Can you stop the chat scroll?

Topic. As someone who RPs frequently, sometimes I miss a message or have to spend more time reading it to make sure I catch the details for a proper reply.

I scroll up and then the chat box scrolls down to contest me. In busy areas this can result in a constant tug of war.

I did a search on a fix but couldn't find anything...Is there anything that can be done to stop the auto-scroll?

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Originally Posted by Ferra

Topic. As someone who RPs frequently, sometimes I miss a message or have to spend more time reading it to make sure I catch the details for a proper reply.

I scroll up and then the chat box scrolls down to contest me. In busy areas this can result in a constant tug of war.

I did a search on a fix but couldn't find anything...Is there anything that can be done to stop the auto-scroll?

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Not sure tbh, your best bet might be to separate your chat into different tabs. Hide all of the log spam in one, say chat in another, tells in a 3rd, etc. It helps declutter it at least.

Third party stuff exists for it, but ofc, we have a TOS consideration there.

I do have a tab for tells but with 'say' if other folks are around, it's just gonna get shoved down.

Having an exclusive 'say' tab helps but...Feel like it's just gonna be something I'll have to deal with.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

Third party stuff exists for it, but ofc, we have a TOS consideration there.

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I may have to do some unofficial research in that case...Anyway, thanks for the suggestions you two!

There's no need to put yourself in danger of getting banned using third party tools.
Scroll up past the current displayed messages and the chat box stops scrolling.

It would be nice to not have to scroll up past multiple messages while the chat is constantly rolling down. Scrolling up one message should be enough to stop the chat from moving on its own. Hunts are a nightmare to link because i try to click the flag link, it moves, i scroll up try to click it, chat moves again repeatedly.

Kinda wish this game gives more chat tabs. 4 tabs are a little too few.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Scroll up past the current displayed messages and the chat box stops scrolling.

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But it doesn't though. If you receive anything in the current chat box that is scrolled back, it scrolls itself back down to display the new message.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

But it doesn't though. If you receive anything in the current chat box that is scrolled back, it scrolls itself back down to display the new message.

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That only happens if you receive something while you're scrolling past that first message.
Once it's out of view it stops scrolling.

All I know is that if I need to scroll back to read something, it's frustrating to have the window scroll me to a newly received message. Or, in the case of public chat, a message doesn't even have to be directed at me. Stuff like:

- Public chat where I've scrolled back to read something, and the window keeps scrolling me back to current messages, which can happen once every couple of seconds, causing me to then scroll back to what I wanted to read, then get pulled back to incoming text, etc., etc.

- Dungeon groups where I've scrolled back to catch something important that was said (while keeping up with the group) only to have my text scrolled back because someone said, "OK".

I prefer my scrolled-back text to stay where I put it, regardless of incoming messages or text. The tab should blink or gain an icon upon new text received - like virtually all other notifications on the planet - not rip you away from what you're reading to display new incoming info.

Heck, this could even be optional. 'Don't adjust my chat scrolls', check the box, EZPZ.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

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You can add sounds to notify you. Dunno if that helps you or anyone at all.


I don't have an issue reading back chat but i will also full screen it from time to time if RPing or just chatting in a busy area. I usually don't miss in instance talking. Is it harder for PC players to full screen the chat? Pretty sure its called extend(ed).

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Originally Posted by Canadane

There's no need to put yourself in danger of getting banned using third party tools.
Scroll up past the current displayed messages and the chat box stops scrolling.

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And then something pops up in your log and it automatically goes to the bottom.

It sucks and I also wish when you scrolled up the chat would stay stationary.

It's not the best solution, but usually I just keep a notepad document open on the side. Click and drag through an RP response, crtl+c, then crtl+v into the notepad so I can freely look back to it as needed.

Fighting with the chat scroll in crowded areas is too much of a nightmare otherwise, and it helps me keep everything organized and saved for archival purposes. Also lets me freely type out and see the entirety of my post before I post it, which can help me a lot personally since I lose track otherwise, or if I want to rewrite something before posting it, I don't have to fight with the text box.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

That only happens if you receive something while you're scrolling past that first message.
Once it's out of view it stops scrolling.

