Remove Dun Scaith from WT

Seeing as hardly anybody queues for certain content, don't put it in wondrous trials.
Just populate the list of challenges from the most popular instances within the category, because, as a general rule, players don't get good value for their subs by just queueing for dead content

I mean, isn't that sort of counter-intuitive? Maybe those instances are added to give people an excuse/incentive to run them so that they won't be dead?

I mean... they could always make it mandatory for main story or other content similar to bozja and ivalice, lul

I remember the first time I actually queued for Fun Scaith like a few years ago, and waited in queue for over an hour and gave up. Sometime last year i queued for alliance raid, and got Dun Scaith of all things. I was not prepared. Nor was like 75% of the raid team lol.

We must have died 4 to 5 times each, except for a few who doing mechanics and actually quite supportive of the rest of us who hadn't gotten the raid before. I queued as paladin, having fully expected to get another World of Darkness or other CT raid, but was pleasantly surprised. I dont think I ever laughed so hard in my life.

No.

These are one of the few possible ways to make players get different duties via roulette instead of the living joke that is LotA/ST Roulette and A1n/A2n Roulette.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

No.

These are one of the few possible ways to make players get different duties via roulette instead of the living joke that is LotA/ST Roulette and A1n/A2n Roulette.

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That's the problem, though. ST and LoTA are too convenient. There's literally no appetite or incentive to do anything else totl the near complete-detriment of the other raids.

WT isn't enough to keep this content alive. At most it's an inconvenience to players unlucky enough to get them each week.

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Originally Posted by Bloodbeat

That's the problem, though. ST and LoTA are too convenient. There's literally no appetite or incentive to do anything else totl the near complete-detriment of the other raids.

WT isn't enough to keep this content alive. At most it's an inconvenience to players unlucky enough to get them each week.

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What would incentivize that content instead of removing it tho? I personally enjoyed it, and love a little challenging content. I get that it could seem like a road block for trying to achieve wt goals, but wt can be quite rewarding also, which incentivizes it enough for people to do it in general. Sorry you're not enjoying it.

What they should actually do is shunt CT raids into MSQ DR so alliance roulette goes back to being a good time and I can continue to never do MSQDR.

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Originally Posted by Bloodbeat

WT isn't enough to keep this content alive.

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Then shouldn't the solution to be WT and other incentives?

but dun scaith is fun...

Nah.

/10char.

Well, when i don't like a mission on my WT I just re-do something else

There are other options than Dun Scaith. I skip the alliance raids and just do the easy ones like extreme trials, normal raids and roulettes. You can use a second chance point to do one you previously did again.

But these trials ARE fun, that's the annoying part.
No content is fun if you have to run it ad nauseum. That's what ST has become, a joke with an exhausted punchline that people still tell every single day.

I just think a fix or omission would be better than spamming one of the notoriously easy challenges. Running Thornmarch extreme 9 times is hardly "wondrous"

It would be sad to take away the best raid in Heavensward just because people don't know the mechanics and the minority who do know don't explain it.

Also, it's always fun to see your whole raid go at the first bump and the raid ends up wype because not enough dps since 90% are dead.

We'll see what happens after the stat squish. We should lose most of the extra stats we get in LotA, Sycrus Tower, etc. Maybe they'll be closer to Dun Scaith in difficulty (and fun). And hopefully people will spam Crystal Tower a bit less.

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Originally Posted by Bloodbeat

But these trials ARE fun, that's the annoying part.
No content is fun if you have to run it ad nauseum. That's what ST has become, a joke with an exhausted punchline that people still tell every single day.

I just think a fix or omission would be better than spamming one of the notoriously easy challenges. Running Thornmarch extreme 9 times is hardly "wondrous"

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It's a sticker line up game that you play with a six year old. Stakes aren't high enough for this level of anger.

WT has always existed to goad people into doing content that is less likely to be run otherwise. It's not primarily there to give you goodies for doing whatever you want to do.

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Originally Posted by Leonerdo

We'll see what happens after the stat squish. We should lose most of the extra stats we get in LotA, Sycrus Tower, etc. Maybe they'll be closer to Dun Scaith in difficulty (and fun). And hopefully people will spam Crystal Tower a bit less.

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This is what I'm hoping for. I make a point of (almost) never leaving regardless of what I get in roulette, and I can count on one hand the number of times I ditched anything since I started playing. Better to take your lumps and just get it done, imo. Hopefully with the squish we won't end up skipping mechanics anymore... for a while, at least.

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Originally Posted by Mirhd

This is what I'm hoping for. I make a point of (almost) never leaving regardless of what I get in roulette, and I can count on one hand the number of times I ditched anything since I started playing. Better to take your lumps and just get it done, imo. Hopefully with the squish we won't end up skipping mechanics anymore... for a while, at least.

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I'm expecting alliance raid, normal raid, and trial roulettes to be an absolute mess for at least a month.

