NPC recognition in Endwalker

I wonder just how many past NPCs will show up in Endwalker. I know all the job NPCs most likely in their respective role quests, but I wonder if any of the antagonists (other than the Ascians) will show up in the MSQ.

I wonder if any of those antagonists found out that they tried to murder the Warrior of Light, the world's foremost killer of gods. Sevestre from the AST chain particularly, who as a Sharlayan, should have known better.

Would be funny if Pandemonium includes basically all the antagonists you've killed. And they're like "Yeah... yeah, that was dumb. My bad."

I'm imagining there might be special NPC interaction for completing all the beast tribes to date, too. And the return of city-state storyline npcs if those storylines are revisited. Like, I can imagine meeting up with the merchant triplets again, or the first NPC you talked to in your citystate. As a Lominsan starter, its a small thing but I'd like to get an update on how Sevrin is doing. I'd like to see Baderon(and the other Adventurers' Guild proprietors) be relevant again, too.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

I wonder just how many past NPCs will show up in Endwalker. I know all the job NPCs most likely in their respective role quests, but I wonder if any of the antagonists (other than the Ascians) will show up in the MSQ.

I wonder if any of those antagonists found out that they tried to murder the Warrior of Light, the world's foremost killer of gods. Sevestre from the AST chain particularly, who as a Sharlayan, should have known better.

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The launch trailer showed plenty of them[both lalas from the SAM and Rogue quests, others from ishgard and the steppe] and Ishikawa reccomended having all classes to 80 for Endwalker during fanfest. Probably cause the job/class mentors will probably recognize you/interact with u etc, compared to just "ah ure the WoL"

I feel like they might show all of the various job trainers and beast tribes helping to fend off the terminus beasts in their respective nations in a big "Everyone is here!" moment some time before the climax, so doing their associated quests would just allow us to recognize them.

Hopefully they'll all have some new dialogue once everything is done and dusted too.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

The launch trailer showed plenty of them[both lalas from the SAM and Rogue quests, others from ishgard and the steppe] and Ishikawa reccomended having all classes to 80 for Endwalker during fanfest. Probably cause the job/class mentors will probably recognize you/interact with u etc, compared to just "ah ure the WoL"

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I was thinking of the antagonists too. I know the job/class trainers will probably be there, but there have been some loose ends. Like Pawah Mujuuk the poacher from the Archer quests (who pretty much disappears after the Archer quest chain ends), or Sevestre (who leads the faction of Sharlayan isolationists) from the AST chain.

I think it's mostly just these two antagonists who are unaccounted for as of now. The angry Duskwight from the Lancer quest chain shows up in PoTD (which means he died), the MNK antagonist from SB gets hunted down by the Corpse Brigade, and Alaqa from the WHM quests becomes your friend in the 80 job quest. Other job/class antagonists are finished off in their respective job/class quests.

Anyone else remember any other job/class quest antagonist that got away or is currently unaccounted for?

It is possible some of these characters will appear in the new role quests.

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Originally Posted by LystAP

I was thinking of the antagonists too. I know the job/class trainers will probably be there, but there have been some loose ends. Like Pawah Mujuuk the poacher from the Archer quests (who pretty much disappears after the Archer quest chain ends), or Sevestre (who leads the faction of Sharlayan isolationists) from the AST chain.

I think it's mostly just these two antagonists who are unaccounted for as of now. The angry Duskwight from the Lancer quest chain shows up in PoTD (which means he died), the MNK antagonist from SB gets hunted down by the Corpse Brigade, and Alaqa from the WHM quests becomes your friend in the 80 job quest. Other job/class antagonists are finished off in their respective job/class quests.

Anyone else remember any other job/class quest antagonist that got away or is currently unaccounted for?

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Considering Sevestres position in Sharlayan id expect we will see him one way or another, he is a member of the Forum after all.
Also wasnt Pawah captured after her defeat?

I have personally not tried to reach out and figure out what EW will be about, who's in it etc, just a desire to let it hit me all at once, and just see what happens. I have hopes Rab becomes the ruler of Ala Mhigo as a plot point. Would make me happy.

I hope Lyse messes something up and disappears forever, and that the story really just takes some needed twists and such. Really looking forward to EW tho. Honestly from what little I've allowed myself to see of it, I'm pleased.

