So about paladin questline

Does SE ever rewrite questline aside from the 1.0->2.0?

I love paladin or knight as a job, but the questline is like a shadow I cannot get rid of and whenever I take up the shield, it reminds me those shallow plots and lines, the class feels oddly embarrassing to play.

Paladin story sucks although it gets better in Stormblood and the level 80 quest is ok. But 30-60 is among the worst storyline in the game

From what I understand the PLD questline was more or less the same lore wise from 1.0-ARR - the first one certainly was, although you had to do a different battle in a different area (the 1.0 quest battle was instanced against two skeleton mobs that were remarkably strong). Jenlyns even said the "Bahamut's fang!" exclamation in 1.0 (thus hinting at what was to come in the Calamity), but as I never did the PLD Job quests in 1.0 past the first one I'm not sure if the others were the same, but I assume they were.

Officially the only Job quests that were changed from 1.0 to ARR was for WHM, due to a bit of lore established back then no longer being consistant with the game in ARR (specifically, the AF robe in 1.0 was literally unique, it was an elemental that changed itself into the robe for you - needless to say with so many people getting around in AF now that could no longer be handwaved away and so SE changed it to be a robe of Amdaporian design worn by a long deceased padjal). So I'm pretty confident the PLD quests were more or less the same from 1.0 to ARR.

The best part about the Paladin storyline is when we are Gladiators lol. Anyways, I agree, the PLD questline is really weak, I saw a post some time ago saying that the questline was inspired by classical "knightly" literature, where every knight wanted to be the best fighter, the most famous, etc of the realm, though it's obvious if they had gone with a more DnD fantasy for PLDs it would have been much better.

Looking forward for Endwalker though, despite not having job quests, it's fitting that they chose the PLD job to kill voidsents, maybe they will expand on it a little bit, don't know.

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Originally Posted by Yuella

Paladin story sucks although it gets better in Stormblood and the level 80 quest is ok. But 30-60 is among the worst storyline in the game

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Because those aren't PLD quests, they're a sequel/closure to GLA. The 30-50 quests are rather ok, though they don't have any real closure, but the 50-60 is objectively the worst of all jobs, even worse than WHM.

It wouldn't surprise me that part of the reason the devs stopped doing job quests altogether was because while some jobs like DRK or SCH had clear overarching stories going on for them, some jobs, like PLD, were basically just "....now what?", so their focus is better spent elsewhere /shrug

Gladiator and Paladin story 1-50 is fine, but the story for 50-60 felt like they ran out of ideas. The story for 60-70 there did not seem to be much of a story like for other jobs, but it was kept simple and I enjoyed it.

Paladin questline is why I'm glad they went to role quests instead. With so many questlines needing to be kept up, it's inevitable some turned out to be stinkers.

I see we are starting to pick at the bottom of the barrel here. XIV really is great when this is what there is to complain about.

The druid/whm questlines are bad all the time from 1 - 70. :) So be glad that there is a light in the end when playing a paladin. :)

Cheers

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Originally Posted by van_arn

Paladin questline is why I'm glad they went to role quests instead. With so many questlines needing to be kept up, it's inevitable some turned out to be stinkers.

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Eh, outside of a few bad ones, most of class/job stories are enjoyable. I rather not chopping the whole apple trees just cuz there are a few wormed ones.

30-50 MNK quests say hello. The 1-30 questline is pretty great with actual characters and a plot. Then it turned into, "Take this thing. Place it here. Fight some mobs and return. Oh you randomly learned a skill good job. Also your Monk archetype is an idiot." With a very light sprinkling of Ala Mhigo stuff. 50-60 wasn't too much better. Best summed up as, "Miqo'te are silly and yeah said archetype is a useless idiot."

Haven't done the whole thing yet but I share your pain, Paladins.

As much as I enjoyed some of the job quests, there's just too many jobs at this point to have each be given a compelling experience without it being a major resource drain. Let's look at the DRK quests which are generally widely celebrated. How much effort went into the story, cutscene animations, NPC design and localisation? The latter, let's not forget, needs to account for multiple different languages. Now multiply that by the amount of jobs that now exist and...it's probably more efficient for the development team to lean on the role quest model.