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Originally Posted by Leonerdo

We'll see what happens after the stat squish. We should lose most of the extra stats we get in LotA, Sycrus Tower, etc. Maybe they'll be closer to Dun Scaith in difficulty (and fun). And hopefully people will spam Crystal Tower a bit less.

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Maybe in an ideal world, but Yoshi explicitly said if they squish things correctly, players shouldn't even realize it happened. He said they don't want content to feel different to how it is now.

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Originally Posted by Daralii

I'm expecting alliance raid, normal raid, and trial roulettes to be an absolute mess for at least a month.

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I welcome it! Better than yet another Bore Tower run.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Maybe in an ideal world, but Yoshi explicitly said if they squish things correctly, players shouldn't even realize it happened. He said they don't want content to feel different to how it is now.

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Well that's disappointing. RIP my dreams. D:

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Maybe in an ideal world, but Yoshi explicitly said if they squish things correctly, players shouldn't even realize it happened. He said they don't want content to feel different to how it is now.

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He also said people could expect to see some mechanics in syrcus tower that haven't been seen for a while.

I believe he said unsynced runs should change very little

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Originally Posted by Bloodbeat

Seeing as hardly anybody queues for certain content, don't put it in wondrous trials.
Just populate the list of challenges from the most popular instances within the category, because, as a general rule, players don't get good value for their subs by just queueing for dead content

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Imagine if you had a choice to not run Dun Scaith.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

He also said people could expect to see some mechanics in syrcus tower that haven't been seen for a while.

I believe he said unsynced runs should change very little

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Did he?
That's very interesting. Thanks for the info~

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

He also said people could expect to see some mechanics in syrcus tower that haven't been seen for a while.

I believe he said unsynced runs should change very little

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CT raids will probably be a noticable change atleast with the first one since that became available pretty much right after players cleared praetorium and I think awarded ilvl 80? gear and was tuned for an ilvl below that. The stat squish I believe happens post 50 so people may not be face rolling that one like they do now with ilvl 120-130 gear bought with tomes. Same may happen on the second one but I imagine not to as much of a degree since it was tuned for a higher ilvl. The last of the 3 probably wont be noticeable since it came near the end of ARR.

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Originally Posted by ItMe

Maybe in an ideal world, but Yoshi explicitly said if they squish things correctly, players shouldn't even realize it happened. He said they don't want content to feel different to how it is now.

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He said doing content at ilevel shouldn't feel different if they do things right. Min ilevel should end up a bit easier while doing content overgeared or unsynced should be harder to the point where they were talking about adding a super echo buff while unsynced allow us to stomp old content in a similar way to how we currently do unsynced.

I like dun scaith... i like to jump at the opportunity when it pops up honestly

The entire point of roulettes and WT are to keep dead content alive. Also relics, come to think of it.

CT is not going to be affected by the stat squish at all. The stat squish has no effect on ARR content. It doesn't kick in until HW. I also have vague memories that when the expansion after EW hits, EW's stats will get squished, but I am not willing to listen through the presentations again to confirm that.

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Originally Posted by Arkdra

What they should actually do is shunt CT raids into MSQ DR so alliance roulette goes back to being a good time and I can continue to never do MSQDR.

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Wha!? I would run MSQ Roulette way more if I could get the Crystal Tower raids in there. They're more interesting while still being easy, not as long or as boring as Praetorium, and higher chance of getting a New Player bonus.

How about not running dun scaith then?
When I get Palace of the Dead in WT I tend to run only that since I have the shadowbringer relic quest active as an example.
You pick what you want to do and refilling your 9 chances etc is easy enough.

(I have been doing PotD and Brute Justice spam just for the card and almost every run I get new people so it is free tomes and chances bonus)

But ... but 9 times out of 10 there are nine easily soloable duties in the Wandering Tails? Why bother with something you have to queue for?

If you don't like a certain tail slot, you can always reset something more convenient for you after you've done every other slot you want. Normal Raid roulette is a good way to fish extra points for reset/shuffle.

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Originally Posted by juicybug

I like dun scaith... i like to jump at the opportunity when it pops up honestly

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Saaaaame. And after 6+ years, I still need that darn minion! :(

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Originally Posted by Bloodbeat

That's the problem, though. ST and LoTA are too convenient. There's literally no appetite or incentive to do anything else totl the near complete-detriment of the other raids.

WT isn't enough to keep this content alive. At most it's an inconvenience to players unlucky enough to get them each week.

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Do you understand why content needs to be incentivised?

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

Saaaaame. And after 6+ years, I still need that darn minion! :(

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Oh no not you too...
I swear, the sun is gonna go cold long before I get that frickin minion.
Good luck.

Im glad I get Dun Scaith from time to time, I start to feel physically sick each time I see CT in the roulette, At this point, I did CT thousand of times since it came out...
I honestly wish, we would get more Rabanstre, Ridorana and Orbonne, I rather wipe for 3 hours on those with new people than do CT again.