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Originally Posted by Sauteed

I have personally not tried to reach out and figure out what EW will be about, who's in it etc, just a desire to let it hit me all at once, and just see what happens.

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This. I am doing my best to go in without any ideas or expectations of what will happen. Just let it come and get excited about the thing when I see it. Until then, my thoughts on what will happen are deliberately left blank and I'm just excited about the general concept of "new story"/"final chapter" without any thought of what will be in it.

I wish I could do that, but my brain won't stop building up the expectations.

I suspect all Job story NPCs will return in the Job role quest for Endwalker.

The reason being the Job Role quest for 6.0 maybe about all the Job NPCs from every Job quest storyline working together to deal with a threat with each Role Quest focusing on a different threat.

Thus building up for the eventual final job role quest story where all Job NPCs join forces to defeat the leader of these threat with dialogue altered based on if the player complete the Job storyline they are invovled in or not.

It will be a true endwalker style story for Job Role storyline quests to have all the job storyline finally lead to this conclusion in Season 1 storyline.

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Originally Posted by Sathona

Considering Sevestres position in Sharlayan id expect we will see him one way or another, he is a member of the Forum after all.
Also wasnt Pawah captured after her defeat?

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She was captured, but her ultimate fate was never revealed. I mean poaching in Gridania usually means death, but unless there's an explicit mention somewhere of her execution, it's left up in the air. I'm kind of hoping she'll have some tie with Keeper lore - which is probably going to go all wacky with the WoL going to the moon. All the other antagonists, such as Foulques or Theobald (MNK 70 antagonist) are explicitly shown or mentioned later to have died.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I suspect all Job story NPCs will return in the Job role quest for Endwalker.

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I have heard this theory, but I think that gets to be a bit of a struggle because you have to grapple with the logistics of writing something that's in-keeping for every single job NPC you pick, no matter where the player is in their story. Because frankly, the big draw of this one would be the acknowledgement of how you know all these people.

Like, let's just take tanks as an example (because low-key I think they have the biggest problems):

Paladin: Jenlyns goes from outright loathing the notion of being helped to readily acknowledging that the WoL is their superior, and the Sultansworn itself from being in ill-repute, to being noted as a total sham, to rebuilding its legitimacy. Solkzagyl from a disgraced thief, to dead, to... not dead but weirdly manipulative and of questionable morals. Constaint wasn't even around for ARR. You could drag in the Gladiators' Guild for them, but then Mylla goes from a woman of shaky convictions, positional legitimacy and emotional standing to a strong leader but ultimately lesser warrior, while Aldis goes from disgraced, to put to death, to a wanderer, to a masked anonymous agent, to a Samurai.

Warrior: So, there's no question you're going with Curious Gorge for the representative here. But in ARR he's a generally serious man struggling with the burden of the Inner Beast and occasionally giving in to it; in Heavensward he's basically tried to swear off Warrior-ing entirely, and in SB and ShB he takes a complete tonal swerve as the entire story becomes a rom-com. This one might be the hardest, because his entire direction shifts in a way you can't just conditionalize, and presenting one while the player is in the other will feel wrong.

Gunbreaker: Actually pretty much fine, because you're gonna be putting forward Radovan, and his character remains largely the same. You might want to also factor in Bozja progress with him, though, for some two-dimensional conditionalized dialog.

Dark Knight: Well... to summarize, OH NO! We're basically forced to use Sidurgu, because Fray has existence problems, so already we're going with the less popular character. But Sidurgu's not in 30-50 DRK and so is a complete whiff there, and goes through some crucially important character development that would basically influence all of his dialogue over the course of HW and to a lesser extent SB. And then we have to factor in Rielle; reasonably speaking Sidurgu's not gonna leave her behind, even though he really should, and how much she respects him changes immensely over the course of the storyline.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

I have heard this theory, but I think that gets to be a bit of a struggle because you have to grapple with the logistics of writing something that's in-keeping for every single job NPC you pick, no matter where the player is in their story. Because frankly, the big draw of this one would be the acknowledgement of how you know all these people.

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Agreed on this. It seems impossible to write a story featuring all the job quest people within the game's approach to optional storylines. (That is, if you haven't personally done it then – with some rare and early exceptions – it hasn't happened at all yet.)

