Just thinking about how SE has confirmed that the 1 DoT/1 Spammable DPS button will continue for WHM, SCH, and AST for the foreseeable future.
So as a possible step toward something marginally better that could eventually be expanded on, why couldn't the one button do more? It would not require learning a second button.
For example, Sage can turn a pew-pew button into a DoT. Summoner can now turn one into very different looking/feeling versions with different summons. You could even do the PvP thing where a single-target rotation is just the same button but three different animations/effects/potencies.
(To give an off-the-cuff possibility, SCH could get a Summoner-ish treatment and better use of Faerie gauge, WHM could use their lily gauge (or not, meh), and AST a secondary use of cards or a PvP-esque single-button rotation with star themes.)
I am not suggesting that more experienced and confident healers who are tired of being Glare/Broil/Malefic Mages give up on lobbying for bigger changes, but I think doing more with 1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1-1 play is a start.
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10-17-2021, 10:19 AMtinythinkerOne Button Wonder
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10-17-2021, 02:42 PMSilver-Strider
If SE is dead set on Healers only having 1 button press for a DoT and a Nuke, could they at least be consistent and give Healers an AoE DoT to go alongside our AoE Nuke as well? Its not as though WHM and SCH didn't have AoE DoTs before and its not as though we aren't already throwing out our single target DoT on trash pulls in dungeons while the tank rounds them up, so what's the harm of giving us that? If they're concerned that we'll try and combine the 2 DoTs in a single target, just do what they did with Thunder for BLM and make it apply the same DoT.
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10-17-2021, 05:05 PMSebazy
Aero 3 was such a fun ability to use. It boggles my mind that they deemed that to not be worth keeping.
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10-17-2021, 09:20 PMKDSilverHonestly... I can hear their reasonning behind not adding more DPS spell. Okay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sebazy
But for god sake... giving Aero 3 back (or one AOE dot) to every healer (that work in ST of course) is absolutely the very very least I could be asking right now.
And I would not understand saying that this would put stress on anyone. -
10-17-2021, 09:46 PMtinythinkerQuote:
Originally Posted by Silver-Strider
They could. They could even just give an AoE dot to replace single-target so there aren't extra buttons if that is a genuine concern. It would be less stress because during trash pulls less experienced/less confident healers don't have to tab-dot, tab-dot, tab-dot, tab-dot, tab-dot... (Personally I'm fine with a single target and an AoE target dot on the same bar, just thinking of the complexity concern being cited by SE.)Quote:
Originally Posted by KDSilver
Add that to the recommended variety for one-button spammables for something that at least has increased utility. -
10-18-2021, 04:34 AMGrimGale
After the great action culling of 5.0 we were promised that the whole idea behind it was to create a new base to build upon. We were given extensive healing tools and our DPS kit was dumbed down to a point healer dps became easy to mantain and shallow. It ensured ease of access, at the price of being monotonous.
Endwalker could have been the expansion to build upon what we had lost, add something we didn't have.
They added more mitigation and healing.
SCH did get something unique in the form of a speed buff and it's definitely welcome.
But it's a hefty price for two more years of monotonous Broil spam. -
10-18-2021, 07:19 AMDeceptus
Straight up, if they have no problem with 1 button filler spam, I have no problem with the following:
/macroicon Glare
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.3>
/ac Stone <t> <wait.2>
/echo Macro #1 finished <se.1>
Allows plenty of room for slide cast movement. It's a bit inefficient but if the FFXIV dev's don't care about efficiency, why should I? -
10-18-2021, 09:30 AMBooPooIs there anything wrong with this macro or using it? I kinda don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
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10-18-2021, 09:51 AMSemirhageYou end up losing a ton of potency with it. The base GCD with no additional spell speed is 2.5 seconds. By waiting 3 between casts, that macro ends up casting 2 (plus a little extra) fewer spells in its timeframe than you would casting them normally.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooPoo
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10-18-2021, 11:07 AMBrandedbladeDo it then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
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10-18-2021, 05:23 PMAbsurdityAbility macros are always incredibly inefficient because they don't have ability queuing so they always execute slower than just pressing the skill normally. Putting GCDs into macros is especially inefficient since on top of the missing ability queuing the <wait.x> command can't do decimals, it only works in full seconds so you always lose half a second between glare casts and that's assuming you have 0 spell speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by BooPoo
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10-18-2021, 05:54 PMty_taurusMrHappy created a Dos and Donts list for macros that's a good watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qshNKeDENlkQuote:
Originally Posted by BooPoo
There are some good marcos you can use for healers. A really great two that I recommend for SCH players to help consolidate hotbar space:
MACRO 1:
/micon "Summon Seraph"
/ac "Summon Seraph" <me>
/chotbar action "Consolation" 1 3
/wait 22
/chotbar action "Fey Blessing" 1 3
The "1 3" part is specifically for where my Fey Blessing/Consolation action goes on my hotbar. The 1 is which hotbar and the 3 is the position on that hotbar. For controller, how it works is it starts with 1 being < on the D pad when pressing L1 and goes clockwise. ^ is 2, > is 3, and v is 4. This rotation continues to your Square, Triangle, Circle, X, then the same for the R1 side with numbers 9-16.
Basically, this swaps Fey Blessing for Consolation when Summon Seraph is used and automatically returns it to Fey Blessing after 22 seconds. There's a small chance, depending on your inputs, that you might cancel returning it to Fey Blessing. When I do this on my hotbars, i also have a reset button action, which in this case looks like this:
MACRO 2:
/micon "Summon Eos"
/ac "Summon Eos" <me>
/chotbar action "Fey Blessing" 1 3
Even if you're mid-cast with something else, you can just tap Summon Eos to reset that hotbar space to Fey Blessing. It's important to use it on an infrequently used button of a similar function to avoid any weird clipping or unnecessary use of something you don't intend to use. -
10-18-2021, 09:24 PMDeceptusI do, in Bozja. All the time. And am still generally top 3 in damage most fights. Because there is often 1 minute + without any damage whatsoever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandedblade
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Originally Posted by BooPoo
I absolutely would NOT advocate this in any high level content whatsoever. But solo? Or boring content like Bozja? Yeah, macro away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Absurdity
IMHO, the macros are not "incredibly inefficient". Are they inefficient? Yes, but at most you'll lose a few GCDs a minute. or so. Hardly game breaking in casual content. These are healer DPS GCDs. Half the damage of what a DPS can do. -
10-18-2021, 09:45 PMBrandedbladeIt's not hard to do alot of damage in Bozja when the game is literally chucking large damage multipliers on you with essences and the like, no need to inflate your ego about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deceptus
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10-22-2021, 12:52 PMDogempireI'm pretty sure their point is that healer dps gives you a participation medal to the point where you can literally spam a single skill using a macro and do better than the vast majority of dps players, even if you are using an essence, it's still a single button that accounts for 70% of your damage and if you throw in dia that's another 14%Quote:
Originally Posted by Brandedblade
The only job that's somewhat comparable is having a red mage with a macro that just spams jolt into veraero/verthunder, and even then I'm sure you wouldn't get similar results in terms of damage if you compared the percentage of maximum potential damage -
10-22-2021, 01:40 PMBrandedbladeok /10charQuote:
Originally Posted by Dogempire
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10-23-2021, 09:37 AMNobleWinter
I wish healer could at least get the BLM treatment with Thundercloud procs on all the dots. Let it deal full damage on impact when the proc triggers so we have a reason to use it more than once every 30 seconds.