I'm calling shenanigans on the Duel-related Bozja notes.

A lot of players have grinded for months, and we're starting to call the notes a myth unless you get the duel itself which is guaranteed drop.

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We're going insane, please check the drop-rate if it is even correct. Its really weird how the Dalriada Notes despite the grind its more easier to get those than the Fate-duel related ones.

I can tell you i havent succeeded in a single duel yet. I have however 48 notes, only missing Gabriel and Lyon from Bozja.
So they do drop, except for those 2 but im guessing RNGeebus needs me to sacrifice more virgins.

inb4 people defending the dumpsterfire droprates with insightful and helpful comments like 'JuSt Do ThE DuElS cUz DrOpRaTe = ToTtAlLy FaIr AnD bAlAnCeD'

The other thread on this has already been asking for the ability to buy with coins since you basically drown in those. But alas, seems our pleas for sanity will continue to go unheard

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

inb4 people defending the dumpsterfire droprates with insightful and helpful comments like 'JuSt Do ThE DuElS cUz DrOpRaTe = ToTtAlLy FaIr AnD bAlAnCeD'

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Or the good old "RNG is RNG and if you don't like it, don't play an MMO". In an MMO that has a pity system for something as prestigious as encounter mounts.

I managed to get all the notes in a couple days. I had to do a few of them several times. If it is to much for you find something else to do.

The drop rate isn't so much the issue imo. The issue is more with fates that can take forever to spawn.
Best example for that is Absent friends and Steel of flames that can spawn once or twice per 3 hour timer.

At least they kinda-sorta dealt with the RNGfest of getting picked for a duel by adding the Notoriety system, but it doesn't solve much if the required fates rarely pop to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Thurmnmurmn

The drop rate isn't so much the issue imo. The issue is more with fates that can take forever to spawn.
Best example for that is Absent friends and Steel of flames that can spawn once or twice per 3 hour timer.

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They do take some time to spawn. You can speed it up a bit though by farming a certain mob. I forget the name of it. It has been awhile.

A month grinding Death kill murder and still missing that note
I think drop rate could get a buff as Bojza will soon be “old content”

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Originally Posted by gotaname1

inb4 people defending the dumpsterfire droprates with insightful and helpful comments like 'JuSt Do ThE DuElS cUz DrOpRaTe = ToTtAlLy FaIr AnD bAlAnCeD'

The other thread on this has already been asking for the ability to buy with coins since you basically drown in those. But alas, seems our pleas for sanity will continue to go unheard

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Correct. Just do the duels. They're not hard, watch a guide and try until you succeed. It's not like everything nice must be locked behind toddler level content.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

They do take some time to spawn. You can speed it up a bit though by farming a certain mob. I forget the name of it. It has been awhile.

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I believe they're the scorpion magitek units in z3, up where FAF and SoF spawn. SoF was the one I barely ever saw and the only way outside of duels to get Saurt's note, so I was there for a few days just mass murdering those trying to get it to pop.

Drop rate is indeed pretty terrible at times. I basically managed every single note except Saurt's, even some of the ones more people seemed to have trouble getting (like Dabog), and god. I adore my bike, but I am never grinding it on anyone else ever again. I like what little sanity I have left, thank you very much.

The last one I'm missing is the Steal and Flames. The last few times I had a chance to camp it, the FATE chain never even spawned. CLL spawned and finished twice in that time frame.

At this point, I'd like the option to just buy the last notes for 999 platinum or something stupid. At least I'd have a way to 'earn' it instead of having to waste my precious in game time killing hundreds of scorpions for hours and praying.

I like the idea of the duel fates, but i wish they were implemented differently
Kinda like wow's mage tower system in legion, just let us queue for it in a solo scenario when the fate is active for say, an hour? and you can attempt as many times as you want
I find them fun but having to wait hours upon hours just for a chance at trying again is not very engaging

Meh, just throw them in the cash shop.

By some miracle I got the Dabog note tonight, but the one from "Of Steel & Flames" really doesn't spawn enough and I'm back onto the wheel of insanity except longer. ._.

God help my soul, not sure if the bike is worth it anymore.

It's pretty RNG and funny thing is, I'm already used to it. Luckily I got them all by just the Skirmishes, had to camp and re-enter for alot of time.

All of Bozja note farming is a literal mind-shattering experience thus far.
It took me a month of farming Sartauvoir's notes despite doing the Absent Friends Fate chain multiple times a day for a month.
I got lucky with Murder Death Kill but it was the only one. I spent days getting Dabog II, and I am now 0/75 on Lyon II notes from Dalriada.
Yes I know you can cheese duels n stuff, but first they have to pop, I have to not have my kid pestering me, then I have to get lucky against 2-5 other people trying to also get the duel, I also have to have very specific actions to which I frustratingly do not posess.
I do dalriada 1-3 times a day (took some breaks for a few days here and there to save my sanity) but Ive been no kidding working on just lyon II note for an entire MONTH or more now!
I just need Lyon for gods sake and It never drops. Its also insanely disheartening to see others get it, or folks in my FC get it, but for me. its never.
This 1 note has nearly broken me on multiple occasions . Hence my need for several day breaks.

