EW Zone 6 Music Post-MSQ (Spoilers)

This is a simple thought about Ultima Thule: there needs to be a way to disable the lyric song and return to the ambient/distorted song that plays earlier.

This game has great music and I want to hear it. I think this is the first zone that plays lyrics on an endless loop that are intelligible (aka, La Hee is fine). There's nothing "background music" about a song with lyrics. My allies are saved, no one is dead, no one is mourning, the UNIVERSE is saved. I don't want to have lyrics blasting in my ear telling me to walk on. I was burnt out of the song before I even finished the MSQ.

I'm also not looking to be told turn on mount music, /bgm, etc. That doesn't solve the problem of one very odd choice of permanent BGM.

I get where your coming from, the original song was quite cool but it feels like the idea was the place changing from despair to hope.
I kind of have a feeling that developing that central town in ultima thule will replace beast tribes too so might get yet another music in that part. The Elephants and lopporits are kind of already integrated afterall

Always have soundtrack albums and youtube I suppose, maybe even get a orchestrion roll?

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Originally Posted by GizmoEra

My allies are saved, no one is dead, no one is mourning, the UNIVERSE is saved. I don't want to have lyrics blasting in my ear telling me to walk on.

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A lot of people died, some we met personally. Sure our closest friends are alive but we did not save everyone. We were too late for many people, some we personally knew.

The never ending journey is a central theme to FFXIV. Hydaelyn told us to walk free. "Our journey will never end" is a line from a song in Shadowbringers. The furnishing to view cutscenes is called The Unending Journey. We are Azem The Traveller, even before knowing that we fulfilled the duties of The Traveller and among Emet Selch's final words were him telling us to not stop our journey. Also I think the song is sung from the point of view of the Ancients, not just the Scions. "Through you we live" is equally applicable to the Ancients. The Scions may be saved but the Ancients are not. We must walk on so that their legacy won't end. Furthermore the zone is still a place where despair is prominent. Our world may be saved but the same cannot be said for those who are populating Ultima Thule. If anything the zone is a monument to the transition from despair to hope.

It's fine if you're sick of the song, you don't have to like it, but trying to say it's somehow inappropriate is very strange to me.

EDIT: got nothing against a toggle to change the music to earlier versions of the song.

I really enjoy that it plays the song, and I love the song.

To me, after everything, the map would feel weird without that song now, but obviously a toggle would be fine.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

....but trying to say it's somehow inappropriate is very strange to me.

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The trigger to the song was the Scions dying. The Scions were deus ex machina'd back to life. Sure, the lyrics might call back to other stuff, but it doesn't change it was a punch in the feels for the Scions... who aren't dead. The song didn't play because Haurchefant died 6 years ago lol

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Originally Posted by GizmoEra

The trigger to the song was the Scions dying. The Scions were deus ex machina'd back to life. Sure, the lyrics might call back to other stuff, but it doesn't change it was a punch in the feels for the Scions... who aren't dead. The song didn't play because Haurchefant died 6 years ago lol

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I didn't even mention Haurchefant but okay. Whatever you say bro.

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Originally Posted by Penthea

I didn't even mention Haurchefant but okay. Whatever you say bro.

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Uhhh... this you?

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A lot of people died, some we met personally. Sure our closest friends are alive but we did not save everyone. We were too late for many people, some we personally knew.

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Originally Posted by GizmoEra

Uhhh... this you?

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You think Haurchefant is the only person we knew who has died? No one else in any other expansion including this one that we knew has died?

Yea gonna leave this thread. Said my two cents and you clearly are trying very hard to misunderstand me. Or you really have not been paying attention to the story. Hope your requested toggle comes to the game. I enjoy all three versions of the song.

I love that song, but I agree. It'd be nice if it switched to an instrumental version after you cleared 6.0.

I love the song...I am up there now and I turned it right up! while I ate my breakfast haha.


I don't want it changed though. Maybe give the option for those who would like to turn it off.

