What type of Addersting skills/spells would you like to see in the future

As the title says what skills/spells would you like to see added for future Addersting additions?

Personality I want the following:
Skill 1: A skill that deals AOE damage and provides a potent AOE shield. Like whm assize but instead of healing a shield.
Skill 2: A debuff on the enemy that makes your Kardia AOE temporarily.

More than new skills I would like to see (and hopefully it happens soon) ways to gain addersting without relying on gcd shielding, as it is right now any skill tied to that would need to surpass that loss and that reduces their usability a lot

First, a skill/traits that helps generating Addesting. Toxicon is Sage's mobility tool, I love using it in dungeon pull but not while healing EX.
It's cool to generate 3 when there is downtime but having to shield 3 people is not fun.

As for the Addersting skills themselves, if the previous request is fulfilled, then I'd like a GCD on a 60s cooldown.
It might just be me, but 60s cooldowns used asap helps tracking the 60s party buff.

IMO, Addesting is and should be only tied to damage, otherwise you'd see many conflict about people being accused of griefing by not using their addersting to heal.
If like Assize it's a primarely DPS skill with a bit of healing attached to it, I don't think it would be trouble.

A damage ability that gives MP ba- //slapped

I'd not want more abilites atm really.

What I'd love to see happen with addersting are two things:

adjust toxicon so it does at least the same ST damage as Dosis when factoring in the GCD needed to shield, or idealy doa sliver more dmg (like 10-20 potency)
let it be gained once per e. prognosis cast as well.

Thus SE would rather easily both make SGE heal more and add vriety to the things people do when optimized, because puttign shields out that break with GCDs woudl be a net gain in dps.

...an aoe dot, or some debuff, but at this point that seems highly unlikely

Personally, I would prefer they just removed addersting entirely and had Toxicon become an addersgall dump that regenerated mp.

At the moment, when you cap gall the only abilities you have that use it are healing abilities, which you don't always need to use and they just so happen to be the only way SGE regenerates mp. I find myself staying overcapped (and losing out on a lot of mp gain) because I dont want to overheal, which is very unintuitive design in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by OtakuSempai

Personally, I would prefer they just removed addersting entirely and had Toxicon become an addersgall dump that regenerated mp.

At the moment, when you cap gall the only abilities you have that use it are healing abilities, which you don't always need to use and they just so happen to be the only way SGE regenerates mp. I find myself staying overcapped (and losing out on a lot of mp gain) because I dont want to overheal, which is very unintuitive design in my opinion.

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It might be your healing rotation that's the issue here. Cycle your healing rotation to use addersgall first. If you're overcapping on addersgall, most likely, your addersgall priority isn't high enough that you started to overcap. I fell to this trap too because I brought the Scholar mindset over to sage, but Sage just has a different rhythm to the order of their abilities. I found Sage to have a higher priority on using addersgall over Scholar's aetherflow due to the speed at which addersgall generates is more consistent over Scholar's instant burst periods, which led me to using Kerachole more actively and more frequently than Scholar to upkeep my MP. This change is also due to the difference of how Rizomata, and Recitation works. In contrast, Scholar puts Fairy oGCDs above aetherflow in priority due to the existence of the aetherflow dump.

As for addersting, I hope they can develop it a bit more. It's a good concept with lots of ways to evolve it:
1. They can add a spell that does more damage than Dosis as single target, but has no AoE component.
2. They can give an ability that generates addersting like Rizomata, but on a 2-charge system.
3. They can give a spell that consumes addersting and attacks the enemy while debuffing the enemy's damage (like a mini reprisal), except with a cooldown.

The 2nd change in particular would allow addersting to gain more toolkit depth for flexibility. The point of a 2 charge system is to ensure sages don't overcap on addersting if they end up generating more toxikon stacks from requiring to use Eukrasia Diagnosis.
The first change would simply let it be a refund/gain over Dosis, but because addersting is still a limited resource, you'd still want to optimize your addersting uses for mainly mobility or weaving, unless you are sure you won't miss a GCD and won't stop casting at any point in time.
The third change would make using addersting worthwhile as a defensive tool as well.

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Originally Posted by OtakuSempai

Personally, I would prefer they just removed addersting entirely and had Toxicon become an addersgall dump that regenerated mp.

At the moment, when you cap gall the only abilities you have that use it are healing abilities, which you don't always need to use and they just so happen to be the only way SGE regenerates mp. I find myself staying overcapped (and losing out on a lot of mp gain) because I dont want to overheal, which is very unintuitive design in my opinion.

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It was designed in such a way that it would never get a dps addersgall dump, it's why every damage skill in relation to healing or mitigation is dps neutral. They reinforced this by changing pneuma from a dps gain to dps neutral before the expac went live.

You losing out on mp gain is your choice as it was designed that way in fact. If you ever get over your phobia of over healing just use druochole on yourself when you're capped.

Why would it be need to be a dps gain? If you dont need a shield you dont need to use toxicon? If you do use a shield boom free mp offensive skill.

I want one to spread my dot to multiple targets :3

Rings familiar? I can't remember where I saw something like that...

Maybe selene can help!

Jokes aside, I'd really like an option to AoE dot! ^^

An Addersting ability that gives SGE a fast 1-2-3 single target dps combo. Essentially a Shroud/Hypercharge mode for healer:

+ 1.5s recast time
+ Burst single target dps and Kardion healing
+ You use the ability and it changes Dosis (1), Dyskrasia (2), and Toxicon (3) to the new combo abilities (no new keybinds/bar space needed for combo)

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Originally Posted by Daws

An Addersting ability that gives SGE a fast 1-2-3 single target dps combo. Essentially a Shroud/Hypercharge mode for healer:

+ 1.5s recast time
+ Burst single target dps and Kardion healing
+ You use the ability and it changes Dosis (1), Dyskrasia (2), and Toxicon (3) to the new combo abilities (no new keybinds/bar space needed for combo)

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Sounds cool.