Human beings can stand incredible duress and weather incredible tedium IF there is a visible end in sight. That end may be months off, but as long as it's there people will be able to endure MUCH better than "well.. maybe this month, maybe next year".

Adding progression, even exceedingly slow progression with a visible end in sight is a good idea. We do it with mounts and other items.. why can't we do it with the notes.. which are in themselves progression toward just one mount.

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Originally Posted by Krotoan

Human beings can stand incredible duress and weather incredible tedium IF there is a visible end in sight. That end may be months off, but as long as it's there people will be able to endure MUCH better than "well.. maybe this month, maybe next year".

Adding progression, even exceedingly slow progression with a visible end in sight is a good idea. We do it with mounts and other items.. why can't we do it with the notes.. which are in themselves progression toward just one mount.

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Because there's already a way to obtain them with a 100% probability, at least for the notes that also drop from duels. Extreme mounts are a much more frustrating experience.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

A lot of players have grinded for months, and we're starting to call the notes a myth unless you get the duel itself which is guaranteed drop.

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We're going insane, please check the drop-rate if it is even correct. Its really weird how the Dalriada Notes despite the grind its more easier to get those than the Fate-duel related ones.

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I got my notes complete without doing any duels. Just takes time and patience as well as persistence. Dalraida notes took longer than the fates for me mostly.

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Originally Posted by Lastelli

Because there's already a way to obtain them with a 100% probability, at least for the notes that also drop from duels. Extreme mounts are a much more frustrating experience.

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IF you get the duel and IF you know how to do it perfectly or have the potskill to cheese it and IF the game doesn't lag you into one of the always fatal AOE's.

I got all but one note without doing any duel. The only one I don't have is Lyon from southern front. It drops from the duel or from castrum lacus litore, and I think I'll try the duel because I don't really feel like grinding castrum. They are rare but they do drop. (not sure about the suthern front lyon though).

The amount of fearmongering (which is understandable ironically) against the duel is pretty staggering.

I think the duel ones are fine and I just recommend doing the cheese strat if these are your last ones and due to the notoriety system you will eventually be picked for these (it'll take time but be better than just rng).

However I think a few notes could be allowed to drop from some additional skirmishes particularly Meryrll' s notes in Zadnor, this is a 2* note that only drops from a rare spawning skirmish chain (due to being tied to a duel) , this note was my 2nd to last due to getting this skirmish to spawn and rng just being awful.

I think the duel system is flawed in this game.


1) It is not something you can practice. A raid can be wiped and re-attempted multi times. This one? One mistake and your entire attempt is gone for a while. I will take Blade and Soul for example. This game does many things wrong, but its solo dungeons when first released are always good challenge to tackle. You will tank floor or a lot, but step by step, you will learn the fight and gain confident along the way. Duels in FF14? You have a chance to be selected, and a chance to win with zero-training.



2) Stage anxiety, because other people will gather, if not for watching you, it it for the x2 mettle buff. No one will say a thing if you lose, mainly cuz they don't dare to as FF14 is known for having strict GM that will ban criticism against other players. Some will certainly feel bitter, however, because their chance to get something nice is determined whether then guy in that duel performs well or not (mostly not). It raises unnecessary resentment, even just a for a brief while.


3) Being able to cheese if you play certain classes. Honestly, it is rare to see duels withouting see a class that is not a caster equipped with Lost Flare Stare + a ton of buff. There are people who do non-cheese and win, of course, but they are like 1 out 10. While it may be nice for players to have an easy way out, especially in this "challenging yourself" content, I don't see the point of having a cheese. It makes the title you earn from winning those duels feel cheap.


And then, we have the loot. The cute RNG loot. There must be some kind of rule-of-thumb that RNG as the only way toward achievement is a bane of all joy. Don't bother defend it if you're lucky with your loot after doing a FATE a few times/day and get a luckly drop after a week, cuz some people do hundreds for a month and see nothing but frustration.

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Originally Posted by Kaliesto

A lot of players have grinded for months, and we're starting to call the notes a myth unless you get the duel itself which is guaranteed drop.

Something is wrong with this picture

We're going insane, please check the drop-rate if it is even correct. Its really weird how the Dalriada Notes despite the grind its more easier to get those than the Fate-duel related ones.

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Ouch! Hope you can complete your stuff soon!