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Cool, what ToS violating add-on are you using to fix that? Asking for a friend BTW.

Or would if most of them didn't bounce off this game due to the horrendous chat implementation. I came here with the remnants of the Wildstar RP community when that game folded. Very few of the new to XIV people stuck around because chat here sucks for both direct and indirect reasons. Since chat is so awful much of the XIV RP community has become extremely insular just to make things manageable. Gotta be in the right FC or Linkshell.

Wildstar was another game with addons and there were a couple specifically made to smooth chat. They normalized emote and speech so that each had a consistent color. You could set up keywords to give you an audible clue when somebody mentioned them. Here? Good luck waiting for Square to build that QoL.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

And then something pops up in your log and it automatically goes to the bottom.

It sucks and I also wish when you scrolled up the chat would stay stationary.

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It does not do this if you scroll past the most current message, which may be multiple lines up if someone had something long to say.

Yeah it's super annoying having to fight the chat scroll when I'm trying to read stuff in an active chat. Especially if it's a VERY active chat and I have to basically stop what I'm doing and make the chat window cover my whole screen just to follow a conversation.

Yes this has been a problem for me more than once. It's irritating.

If there's an option somewhere to shut it off entirely I'd love to hear it, but I don't think there is.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Cool, what ToS violating add-on are you using to fix that? Asking for a friend BTW.

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None at all, I'm staunchly anti-addon.
I even made this video showing what I am talking about since it's built right into the game. All I did was get someone to start counting to simulate chat activity, and scroll up to stop it.
Hyperion Novice Network unknowingly helped out too I guess.

https://youtu.be/a1HkC7eXg3M
Excuse my low production value, it was a rather quickly made thing here.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Cool, what ToS violating add-on are you using to fix that? Asking for a friend BTW.

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Can't give any links to such things here. Googling "Dalamud chat" should lead you to answers, but you'll need to figure out the remaining steps on your own.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

https://youtu.be/a1HkC7eXg3M

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This only works when single-line messages are coming through. If you start scrolling up as a multi-line message is posted, you only end up fighting against the autoscroll, which is really annoying. It's just not a consistent method to stop it.

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Originally Posted by Sove92

This only works when single-line messages are coming through. If you start scrolling up as a multi-line message is posted, you only end up fighting against the autoscroll, which is really annoying. It's just not a consistent method to stop it.

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Indeed your right though I did mention that in the video description.
You may need to "fight" the message but other than some obnoxious long spam or something you only have to go from a small flick of the mouse wheel to a scroll of the mouse wheel.
It's never really been troublesome I've found.

Yes, there is a way, but only through illegal QoL mods. Such basic luxurious features should be restricted to those willing to risk their accounts, after all.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You may need to "fight" the message but other than some obnoxious long spam or something you only have to go from a small flick of the mouse wheel to a scroll of the mouse wheel.

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Having to fight and scroll is the problem we are asking to get fixed. As someone who is also against mods, I'm in 7 hunt linkshells and cw linkshells to try and foster an active hunting community with in game tools. I don't care about the spam itself. What is obnoxious is the game fighting against my intent to read and click a message while people are spreading the info.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

You can add sounds to notify you. Dunno if that helps you or anyone at all.

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Yes, my sounds at default and if I receive a /tell then there is a sound for that. That's not our issue, though. The issue is the chat box scrolling by itself. I don't really need a notification, I was just saying that instead of scrolling the chat box back, it should simply notify you that you've received a new message by either lighting up the tab, adding an icon to the tab.

And nope, I can full-screen chat if I want, that's not the issue either. I'm quite minimal when it comes to game UIs, and I'd rather not sacrifice 20% of my screen real estate to a chat box for the occasional scroll-back. I just want the thing to stay where it is, when I scroll back. The same behavior as:

- Any other text chat box in any game I can think of (notify of incoming message, not auto-scroll)
- Any messaging program (notifies you, obviously - when you're on your phone and get a text, it doesn't automatically switch focus to the messaging app and show you the text)
- A website (will not move your scroll position from where you've chosen, for any reason at all)
- A book (no one changes pages on me while I am reading)
- Literally anything else in life (my chosen text tends to stay where I put it, anywhere).

