Will this game ever get open world pvp?

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

The reason it works in something like WoW is because it was part of the game from the beginning, and it works into the faction conflict story.

Not only does FFXIV not have any of the framework required for something like this (for example, characters that stay in the world during cutscenes are effectively invincible, and teleport around a lot), but it wouldn't make any sense for adventurers to beat the snot out of each other in front of Hraesvelgr.

...it would be fun, though

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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Thank you for answering your own question.

The FFXIV team has been very much against people affecting others experiences negatively.

Open world PVP lends itself to griefing by default, my guess is it'll never be a thing in already created content and were it to even be considered it would be restricted to places specifically built with it in mind.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

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Wow, so interesting and exciting. For real, yeah

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...n-nice-try.gif

It might be nice to have an open zone for PVP. Not the entire would, but a designated zone where you could go in without time limits or objectives and just beat the snot out of each other. An entire PVP server though? Please no. This isn't the right game for that.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

The reason it works in something like WoW is because it was part of the game from the beginning, and it works into the faction conflict story.

Not only does FFXIV not have any of the framework required for something like this (for example, characters that stay in the world during cutscenes are effectively invincible, and teleport around a lot), but it wouldn't make any sense for adventurers to beat the snot out of each other in front of Hraesvelgr.

...it would be fun, though

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It's only fun when you're at the right end of the stick, not when you get continuously jumped and camped by 2 or 3 people 10 levels higher than you.

Anyways, Wpvp in WoW has been dead for a while now, specially with websites tracking player participation and prompting mass exoduses of people to one side or the other, making the game completely unplayable for one faction (for classic) and Wpvp in retail is a snoozefest.

Yeah maybe if we do it would be a huge open world area akin to eureka or whatever it is. Could even say it's a training exercise etc so we're not lorewise killing each other just beating the snot out of each other.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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The short answer is no.

The longer answer is nope, nope, nope and hell nope.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

It might be nice to have an open zone for PVP. Not the entire would, but a designated zone where you could go in without time limits or objectives and just beat the snot out of each other. An entire PVP server though? Please no. This isn't the right game for that.

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This, a pvp sandbox zone for the sake of running around fighting people could be fun. Like a frontline with no objectives or teams to just run around.

Out in the open world however, no. Even on a special server this would not mesh well with how ffxiv is designed.

World PVP wouldn't work out real well in FF14 because the game and world design isn't built for that purpose.

A better route for FF14 would be more Dark Age of Camelot (DAoC) inspired PVP. More specifically, DAOC-esque battlegrounds

If all goes as hoped ...then never :)

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Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

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Yeah, imagine attacking people who cant fight back

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I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless

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Funny for you maybe. Not for anyone else.

A flat NO.

So you don't want actual PvP, you just wanna kill people who can't defend themselves.
Ok?..

No it never will. And rightfully so.
It would drive away a lot of the community if it was openworld pvp.
a dedicated pvp server would become a meme and likely be mostly dead with a small select few lurking about complaining about how everything is dead. the game doesn't gravitate towards pvp and never will.
No.

World PvP is just people with weak skills want to kill people that already engaged monsters.
That is how it has been in WoW days
Not amount of sugar-coating can cover that stinky fact

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

So you don't want actual PvP, you just wanna kill people who can't defend themselves.
Ok?..

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In WoW, that seemed to be a majority of actual world pvp.

People ganking lowbies or rogues taking people unaware while questing, or groups of people roving around and only engaging if they had superior numbers.

That's not to say no 'honorable pvp' ever happens but it's generally just people attacking lower levels etc and wanting easy kills, rather than people wanting free fights. After-all they had the arena and duel systems for those if they wanted it. I played on Emerald Dream from WOTLK to the end of MOP, and while ganking/griefing wasn't the 'only' thing people went for, it was certainly the majority of it.

I sincerely hope it NEVER gets open world pvp. It brings the worst out in people.

thankfully...no

this is not really a pvp game

if you want open world pvp, plenty of offerings on the market for that playstyle and desire

FF xiv is not one of them

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

World PvP is just people with weak skills want to kill people that already engaged monsters.
That is how it has been in WoW days
Not amount of sugar-coating can cover that stinky fact

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While I completely disagree with your view of OW PVP, that happens to be what OP is describing, however let's just say that I don't trust OP's motives in making this thread.

There are many reasons that people engage in OW PVP, ganking and twinking are part of the motives but OW PVP can also lead to some fun fights. It may not be something that you personally enjoyed in one specific game, that doesn't necessarily make it something that cannot be enjoyable in every game, however I believe it is one of the more difficult parts of game design.

