This is something I've thought about for a bit, not sure if it's already been suggested before. It's hard not being able to talk about spoilers in my FC chat with others because there are newer players who haven't experienced that part of the story yet.
It would be nice to be able to freely speak about it while at the same time not ruining the others experiences.
Spoiler Chat Ingame
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10-18-2021, 06:53 AMKepiiSpoiler Chat Ingame
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10-18-2021, 06:59 AMValkyrie_Lenneth
Use tells or create a temp spoiler ls that people get invited to as they complete the story.
I don't think that hidden chat features will be easy to implement, and we have other ways to work around it. -
10-18-2021, 07:10 AMJeeqbit
I would suggest just knowing your chat. Some linkshells and free companies only contain veteran players and other ones have some low level players, so it's considerate to look and know who you are talking to.
You could make a linkshell for it or look for a discord server's spoiler channel. -
10-18-2021, 07:16 AMIzscha
Make a private linkshell with all the vets you do know in it so you talk freely about this kind of stuff.
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10-18-2021, 08:46 AMKepiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeeqbit
The point would be so that I wouldn't have to make a whole new channel or revert to tells (especially if I was in an instance and couldn't). For those that especially don't use discord or anything like that having an ingame feature like that would be neat. Plus, (imho) linkshells and cwl do not hold a very large amount of people.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth
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10-18-2021, 11:03 AMlezard21
The spoiler culture is so annoying and dumb.
"No Spoilers" makes sense in movies like 6th Sense because the whole movie was constructed around said twist, and without it you just have an average spookie movie.
When you build a good story and include a twist in it, the story stands on itself without having to crutch on said twist. Knowing about the Red Wedding in ASoIaF beforehand does not take away from how impactful and tragic the scene is. Knowing about the Eclipse in Berserk beforehand doesn't make it less shocking. Knowing that Snape always loved Harry's mother and has since protected him from the shadows doesn't make it less emotional. Knowing that the old guy was the creator of the Squid Games doesn't take away from the drama of everything that happened during said Squid Games. And everyone and their grandmother know that Aerith dies in FFVII and it's still Square Enix's most succesful milk cow.
On the other hand, take Season 8 Game of Thrones. No spoilers leaked out, and even with all the unspoiled EXPECTATION SUBVERSION twists it's regarded as one of the worst pieces of media ever written to the point of being so bad that it poisoned the whole well and killed 3 out of the 4 children the series was gonna have before they were even born.
With that being said, I don't think this game possess any of those moments to begin with, nor is it constructed around a big twist.
Surprise and shocking WOWEEH moments do not merit being spoiler tagged.
A character falling off a cliff and suddenly jumping out of the Lifestream shouting "ZIMBABWE!" does not merit being spoiler tagged.
A character that you haven't seen for 2 expansions that is still pretty much alive suddenly finding his pass for the return bus does not merit being spoiler tagged.
If your story has to rely on pikachufacesurprisejumpingoutofaboxscreaminginyourface moments, then the story is not good to begin with.
Twitter antics to Twitter, please. -
10-18-2021, 11:12 AMItMeHow many people would you be trying to banish to a late game discussion sub-chat that a new linkshell couldn't hold them all?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kepii
I don't think adding a spoiler sub chat would fare any better. Considering we can already make a chat for any purpose we want, and we can already just make one for late game discussions, it might be more prudent to ask that linkshells and the link simply be able to hold more members. That would also benefit every kind of chat and channel and not just spoiler specific ones.
On one hand, I thoroughly agree with you that spoiler culture has become needlessly extreme.Quote:
Originally Posted by lezard21
On the other hand, there's a big difference between seeing some spoilers and people actively and repeatedly discussing the later parts of a story you're engrossed in.
Trying to avoid such a situation is pretty understandable. -
10-18-2021, 11:13 AMYuella
When Endwalker comes, I will put the battle log tab on to avoid spoilers
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10-18-2021, 02:46 PMKnot_D
Just make pvp team chat and go chat spoiler there lol
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10-18-2021, 02:51 PMImora
My FC discord has a spoilers channel, but it's really annoying not to be like "holy crap X was awesome" in FC chat itself. The "spoilers" culture is fricking nuts here, especially on content that's already over 5 years old.
