the third one was back to on map. If the problem was no one being in Bozja to queue then just make the npc that queues you...in bozja. Just make them a reward for completing the zone.

Either way though I actually really enjoyed my time with Bozja when it was current. Duels were fun, the raids were fun, etc, but the relic grind kind of tainted it because then the slow-ness of them really hit its peak.

So far ideas I strongly support:

-Make a Bozjan Queue/Roulette/Daily/etc that gives you a good exp buff to an alt class or more consistent currency (unless they buffed it it was still an effing CHORE to get the augmented bozjan armor if I recall).
-Buff the exp for joining in general so that more people use it to level alts
-Emphasize the dynamic levelling system or pull an ARR and make them 4-8 mans

I see a bunch of Zadnor with 10 to 25 players quite regularly during prime time actually.

it would be super sick if in the future we don't have things completely unrelated to the content, like triple triad cards, locked behind dead content.

Nothing would make me return to it.