Bad SAM?

Hey guys, I switched from tanking for 3 years to maining Sam over the last month. I really don't like job hopping and focus on my main in any game tbh. I love the job and am trying to be the best I can be with it but am always open to criticism and advice. I'm currently trying to augment as many pieces to 530 as possible before ew and I've noticed dancers and dragoons linking to other melee instead of me. I always have higanbana up on the boss, I pop third eye before every unavoidable aoe and follow up with Seigan, I always use Senei off cd and shisui as often as possible for more setsugekkas or double setsugekkas and always weave in shinten when i know it won't ruin a kaiten. I typically have 10-12k more hp then my dps counterparts in the 24 man's and am just wondering if people are linking to other dps to boost them or if I'm doing something wrong? I play on ps4 and would love a dps meter like details from wow so I could actually see what I'm dishing out in comparison.

There are many reasons why Dancers ain’t always pair with the job they’re supposed to.
Sometimes they pair with most gorgeous glamours dps in the grp.
Sometimes they pair solely with lalafell dps.
You shouldn’t concern yourself why they don’t pair with you, as long as you know what you’re doing ppl will notice that and blame that dancer instead.

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Originally Posted by RinaB

Hey guys, I switched from tanking for 3 years to maining Sam over the last month. I really don't like job hopping and focus on my main in any game tbh. I love the job and am trying to be the best I can be with it but am always open to criticism and advice. I'm currently trying to augment as many pieces to 530 as possible before ew and I've noticed dancers and dragoons linking to other melee instead of me. I always have higanbana up on the boss, I pop third eye before every unavoidable aoe and follow up with Seigan, I always use Senei off cd and shisui as often as possible for more setsugekkas or double setsugekkas and always weave in shinten when i know it won't ruin a kaiten. I typically have 10-12k more hp then my dps counterparts in the 24 man's and am just wondering if people are linking to other dps to boost them or if I'm doing something wrong? I play on ps4 and would love a dps meter like details from wow so I could actually see what I'm dishing out in comparison.

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The mistakes I see most with new sams make is drifting tsubame to much from raid buffs. With your gear set you might be drifting a lot with tsubsme because of how much skill speed you have, I would look at sks tiers on the balance discord. If you have the correct sks tier then look at how many fillers you have to do. I like having a single filler because you'll be using enpi as filler. Learning to loop helps a lot with newer sam's also.

Keeping uptime is the most important thing to do as a melee but samurai it's even more important because it can cause drift if you can't improvise.

I would check out the balance discord and ask specific questions there because they're a lot more knowledgeable there.

There's many other reasons as to why players are ST buffing an odd choice.

It can be because they macro'd it to not have to target.
It can be because they judge on another metric (gear, title).
It can be because it's their friend.

I wouldn't take that as people judging your DPS, I've seen dancer choosing a Samurai in poor gear rather than a full ilvl530 DPS.
Most people just go "Okay you get the buff because my mouse/macro decided so."

Thanks for the input guys, also Acece, I will look into that.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

There are many reasons why Dancers ain’t always pair with the job they’re supposed to.
Sometimes they pair with most gorgeous glamours dps in the grp.
Sometimes they pair solely with lalafell dps.
You shouldn’t concern yourself why they don’t pair with you, as long as you know what you’re doing ppl will notice that and blame that dancer instead.

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Don’t get me started xD funny enough that’s one of the reasons why one of my static friend doesn’t allow dancer when he starts party finder groups. He had so many negativ memory’s I’m pretty sure he has PTSD from them at this point.

Since you don’t have access to parsers as a PS4 player you can get a general sense of where you stand on dps from the enmity list. Outside of tanks and healers who obviously skew the results with enmity skills and healing, there are no enmity dumps in the game anymore on dps so your damage and enmity are going to line up fairly well. As a SAM you should realistically be top dps on enmity outside of a BLM, if you’re losing to other dps even if they’re getting dance partner your rotation is likely off which is particularly bad as a SAM since damage is all you bring to the table.

If you’re falling short then just do some research, look up rotation guides, gear guides, ask the balance discord and practice on the SSS dummies, eventually you’ll settle into the rotation.

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

There are many reasons why Dancers ain’t always pair with the job they’re supposed to.
Sometimes they pair with most gorgeous glamours dps in the grp.
Sometimes they pair solely with lalafell dps.
You shouldn’t concern yourself why they don’t pair with you, as long as you know what you’re doing ppl will notice that and blame that dancer instead.