I typically do not hold spoilers on movies that are that old, or tv series that's that old, so why the hell should I hold video game stories that are that old? -
10-18-2021, 03:26 PMweebtext
Zenos twerks in Endwalker.
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10-18-2021, 05:40 PMBreakbeatYeah, I remember the days before anyone said that word, and those days were good.Quote:
Originally Posted by lezard21
One blustery evening in 1999, people somehow decided that 'spoilers' were an actual thing. Being so horribly disappointed by the Phantom Menace, folks started going outside after the movie and yelling 'spoilers' to the crowd waiting in line. I literally never heard the word before that. Thanks, George Lucas.
- Never went to school in 1985 and said, "DON'T tell me what happened on Knight Rider - SPOILERS!"
- Never showed up at work in 1990 and heard anyone bitching about someone spoiling Twin Peaks for them. "Laura's dad... is BOB! ... AARGH, SPOILERS!"
- Never had anyone walk out of T2 while I was waiting in line in 1991 and yell, "He ends up in a pot of molten steel!"
- Never saw anyone at work or school complaining about Star Trek: Voyager spoilers in 1995. And whoa boy, did we talk about it.
(Further on that last particular point, by '95 I was involved in heavy online discussion centered around ST and ST: Voyager in particular. There was nary a mention of 'spoilers' in thousands and thousands of usenet posts and endless hours of IRC.)
But, somehow, on that fateful day in 1999, everything changed. You could try to argue the point that people didn't "spoil" things before that day... but that would be ludicrous. Surely people went to work and school and the movies back in the day and talked about Knight Rider, Twin Peaks, Terminator 2 and Star Trek. We just didn't care if we heard an 'ending' or a 'secret'. At the very worst, it might have been a momentary pang of disappointment upon hearing these things.
Back in the day, we just dealt with 'momentary pangs of disappointment' on a personal, internal level. Today, we go online with 'momentary pangs of disappointment' to find the other sixty-five people that felt the same pangs, and turn that into a 'trend' or a #hashtagmovement.
Another point in the 'social media is a friggin' disease' column.
One day many years from now, we're going to look back on social media with the same disdain we have now for things like smoking. I mean, we quantify the cancer risk from cigarettes, and put it on the package. One day we will grow the hell up and realize that the brain is as valuable an organ as the lungs. Strike that - it's more valuable. You can live without lungs via machinery, or get a lung transplant. You cannot live without a brain under any circumstances.
Further, I'd argue that a broken brain is as hellish to live with as a cancerous lung. Maybe even more so, since a broken brain can be a life sentence, whereas cancer is either cured (you live normally) or it takes you (you have no further worries). You don't live out your life with 'a little bit of lung cancer that makes day-to-day life really suck'.
'Till we come to our senses, though, we just keep puffing away on social media. Ten packs a day. Adults, children, all of us. Puff, puff, puff.... #exhale. -
10-19-2021, 12:52 AMCatwho
When a new expansion comes out, I disabled all chat outside of my FC. No shout, no yell, no say chat. Just me and the story until I get all the way through.
I learned this the hard way during Heavensward when people shouted two character deaths in Churning Mists. -
10-19-2021, 03:59 AMKepiiSounds like you're one of those people who don't let new players experience the fun of the story then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Imora
Yeah, it sucks that there is no option to avoid all of that. Someone did the same thing on accident in chat when I was playing through. We have a lot of new players who are going through the stories, if people want to chat about the spoilers fine just avoid fc chat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catwho
Either way, linkshells work ok but you can't just join at your leisure, you still have to ask for an invite, etc. -
10-19-2021, 04:12 AMAsari5
where would i have to write if i have a question about yotsuyu? i didnt finish the story yet so im not in the spoiler chat.... but that would srill be a spoiler for people in HW
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10-19-2021, 04:38 AMlezard21In shout chat in one of the main cities or in Novice Network. That's where you'll more likely find people able to help you. No Spoiler freaks will just need to learn to cope with imaginary problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asari5