Daily Server Reset

Genuine question for everyone here!

I'm sure we can all agree that Early Access wasn't the best and I'm sure the frustrations of the 2002 errors and other things will be something we'll never forget.

But what would you guys think if they (hypothetically) add a daily server reset during this high traffic time? Do you think it'll do good or will it make it worse? I actually want to know what people think of this.

I think it'll just upset people more than they already are. Best not to throw gasoline on a dumpster fire.

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Originally Posted by KthAura

Genuine question for everyone here!

I'm sure we can all agree that Early Access wasn't the best and I'm sure the frustrations of the 2002 errors and other things will be something we'll never forget.

But what would you guys think if they (hypothetically) add a daily server reset during this high traffic time? Do you think it'll do good or will it make it worse? I actually want to know what people think of this.

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Kicking the people who are already on the servers, playing, during a time where everyone else is trying to get on seems like a very bad idea.

You remember what happened at 4 AM on launch day? It would be like that, every day, after the servers come up.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I think it'll just upset people more than they already are.

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I mean it did absolute wonders during SB. SB was about as impenetrable in the initial few days 'cause people were exploiting the retainer bell/hud layout bug (remember? housing interiors couldn't be accessed because they were so full of people cheesing).
Though, It was every few hours I believe, not daily.


But, this would all depend on whether or not this congestion is caused by a significant amount of exploiters, or if the servers are mostly filled with genuine players, and the tradeoffs that come with hammering the login servers with all the people wanting to get in AS WELL AS all of the people who were already in who want to get back.

I do think it's something they should be looking into though, just 'cause it worked so well back then.

Unfortunately no resolution is going to solve the problem for everyone. We have people saying that they shouldn't be allowing people to queue if the queue is at its limit, but then those same people would also complain if they tried to log in and the game told them it was full and to try again later. No matter what happens, a lot of people are still going to find a way to be personally victimized by it.

As much as I sympathize with everyone's frustration, the likely "fix" is going to be time and patience. Once the onslaught of "new release" log in subsides it will be back to normal. It's definitely unfortunate and I get why people are upset. However I personally don't find it to be nearly as life-damaging as others are perceiving it. It's most definitely a temporary problem, it's just a matter of how temporary.

If it was announced i'd be okay with it. But I wouldn't wanna wait in a 3-4 hour queue just to randomly get booted off 15 minutes into the game. My blood pressure would skyrocket from the high levels of salt.

That's not good. The logout error is already a reset in itself. There is no solution other than new servers, which will not likely happen overnight unless there's a miracle.

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Originally Posted by Aphyd

If it was announced i'd be okay with it. But I wouldn't wanna wait in a 3-4 hour queue just to randomly get booted off 15 minutes into the game. My blood pressure would skyrocket from the high levels of salt.

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Yeah, last time they did this it was on X:00 every time, and they would announce it coming every like 20 minutes or so.
(my numbers may be off, I only remember afk exploiters in SB, queues of like 20k, them doing periodic restarts, and the problem IMMEDIATELY vanishing)

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Originally Posted by Roda

I mean it did absolute wonders during SB. SB was about as impenetrable in the initial few days 'cause people were exploiting the retainer bell/hud layout bug (remember? housing interiors couldn't be accessed because they were so full of people cheesing).
Though, It was every few hours I believe, not daily.


But, this would all depend on whether or not this congestion is caused by a significant amount of exploiters, or if the servers are mostly filled with genuine players, and the tradeoffs that come with hammering the login servers with all the people wanting to get in AS WELL AS all of the people who were already in who want to get back.

I do think it's something they should be looking into though, just 'cause it worked so well back then.

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I'd imagine that most people playing right now are players trying to maximize their playtime. Sure, some are probably attempting to exploit the system by keeping themselves logged in by interacting with stuff, but that's probably a small number. Most people just want to log in and actually play. So no, I don't see it actually being beneficial. There's far too many trying to log in right now for such a measure to matter.

It's not unprecedented, and probably a decent chance it'll be implemented within 24 hours if they find it necessary. But, as long as they believe their AFK timers are working, probably not. And, very likely the game considers players active if they're using external programs to automate movement or whatever, so the game and devs have no visible way to accurately determine if inactive players are clogging up the servers.

In short, it might happen, but, with everything visible on the back end, they may determine it doesn't seem necessary.

Personally....... I think, maybe, I might suspect, given how quickly queues drop off later at night, the AFK timers may genuinely be sufficient. Sure, probably some getting around it. But I'm not sure a daily reset would actually solve anything the way some players want.

So here is the thing.

1.) Everyone that purchased a copy, in my case a PS5 and PC copy of Endwalker is a signal that hey I will be playing.

2.) With that in mind Square Enix knows who purchased and who is on trial. If they cannot support those that actually purchased the game then the free play should be the first to go. I mean we PAID for this game and access.

Next If I am in a queue starting at over 4000 then I should eventually be able to access the game that I purchased on two systems...let me break that down for you. If others have purchased on multiple platforms then the demand will be 1/3 at best and 1/2 at worst.