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I recall trying to clear Titan Unreal, a fight I'm pretty knowledgeable of from ARR but had trouble getting a clear mostly because I delayed in clearing it.

As a BLM, I was topping threat and was able to get dance partner, but we just couldn't clear. So out of the blue I just went: "Hmm, maybe I'm not the best target for dance." Despite this objectively not being the case, subjectively we started playing round robin with the dance partner until we got the clear. When did it happen? Why, when we dance partnered the AST, of course.

All glory to giving dance to the least valid class, the morale alone was worth it in spades.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

I recall trying to clear Titan Unreal, a fight I'm pretty knowledgeable of from ARR but had trouble getting a clear mostly because I delayed in clearing it.

As a BLM, I was topping threat and was able to get dance partner, but we just couldn't clear. So out of the blue I just went: "Hmm, maybe I'm not the best target for dance." Despite this objectively not being the case, subjectively we started playing round robin with the dance partner until we got the clear. When did it happen? Why, when we dance partnered the AST, of course.

All glory to giving dance to the least valid class, the morale alone was worth it in spades.

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Sounds like you got a clear because everyone doing the mechanics right instead of who pair with who since you didn't mention enraged.
Really, enrage aside you shouldn't bother much about which one dancer is gonna paired with.

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Originally Posted by Taranok

I recall trying to clear Titan Unreal, a fight I'm pretty knowledgeable of from ARR but had trouble getting a clear mostly because I delayed in clearing it.

As a BLM, I was topping threat and was able to get dance partner, but we just couldn't clear. So out of the blue I just went: "Hmm, maybe I'm not the best target for dance." Despite this objectively not being the case, subjectively we started playing round robin with the dance partner until we got the clear. When did it happen? Why, when we dance partnered the AST, of course.

All glory to giving dance to the least valid class, the morale alone was worth it in spades.

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That's a pretty funny story~

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

Sounds like you got a clear because everyone doing the mechanics right instead of who pair with who since you didn't mention enraged.
Really, enrage aside you shouldn't bother much about which one dancer is gonna paired with.

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Oh it entirely was, but sometimes the best way to get a clear is to do something so blatantly counter intuitive that it just wraps around and becomes funny again. People in good spirits are more likely to not mess up, so even if it's just for the memes, share the love. And when someone dares to question you, just say that astrologians deserve some love too!

When I don't get DNC partner buff as SAM...

https://i.imgur.com/GdT7ziZ.jpg?1

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Originally Posted by Cabalabob

Since you don’t have access to parsers as a PS4 player you can get a general sense of where you stand on dps from the enmity list. Outside of tanks and healers who obviously skew the results with enmity skills and healing, there are no enmity dumps in the game anymore on dps so your damage and enmity are going to line up fairly well. As a SAM you should realistically be top dps on enmity outside of a BLM, if you’re losing to other dps even if they’re getting dance partner your rotation is likely off which is particularly bad as a SAM since damage is all you bring to the table.

If you’re falling short then just do some research, look up rotation guides, gear guides, ask the balance discord and practice on the SSS dummies, eventually you’ll settle into the rotation.

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On a few occasions I've had the tank die and either a red mage or machinist takes the agro but at the time I think it was because the fight did not favor melee at all or I was screwing up my rotation. It is true that SAM is easy to understand but has a high skill ceiling for optimal play.

Some dancers are just not as informed as others. It could be that you're genuinely not good at SAM, or it could be that some dancers just don't pick the strongest player. Nobody knows really.

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Some dancers are just not as informed as others. It could be that you're genuinely not good at SAM, or it could be that some dancers just don't pick the strongest player. Nobody knows really.

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I've never touched DNC, and know next to nothing about its mechanics. If I was to start playing it at 80 right now, my first impression is to partner up with the SAM and the only reason why that's the case is because of the ShB LL back in 2019. Even though when I play SAM I almost always get Dance partner, it has always not made much sense to me because for all that player knows, I could be biggest joke of a SAM that ever SAM'ed.

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Originally Posted by Gemina

I've never touched DNC, and know next to nothing about its mechanics. If I was to start playing it at 80 right now, my first impression is to partner up with the SAM and the only reason why that's the case is because of the ShB LL back in 2019. Even though when I play SAM I almost always get Dance partner, it has always not made much sense to me because for all that player knows, I could be biggest joke of a SAM that ever SAM'ed.

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Just pair with the dps with highest aggro regarless of their job.
but if all other dps are a big disappointment then you can pair with OT or MT and most Tanks loved that as far as I noticed.