If the job quest characters get a victory lap then I would expect something on par with the Heroes' Gauntlet where the role quest characters fight alongside us. They have variable dialogue depending on your progress with each quest line individually, but there's no need for them to relate to each other or drive any kind of plot.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

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The development team has cover this issue before with certain side stories (though hard to remember which one due to how many there are now) that have effect on the story or side story in some way due to being set before that specific point in the story. It was mostly they let the event play out the same but with the exception that WoL was not involved in that side story.

I'm still waiting for the Arcanist guildmaster K'hrid Tia to make his reappearance. Given he's renowned for the accuracy of his predictions and the last thing he said to us before walking out of the game for 8 years and counting is "we'll meet again, I'm 100% certain of it" he's long overdue a return and the end of days is as good an excuse as any.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The development team has cover this issue before with certain side stories (though hard to remember which one due to how many there are now) that have effect on the story or side story in some way due to being set before that specific point in the story. It was mostly they let the event play out the same but with the exception that WoL was not involved in that side story.

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Yes, absolutely, the technology exists and has for a very long time. (Incidentally, some examples I can immediately think of are meeting Tiamat after doing Coils, doing Eden after doing the all-roles capstone quest, and doing Eden, weirdly, after doing Scholar). It is not a question of 'is it technically possible'.

The problem is logistics. Again, with Tank alone you've now been forced to include at least four NPCs, each that have to have conditional dialog based on how much of their respective questline you've done, which in some cases would lead to a drastic change in all of their dialog (if not even further), and in some cases would require different outfits or the presence of entirely different NPCs based on when in that questline the player is at.

And there are a lot of different permutations. The tank storyline has to be written for 'have done every single job quest', 'have only done Dark Knight', 'have completed Gunbreaker, am partway through SB Warrior, abandoned Paladin in HW, and still haven't found Dark Knight', and basically every single other permutation. Hell, they probably need to write a version of the quest that assumes no tank storyline has been done, both to make sure that someone who hasn't done a single job quest and someone in the future with a hypothetical fifth tank released later are both still able to do the story.

Basically, it's really complicated!

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

The development team has cover this issue before with certain side stories (though hard to remember which one due to how many there are now) that have effect on the story or side story in some way due to being set before that specific point in the story. It was mostly they let the event play out the same but with the exception that WoL was not involved in that side story.

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This isn't what they do.

If the character is much the same at the start and end of the earlier story, and current events don't rely on it happening, then they can participate in later stories and they'll just gloss over it and not talk about whether it happened or not. Occasionally it will be highlighted as not happening, like Alisaie at level 60 will specifically say that your business at the Binding Coil was left half-finished even though the entirety of Coil happens at level 50 if you've done it.

If you didn't do it yourself, anything that changes as the consequence of a side story hasn't happened yet.

The Gunbreaker quests also involve a few Garleans, notably the scientist who also joined Garlon Ironworks and now works to help rebuild Ishgard.
The only villain of that questchain has been dispatched already.
Furthermore I think there is a lot of opportunity for NPC's from the Bozjan storyline to be involved in EW as well, such as Lyon or Pagaga.

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Originally Posted by Jonesybunny

Furthermore I think there is a lot of opportunity for NPC's from the Bozjan storyline to be involved in EW as well, such as Lyon or Pagaga.

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Pagaga maybe, since she seemed a bit of a fan favourite while not having any strong storyline or plot attached to her (unless I've perpetually missed a final skirmish involving her).

Though one character I saw suggested somewhere, that would easily make the jump, is the "evil scientist" guy who keeps thanking us for helping him field test his creations. We never actually see him and he'd be so easily introduced to non-Bozja-players as just that stereotype.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

This isn't what they do.

If the character is much the same at the start and end of the earlier story, and current events don't rely on it happening, then they can participate in later stories and they'll just gloss over it and not talk about whether it happened or not. Occasionally it will be highlighted as not happening, like Alisaie at level 60 will specifically say that your business at the Binding Coil was left half-finished even though the entirety of Coil happens at level 50 if you've done it.

If you didn't do it yourself, anything that changes as the consequence of a side story hasn't happened yet.

