Reaper Question and Request

Does Arcane Circle become Plentiful Harvest? (If not, could it?)

And can Gluttony become Communio when Enshrouded.

Won't happen because the recasts are different and AC and Gluttony are Abilities while PH and Communion are a weaponskill and Spell respectively on the GCD.

Edit: I do understand your concern for Reaper though. Button bloat is going to be a thing since for controller players such as myself the full kit of Reaper requires 24 buttons at minimum. Not including Limit Break, Sprint and any associated Role actions.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Won't happen because the recasts are different and AC and Gluttony are Abilities while PH and Communion are a weaponskill and Spell respectively on the GCD.

Edit: I do understand your concern for Reaper though. Button bloat is going to be a thing since for controller players such as myself the full kit of Reaper requires 24 buttons at minimum. Not including Limit Break, Sprint and any associated Role actions.

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24's not that many, Sam's ending up at 35 with role actions.

Which classes don't use 24+ skills?
It's very normal to need 3 hotbars for just about everything.

DNC,MCH,WAR,WHM,RDM. BLM has a lot but you can get away with not using a few actions. Machinist is definitely the easiest to get behind. SMN might be joining the Smooth Moves brigade.

I'm sure like most classes Reaper will function fine on just 2 hotbars. 32 buttons seems like the sweet spot.

It's just going to take getting used to. Especially since Blood Stalk, Swathe, Gibbet, Gallows, Guillotine, SoulSow, Hell's Ingress and Hell's Egress all change into different actions.

Only role actions I can see prominent use of in PvE is Second Wind and Bloodbath. Everything else is largely unnecessary given that Reaper only has 2 positionals.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Won't happen because the recasts are different and AC and Gluttony are Abilities while PH and Communion are a weaponskill and Spell respectively on the GCD.

Edit: I do understand your concern for Reaper though. Button bloat is going to be a thing since for controller players such as myself the full kit of Reaper requires 24 buttons at minimum. Not including Limit Break, Sprint and any associated Role actions.

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I also play on controller. I was trying to map out the layout of how I would want my layout and just found I don't really have a good spot for some skills since we basically have single target and AoE versions of the same moves. (Honestly don't know why they can't just combine them at this point but w/e)

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

I also play on controller. I was trying to map out the layout of how I would want my layout and just found I don't really have a good spot for some skills since we basically have single target and AoE versions of the same moves. (Honestly don't know why they can't just combine them at this point but w/e)

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I won't worry about mapping them until Nov 19th.

It's either going to be 2 or 3 Hotbars. Probably the usual 32 buttons.

If it's 3 it'll specifically be for Shroud mode.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I won't worry about mapping them until Nov 19th.

It's either going to be 2 or 3 Hotbars. Probably the usual 32 buttons.

If it's 3 it'll specifically be for Shroud mode.

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Haha. I just like to plan ahead so I spend less time thinking about where I want each skill and more time leveling. I put Harpe, Egress, Ingress and Soulsow on the 3rd cross bar. Single target are on cross bar 1 and AoE on cross bar 2. The only spell I don't have placed is Communio, or Communion incase that was a spelling error lol.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Won't happen because the recasts are different and AC and Gluttony are Abilities while PH and Communion are a weaponskill and Spell respectively on the GCD.

Edit: I do understand your concern for Reaper though. Button bloat is going to be a thing since for controller players such as myself the full kit of Reaper requires 24 buttons at minimum. Not including Limit Break, Sprint and any associated Role actions.

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I don't think it being ability or weapon skill, or even different cooldowns play any role in whether they can turn into each other. GNB Continuation combo is a mix of weapon skills and abilities, and it is all on one button come Endwalker. DRG Geirskogul and Nostrond are on different cooldowns yet share a button.

They likely will not do this on reaper for those specific abilities.

So I've been thinking and instead of Gluttony becoming Communio, could Void Reaping and Cross Reaping become Communio when you only have 1 Death Gauge left after unlocking Communio? As well as Grim Reaping?

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Originally Posted by Burningskull

So I've been thinking and instead of Gluttony becoming Communio, could Void Reaping and Cross Reaping become Communio when you only have 1 Death Gauge left after unlocking Communio? As well as Grim Reaping?

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I prefer not to because as is it offers the choice of using a Physical attack instead of one with a cast time and unlike Cross/Void Communio does not benefit off of Bloodbath for those clutch situations in dungeons.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Won't happen because the recasts are different and AC and Gluttony are Abilities while PH and Communion are a weaponskill and Spell respectively on the GCD.

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Ninja's Bunshin (ability) turns into Phantom Kamaitachi (weaponskill)

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

Ninja's Bunshin (ability) turns into Phantom Kamaitachi (weaponskill)

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Bunshin is also a 90s CD and just in general have way more buttons to press.

RPR is already doing an insufferable amount of 1 2 3 spam ( to some extent NIN too ).
Do they really need more spamming of the same button?

It's really not that hard and basically every Job isn't actually pressing that many buttons I dunno why people have such issues with this.
Yeah it sounds like a lot when you just lump everything together, but it's really not in practice.
Granted I don't play with a controller but I also don't think that the game should be held back and restricted because of consoles, it already was in the graphics department and hasn't age all that well and I am fairly sure the overwhelming majority of people play with a keyboard and mouse.

Controller can be easily set up to handle 32 unique actions; 8 for each trigger modifier (l2,r2,l2r2,r2l2). This can go up to 40, even,, as 8 more come from r2r2 and l2l2. If you wanna be really plucky you can even designate a second xhotbar and swap to it with a simple press of r1, giving you 16 MORE on top of all that. Sprint can be mapped to the analog stick as well to free that button from one's hotbars.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

I prefer not to because as is it offers the choice of using a Physical attack instead of one with a cast time and unlike Cross/Void Communio does not benefit off of Bloodbath for those clutch situations in dungeons.

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I personally feel neither Communio or Harpe should have cast times. I didn't know it didn't proc Bloodbath but that seems like that something that needs to be fixed as well.

time ago, i learn to separate my crosshot bar in AoE and Single target skills, is safe me for the bloat of skills on any job in the game, in particular melee and tanks. Casters and rangers, usually i got everything in one set.

I think it would be reasonable to make Arcane Circle turn into Plentiful Harvest. I also think that it would be reasonable to turn the likes of something like Harpe into Communio. I don't think that Void/Cross Reaping should automatically turn into Communio, simply because it's on you as the player to get the button presses right. Communio's cast time is fine as well.

Context-specific button presses make a lot of sense on Reaper because you have a distinctly separate 'form' with certain actions that are only usable in that form. It would be like creating a shapeshifter job and forcing the player to keybind even actions that they weren't allowed to use outside of a particular form.

Turning Harpe into Communio is objectively bad if you want to delay ending Enshroud to line up with your next Enshroud and have a ranged attack option. And Communio ends Enshroud early.

Harpe/Whorl/SoD are amazing for this reason.

I do agree Arcane Circle should become Harvest. That would free up a slot.

Delaying Shroud is especially useful if you are doing the UUNGA BUUNGA 4x Shroud burst.