Furthermore, we already arguably had closure for the existing job storylines with the way in which the level 80 job quests played out in ShB.

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Originally Posted by Ferra

30-50 MNK quests say hello. The 1-30 questline is pretty great with actual characters and a plot. Then it turned into, "Take this thing. Place it here. Fight some mobs and return. Oh you randomly learned a skill good job. Also your Monk archetype is an idiot." With a very light sprinkling of Ala Mhigo stuff. 50-60 wasn't too much better. Best summed up as, "Miqo'te are silly and yeah said archetype is a useless idiot."

Haven't done the whole thing yet but I share your pain, Paladins.

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Ala Mhigo... Yet the Monk master didn't appear in Stormblood and Ala Mhigo's liberation?

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Originally Posted by Larirawiel

The druid/whm questlines are bad all the time from 1 - 70. :) So be glad that there is a light in the end when playing a paladin. :)

Cheers

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I enjoyed the Conjuror and White Mage story. It's nice to have a serious story every so often and I enjoyed purifying things. Was nice working with Raya and getting her brother a girlfriend/bodyguard.

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Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart

Ala Mhigo... Yet the Monk master didn't appear in Stormblood and Ala Mhigo's liberation?

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That's part of the ShB MNK questline, which is a huge step up because there's actual character development. Also the Pugilist Guild group returns and it's revealed Pugs can do things MNKs can't which I thought was a great touch. It's a huge step up compared to the other job quest lines.

I really do like the Pug cast a lot. It was nice to have a job story where there's no rivalry/in-fighting. Just wholesome group trying to better each other and function like a family.

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Originally Posted by Ferra

That's part of the ShB MNK questline, which is a huge step up because there's actual character development. Also the Pugilist Guild group returns and it's revealed Pugs can do things MNKs can't which I thought was a great touch. It's a huge step up compared to the other job quest lines.

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thats a part i liked in the quest line, cause it shows theres different martial arts etc with varying effectiveness, while a lot of games would consider the Pugs an inferior job to MNKs in similar quest lines.
While here both learn from each other.

The Paladin questline is truly something. It deserves an award-it takes the cake for being probably the most boring job questline in the game.

It's a product of unfortunate circumstances. With 1.0 lacking any distinct "kingdoms" and other core fantasy elements, there was no real place to put in a Paladin type class except...Ul'dah. For some reason. Since Ishgard was inaccessible and all. When I decided I wanted to try the class, I didn't think twice about boosting it since I knew I wouldn't be missing much in terms of story and I could learn its rotation on a training dummy.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

The Paladin questline is truly something. It deserves an award-it takes the cake for being probably the most boring job questline in the game.

It's a product of unfortunate circumstances. With 1.0 lacking any distinct "kingdoms" and other core fantasy elements, there was no real place to put in a Paladin type class except...Ul'dah. For some reason. Since Ishgard was inaccessible and all. When I decided I wanted to try the class, I didn't think twice about boosting it since I knew I wouldn't be missing much in terms of story and I could learn its rotation on a training dummy.

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Ishgard being not accessible is hardly an excuse for ARR class quests, considering Dragoon quest in 30-50 does it just fine without accessing the city.

Kinda off-topic, but not really: I boosted PLD and WAR and I didn't even need to read everywhere how bad PLD questline because I just gave up after the first one.

What about WAR, is it worth to play it on NG+?

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Originally Posted by yajnaji

Kinda off-topic, but not really: I boosted PLD and WAR and I didn't even need to read everywhere how bad PLD questline because I just gave up after the first one.

What about WAR, is it worth to play it on NG+?

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No, just ignore everything other than the 70 quest. It goes from a series of mediocre memes to grand memelord status in a single quest.

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Originally Posted by van_arn

No, just ignore everything other than the 70 quest. It goes from a series of mediocre memes to grand memelord status in a single quest.

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WAR quests are like... Hildibrand Lite

What's funny is the 80 PLD quest is probably one of my favorites among them. Some of them were neat, but a lot of them were kind of meh. Not a lot of them stood out much except dancer, which only stood out to me because the rest of the story was so boring and nonsensical that literally the only thing it had going for it was some really pretty screenshots and good music. So I mean. I dunno lol