I agree. The song is great, but for an overall zone theme the ambient version was perfect. I'd rather the song only played while you're in certain areas of the zone.

Kind of agree, we had that sad callback to people who died over the course of the game and it was in The Aitiascope. It was nice having it during that walk up to Meteion but after that the zones music needs to move on.

For me it is more about a overworld theme having actual vocals. I find it very distracting every time I go to that zone for whatever reason. Pulls me right out of it for me. I like my BGM to feel like background music. The song itself is cool and would be fine if it played in certain spots or something. I donno.

They could have used the instrumental version as the "night" time bgm.

I love the song and zone, but yeah being able to switch back to the ambient music with no lyrics would be awesome.

or maybe let me use the orchestron everywhere akin to FFXV mp3 (limited to non-instanced content)

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

or maybe let we use the orchestron everywhere akin to FFXV mp3

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This has been asked a lot and the dev team have responded by saying the music system of the game isn't built to allow it. I don't think they've ever gone into the technical details, but I definitely agree this would be amazing if they could figure out how to do it.

I don't think there is "a problem of one very odd choice of permanent BGM".
(this is just a subjective opinion trying to be sold as an objective fact)
Because what the op calls an odd choice and a problem, is one of the most brilliant musical themes for a zone this game has ever had (in my books). And from what I've heard a lot of other players also appreciate this beautiful song and this very unique BGM.
At the end it's just a matter of taste... and as we all know, tastes differ.
Not everyone will like every BGM of every zone. There are some zones in this game, that have a BGM that I absolutely dislike (or find highly annoying).
However I would never think of demanding a change just because not every BGM is tailored to my very personal taste.

Truthfully, the song is the same from the beginning of the zone, the lyrics are just distorted and get progressively clearer as we progress. But I agree, I would like the option for the lyricless version as well, either alternating or one being the day theme another the night theme.

If we had a way to disable/enable every feature that everyone brings up, the options menu would have dozens of tabs and hundreds of options each and would be a nightmare to maintain all the niche options for the devs.

IMO let's just give feedback to maybe not use songs with clear, loud lyrics while we are trying to follow dialogue. It's distracting; I agree.

I adore that song and it gave me all kinds of feels through the expansion, but after going back to Ultima Thule in order to unlock flying, I was disappointed it didn't revert back to the original spooky ambiance. The Endwalker song felt out of place now that the 'Epic moment' has passed and talking to the NPCs, still frozen in their state of despair and nihilism as these are but shades/echoes of long-dead stars, feels odd when there's hopeful music blaring in your ears. Though the stars have now been infused with hope, this particular area will forever remain a pit of hopelessness and despair, given that it's nothing more than a memory (and evidenced by the fact that the NPCs are clearly unaffected by the 'Endsong' having been silenced).

It's certainly not a major gripe, just a small disappointment.

The NPCs aren't frozen anymore, though. All the sidequests that pop up after the end of the game show everyone slowly recovering. Even the killer death robots do the happy dance.

... of course, if you ignored the sidequests on the way to The End, the sad ones are still there too, I'd imagine. But that's more on you.

I haven't got there yet, but I do feel annoyed at the music being on loop sometimes. I actually prefer to turn the BGM off sometimes even during MSQ.

Nah, I like it.

Turning on New Game + (Any Shadowbringers one)
It puts back the distorted theme.

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Originally Posted by Valric

I don't think there is "a problem of one very odd choice of permanent BGM".
(this is just a subjective opinion trying to be sold as an objective fact)

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I play a TON of video games and I struggle to think of games with background music that use lyrics outside of fighting games, racing games, and the occasional RPG boss fight. I can't think of another Final Fantasy, RPG, or game in general that does this with an area's generic BGM. A song with lyrics grabs your attention. The song is meant to be BACKGROUND music. It's inherently in conflict with its purpose. There's a reason movies and other media don't bombard viewers with songs with lyrics, it takes away from your attention on other details of the media.