I just want Toxicon to be stronger, if only for the first target at least. I want a reason to fish for it in single target situations that come down to more than mobility. I'm sure other healer jobs have stuff they don't mind being buffed to compensate too so the balance remains. Or new DPS moves [looks at SCH and WHM].

I mean more DPS options wouldn't go amiss, but they've pretty much made their stance on this clear. So if they could make me work in what we do have in more frequently, it should make it a better experience.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

I just want Toxicon to be stronger, if only for the first target at least. I want a reason to fish for it in single target situations that come down to more than mobility. I'm sure other healer jobs have stuff they don't mind being buffed to compensate too so the balance remains. Or new DPS moves [looks at SCH and WHM].

I mean more DPS options wouldn't go amiss, but they've pretty much made their stance on this clear. So if they could make me work in what we do have in more frequently, it should make it a better experience.

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Pretty sure the Dev's want the reason to be you can shield every TB for "free"

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Originally Posted by Nethereal

Pretty sure the Dev's want the reason to be you can shield every TB for "free"

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The problem, though, is that it's not free. Casting E. Diagnosis is a 100% DPS loss, so if it's not required for a tankbuster (which it's not), then there's not a reason to actually use it for that purpose. Toxikon needs to be 660 potency for it to have that functionality, and that would it just as effective as 2 casts of Dosis III, and thus you wouldn't be punished for wanting to use your barriers proactively.

Doesn't necessarily need more Addersting skills, but if we did get them, then it should be sonething like a 1 button combo. Each press consumes an Addersting for a new skill in the combo, so you can save up 3 for a 1-2-3 combo.

In addition, they should be slightly more potency than Dosis on single target, even if only 10 more potency.

As for generating more Addersting. E.Prognisis shields should each have a 10% chance of generating one.

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

The problem, though, is that it's not free. Casting E. Diagnosis is a 100% DPS loss, so if it's not required for a tankbuster (which it's not), then there's not a reason to actually use it for that purpose. Toxikon needs to be 660 potency for it to have that functionality, and that would it just as effective as 2 casts of Dosis III, and thus you wouldn't be punished for wanting to use your barriers proactively.

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Not necessarily. Turning toxikon into an oGCD ability would also be sufficient. But it is a bit too close to DRK that way. I think it’s meant to be a supplementary movement spell first anyways since that’s where all the Eukrasia spells excel compared to their equivalents.

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Originally Posted by Grimoire-M

Not necessarily. Turning toxikon into an oGCD ability would also be sufficient. But it is a bit too close to DRK that way. I think it’s meant to be a supplementary movement spell first anyways since that’s where all the Eukrasia spells excel compared to their equivalents.

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Technically yes, but I stand by keeping it as a GCD is better for Sage's gameplay. Regardless, I disagree about it being a good movement tool. First and foremost, you need to have Addersting in the first place for it to be a movement tool, E. Diagnosis just isn't really a good healing tool in contrast to other options that Sage has right now, even if you are in need specifically of single target mitigation. You really shouldn't be using it for tankbusters unless all your other options are exhausted, but if it's not lethal, then let them eat the hit and heal them through Kardia + maybe an Addersgall heal. If you can't stop to cast anything, then there's the very minor benefit of using E. Diagnosis on the run, but you'd even be better off just overwriting your E. Dosis DoT if it's over half-way finished, and if it's not, then you're actually DPS neutral with having not casted anything at all for 1 GCD, so why not save the MP?

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Originally Posted by ty_taurus

The problem, though, is that it's not free. Casting E. Diagnosis is a 100% DPS loss, so if it's not required for a tankbuster (which it's not), then there's not a reason to actually use it for that purpose. Toxikon needs to be 660 potency for it to have that functionality, and that would it just as effective as 2 casts of Dosis III, and thus you wouldn't be punished for wanting to use your barriers proactively.

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Pretty much this. It's worthwhile in AoE situations, because Dyskrasia is 170 and Toxicon is 330 so it ends up being a DPS gain and it means on trash pulls your tank is getting shielded from incoming damage. So there's a dual benefit. From a game play perspective, it feels way better than Dyskrasia spamming.

There isn't much reason to translate this in single target situations and only works if you need to use that shield.

I think upping it to 660 or higher is the best option here or a single target equivalent of Toxicon that's 660 or higher. I'm less of a fan of it being an oGCD as it might start to feel too much like Energy Drain and I think it would feel less great. I can see how an oGCD would help flow...as I was one who suggested it be an oGCD before. It feels nice with something like Fan Dance on DNC, but doesn't with Energy Drain on SCH and I feel because it's breaking up a single button spam it'll feel more like the latter than the former.

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Originally Posted by Saefinn

Pretty much this. It's worthwhile in AoE situations, because Dyskrasia is 170 and Toxicon is 330 so it ends up being a DPS gain and it means on trash pulls your tank is getting shielded from incoming damage. So there's a dual benefit. From a game play perspective, it feels way better than Dyskrasia spamming.

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Except throwing oGCD heals keeps the Tank alive jsut as well as shielding, and then you are looking at two dyskrasias for a total of 340 vs a single toxikon worth 330 on one target and (iirc) 175 on the rest.

do we have skill that mark enemy and party member heal when they hit the marked enemy?

we could use healer with that playstyle