AN open zone designed around it would be cool
The entire game though? No, open world pvp in wow tends to just lend to griefing and who has more numbers, let alone the fact it'd make no sense story wise unlike wow

No way it'll happen. This is an MMO-lite. Something like that is way to hardcore for FF14.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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No.
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I'm surprised at how many people are responding as if OP is serious.. like.. read the OP again.. you guys realize everything about it is designed only to get reactions, to get a rise out of people, right..?

That's why all I posted in my earlier post was a 'nice try' meme.

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Originally Posted by IDontPetLalas

There are many reasons that people engage in OW PVP, ganking and twinking are part of the motives but OW PVP can also lead to some fun fights. It may not be something that you personally enjoyed in one specific game, that doesn't necessarily make it something that cannot be enjoyable in every game, however I believe it is one of the more difficult parts of game design.

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The fraction of people with intention your described is so small while majority of these self-proclaimed "World PvPers" comes with ill intentions.
They are just player killers.
World PvP only works at instance where Horde attack Alliance capital (vice versa) will lead to some fun fights, most of them, is opposite of what you are describing.

Probably not. This isn't really a PvP game. There do seem to be some fairly active and dedicated PvP groups, but I mean. PvP still has its own slew of issues that don't seem to be getting resolved any time soon, and some that imo will always be issues. The entirely separate hotbars alone would make open world PvP a challenge. They'd have to completely overhaul the PvP system to make it happen, and make it limited to certain servers too probably for exactly the reason of people screwing with folks doing story or crafting or whatever. I just don't see it happening.

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Originally Posted by Lanadra

I'm surprised at how many people are responding as if OP is serious.. like.. read the OP again.. you guys realize everything about it is designed only to get reactions, to get a rise out of people, right..?

That's why all I posted in my earlier post was a 'nice try' meme.

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You're probably right, but I've seen enough similar posts that were a liiiiittle to serious to seem, well, not serious to believe there are people genuinely wanting this out there lol
Not just in this game either. WoW forums during the whole shift to war mode or whatever were a nightmare.

Would definitely be fun but the game is not made for this kind of content therefore I think it would end up as a disaster. Just have a look at the already established pvp and you'll get your answer why this won't be happening in XIV.

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Originally Posted by Divinemights

The fraction of people with intention your described is so small while majority of these self-proclaimed "World PvPers" comes with ill intentions.
They are just player killers.
World PvP only works at instance where Horde attack Alliance capital (vice versa) will lead to some fun fights, most of them, is opposite of what you are describing.

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They also had to incentivize people to actually do World PvP with the War Mode in BFA (because it was all about Alliance vs Horde in that expansion), which gave considerate PvE XP/Gold/Azerite bonuses.

Otherwise they never would've bothered with it in the first place because they know how vicious PvP can get.

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Originally Posted by Arrius

They also had to incentivize people to actually do World PvP with the War Mode in BFA (because it was all about Alliance vs Horde in that expansion), which gave considerate PvE XP/Gold/Azerite bonuses.

Otherwise they never would've bothered with it in the first place because they know how vicious PvP can get.

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And at least back when I was still playing, they had to keep on bribing the alliance with extra rewards on top of that because of an overwhelming faction imbalance.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

It might be nice to have an open zone for PVP. Not the entire would, but a designated zone where you could go in without time limits or objectives and just beat the snot out of each other. An entire PVP server though? Please no. This isn't the right game for that.

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This wouldnt be a bad idea however they would have to make worth peoples time to go into that zone

Nope. Neva.

Nope why should it get open world pvp? There are no factions and it wouldn't make sense at all.

All it would do is hurt the games immersion when some random dudes break each others skulls in front of the quest npcs while you try to enjoy what the game is known for, the story.

No never

PVP has its special place - this is not a PVP centric game

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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If it did, I'd suggest doing it how Luna Online had it.

They had PVP openworld if you were outside of cities, but you had to turn it on. If you didn't want to participate your character was untouchable, until you set yourself to "PVP Ready" then people could attack you outside of the cities.

If it does, that's the day me AND MANY others will quit the game forever.

"funny nonetheless" .. no it would not.

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Originally Posted by Kandraxx

Just imagine ganking people that are viewing cutscenes or in a gatherer spec.

I know it would probably be a mess but funny nonetheless. Maybe a special pvp server?

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Not even NPCs could attack(and damage) people on cutscenes, why would you think players could?

Also your reasoning is plenty for SE to never implement a WPVP. And thankfully this game doesnt need it.

tl;dr: Go back to WoW please.

Nope, never.

I can see a small zone dedicated to it, that sounds really fun. But no way will they have it in every zone. It's not a sandbox mmo like WoW was

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Originally Posted by nighttimebunny

I can see a small zone dedicated to it, that sounds really fun. But no way will they have it in every zone. It's not a sandbox mmo like WoW was

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It already exists - Called the 'Dueling Circle' in the Wolves' Den.