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I said certain ones, not all of them. Most of them are like this but I remember a small amount still played out without the WoL but they skip details about what happened but I don't remember which one since there are so many side stories now.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Yes, absolutely, the technology exists and has for a very long time. (Incidentally, some examples I can immediately think of are meeting Tiamat after doing Coils, doing Eden after doing the all-roles capstone quest, and doing Eden, weirdly, after doing Scholar). It is not a question of 'is it technically possible'.

The problem is logistics. Again, with Tank alone you've now been forced to include at least four NPCs, each that have to have conditional dialog based on how much of their respective questline you've done, which in some cases would lead to a drastic change in all of their dialog (if not even further), and in some cases would require different outfits or the presence of entirely different NPCs based on when in that questline the player is at.

And there are a lot of different permutations. The tank storyline has to be written for 'have done every single job quest', 'have only done Dark Knight', 'have completed Gunbreaker, am partway through SB Warrior, abandoned Paladin in HW, and still haven't found Dark Knight', and basically every single other permutation. Hell, they probably need to write a version of the quest that assumes no tank storyline has been done, both to make sure that someone who hasn't done a single job quest and someone in the future with a hypothetical fifth tank released later are both still able to do the story.

Basically, it's really complicated!

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Either way we will soon see how the Job role storyline is handled next week. We know certain Job NPCs may appear either way since we seen them in the trailer.

There is also the possibility SE may have the Job role quest option effect on the Job Role quest where at a certain point players are given dialogue option that determine which Job quest characters appear based on which Job quest they finished similar to what they did during that one moment in Shadowbringer MSQ that is determined by how many Job role quest they completed. Of course that may mean that have a special Everyone appears option if players complete all their Job role quest related to that Job role Quest.

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

I said certain ones, not all of them. Most of them are like this but I remember a small amount still played out without the WoL but they skip details about what happened but I don't remember which one since there are so many side stories now.

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The only one I can think of is the 30-50 DRG storyline, and even then only because it's said or implied that Nidhogg possessed Estinien once before fully taking over at the end of Heavensward.

As a rule, it isn't how they've handled optional storylines in years and I can't see them selectively starting it now.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

The only one I can think of is the 30-50 DRG storyline, and even then only because it's said or implied that Nidhogg possessed Estinien once before fully taking over at the end of Heavensward.

As a rule, it isn't how they've handled optional storylines in years and I can't see them selectively starting it now.

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Either way we will find out soon. With Endwalker being the finale of Season 1, Yoshi-p and the development team may put a lot of effort into the Job Role Quests as well.

Season 2 may continue the Job Role quest trend but we can't be certain how they handle things during this grand finale to Season 1 so everything are just guesses.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Pagaga maybe, since she seemed a bit of a fan favourite while not having any strong storyline or plot attached to her (unless I've perpetually missed a final skirmish involving her).

Though one character I saw suggested somewhere, that would easily make the jump, is the "evil scientist" guy who keeps thanking us for helping him field test his creations. We never actually see him and he'd be so easily introduced to non-Bozja-players as just that stereotype.

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Both of them are probably off the table. Sicinius got handed over to the reformed Dalmascan government by a disguised Lyon and Pagaga was with him at the time. Also, we actually do see Sicinius, just only briefly a couple of times (presumably his picture is not in the field notes because they don't 100% know what he looks like).

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Originally Posted by Hainiryun

I'm still waiting for the Arcanist guildmaster K'hrid Tia to make his reappearance. Given he's renowned for the accuracy of his predictions and the last thing he said to us before walking out of the game for 8 years and counting is "we'll meet again, I'm 100% certain of it" he's long overdue a return and the end of days is as good an excuse as any.

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That character was so annoying, I'm glad they never return to him. He's hardly even an actual guildmaster since he's quite literally never at his actual job. Just make it official and fire him and give Thubyrgeim the promotion she clearly deserves, she's a better rep for the guild anyway since she actually appears in MSQ.

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Originally Posted by GoldStarz

That character was so annoying, I'm glad they never return to him. He's hardly even an actual guildmaster since he's quite literally never at his actual job. Just make it official and fire him and give Thubyrgeim the promotion she clearly deserves, she's a better rep for the guild anyway since she actually appears in MSQ.

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I'd def like to see Thubyrgeim get a promotion. Maybe what's his face finally comes back long enough to pass leadership to her before running off again.