3.) With the first statement in mind...why is there not the correct infrastructure to support those that purchased the game. Either greed or negligence is at the core. I cannot believe that someone who has had an issue with too many players and not enough servers over four months ago is being blind sided by this.

Open more servers please...as it stands I cannot even play whether I am under the Shadowbringers or the free to play.

Again I purchased two copies and I know I am not the only one.

I love your game I love how you make it possible to get fully equipped and see every part of the storyline and game.

Please don't make me regret burning my bridge with World Of Warcraft.

New servers please.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'd imagine that most people playing right now are players trying to maximize their playtime. Sure, some are probably attempting to exploit the system by keeping themselves logged in by interacting with stuff, but that's probably a small number. Most people just want to log in and actually play. So no, I don't see it actually being beneficial. There's far too many trying to log in right now for such a measure to matter.

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I share the feeling that it's more likely that the exploiter problem isn't as bad as it was during SB launch, but I do still think they should investigate the possibility of it being a solution. Just in case.

I also think this might be due to a lot of people who aren't totally AFK, but who aren't really committed to anything and are too afraid to log out while they're doing other.... life-maintenance things. (cooking, eating, showering, chores, etc) If the queues can be just a bit less daunting, we might see a more healthy flow of people in and out of the servers.

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Originally Posted by Roda

I mean it did absolute wonders during SB. SB was about as impenetrable in the initial few days 'cause people were exploiting the retainer bell/hud layout bug (remember? housing interiors couldn't be accessed because they were so full of people cheesing).
Though, It was every few hours I believe, not daily.


But, this would all depend on whether or not this congestion is caused by a significant amount of exploiters, or if the servers are mostly filled with genuine players, and the tradeoffs that come with hammering the login servers with all the people wanting to get in AS WELL AS all of the people who were already in who want to get back.

I do think it's something they should be looking into though, just 'cause it worked so well back then.

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There are people massively exploiting man. There are people in these very forums boasting about staying logged on for days and using anti AFK tools. So yes they should do daily resets

People play at different times of the day. How would you feel if you were nearing the end of a Prae run only to get disconnected thanks to a "daily reset"? Plus, why would anyone have a need to stay on 24/7 when there's no queue until night time?

This needs to happen. More and more people are logging in early in the day and then flat out afk botting to keep their spot in the game. It's getting so bad that housing instances are getting congested from the amount of people in an inn / private residence just standing there wasting server space.


It worked the last two expansions, anyone advocating against it is either uninformed, or AFK botting themselves and want to keep doing so.

It's a bandaid solution, but given the parts shortages preventing server upgrades, it's probably better than nothing. Sucks for the people who were actually playing, but go blame the AFKers taking up space.

During off peak hours there are 2 or 3 digit queues, so there isn't a massive amount of people using exploits to stay logged in 24/7. A reset in the middle of the night would boot those people who went to bed expecting to still be on when they got up in the morning, but it's not gonna make much difference during peak hours.

I'm not against it if the time off is minimal and the in game warning is sufficient.

It'll make it a whole lot worse because suddenly everyone who was already in the game will also be queuing up.

The queue isn't necessarily caused by too many in the server, it's a bottle neck. The lobby server only lets so many in every 30s or so, to prevent too many people logging in at once.

If there's 5000 people ahead of you in the queue, it's still going to take a nour or so for the lobby server to feed you all into the server even if the server was suddenly empty.

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Originally Posted by MsQi

During off peak hours there are 2 or 3 digit queues, so there isn't a massive amount of people using exploits to stay logged in 24/7. A reset in the middle of the night would boot those people who went to bed expecting to still be on when they got up in the morning, but it's not gonna make much difference during peak hours.

I'm not against it if the time off is minimal and the in game warning is sufficient.

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You're misunderstanding what is happening. Hundreds or thousands of people log in during those non peak hours, and then set up afk botting shit so that when they come home from work, they skip the queue entirely. But they are taking up a spot in the server all day.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

It'll make it a whole lot worse because suddenly everyone who was already in the game will also be queuing up.

The queue isn't necessarily caused by too many in the server, it's a bottle neck. The lobby server only lets so many in every 30s or so, to prevent too many people logging in at once.

If there's 5000 people ahead of you in the queue, it's still going to take a nour or so for the lobby server to feed you all into the server even if the server was suddenly empty.

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Wrong.


https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...24153ef4405c13

The queues are due to the servers being literally full. The log in bottle neck isn't the issue. Read the post - 100 people get let in after 100 people disconnect from the server. A lot of this server space if taken up by players logging in first thing in the morning, and AFK botting all day so they skip the queue when they get home from work.

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Originally Posted by HazyAssaulter

You're misunderstanding what is happening. Hundreds or thousands of people log in during those non peak hours, and then set up afk botting shit so that when they come home from work, they skip the queue entirely. But they are taking up a spot in the server all day.

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I'm thinking you didn't understand what I said.