NOTE: My personal problem with this is solved, via "methods". I only jumped in on this to back up OP when people questioned that the issue even exists.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Cool, what ToS violating add-on are you using to fix that? Asking for a friend BTW.

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Discord chat bridge, for one. Handles all your chat in Discord; no more need to worry about auto-scrolling chat boxes.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

you only have to go from a small flick of the mouse wheel to a scroll of the mouse wheel.
It's never really been troublesome I've found.

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This is what happens, and I guess this is the issue that some people don't understand (or care about, or personally have, and that's fine too). But this is what would happen to me:

(Get a message) --> Hey, Billy, I wanted to...
(Scrolls off page due to Limsa Chat)
(I scroll back to the "Hey, Billy" message, which, yes, is a scroll instead of a flick. OK, great.)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my friends in about a half hour? We...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my friends in about a half hour? We're going to do a bunch of FATEs and...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my friends in about a half hour? We're going to do a bunch of FATEs and then probably run a dungeon. Not...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my friends in about a half hour? We're going to do a bunch of FATEs and then probably run a dungeon. Not sure which one yet. Any...
(Auto scroll-back)
(Scroll of the mouse wheel)
"Hey Billy, I wanted to see if you'd like to group up with me and my friends in about a half hour? We're going to do a bunch of FATEs and then probably run a dungeon. Not sure which one yet. Any ideas?

That's how it goes sometimes. Yeah, separate chat into windows will help. Yes, a notification would help. Yes, fullscreening would help.

A toggle for "don't adjust my chat positions," would also help.

(Edit: NOTE: My personal problem with this is solved, via "methods". I only jumped in on this to back up OP when people questioned that the issue even exists.)

Yeah Breakbeat sums it up pretty well. It's a minor inconvenience, sure, but it's still an incredibly annoying one.

To echo another poster, I'm also in multiple hunt linkshells, one of which is extremely active on the regular, I have several active friends spread across servers which sometimes leads to active linkshell + cwls + fc chat at the same time, which becomes a disaster if I'm in a major city on top of all of that.

Not always a problem, and I've already done some shuffling of what information shows up in what chat window, but it's still enough that I'd love to just be able to turn off the scrolling entirely.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

Discord chat bridge, for one. Handles all your chat in Discord; no more need to worry about auto-scrolling chat boxes.

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Clearly my sarcasm is lost on y'all. Of course I'm used to that and normally I'd let it go but this deserves a response.

Besides the Discord requirement (which is still a hard 'no' for many folks) that forces the user to either alt-tab (or whatever abomination the Mac users have to put up with) or have a 2nd monitor. Sadly work stole that desktop real estate so no Disney+ for me during MSQ roulette! Sure you can probably play games with overlays but may as well skip the middleman entirely at that point.

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I was somewhat bored today so decided to do a gut-check on my snark. Oddly enough the results were in-deterministic. Sometimes the chatbox would jump, other times it wouldn't. I couldn't figure out the pattern. I suspect custom emotes (/em blah blah blah) and shout may force a scroll while standard emotes (/dance) and say did not. Sadly, when scrolling back prevented the jumps there was no indication that there were new messages. There was no blink, no tab title highlight, not even a change in size of the thumb portion of the scrollbar. That's just asking to fall far behind in a conversation.

Then there's that whole having to fight the chat box when it insists on scrolling. Yeah, no. Crap UX is complete crap.

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Clearly my sarcasm is lost on y'all. Of course I'm used to that and normally I'd let it go but this deserves a response.

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Emphasis mine. You're used to people 'not getting your sarcasm,' because you're not doing sarcasm right. It ain't "lost on y'all," so no, we aren't all idiots. You just didn't say anything sarcastic... which is probably what happened in the past and probably why it's happened so many times that you're 'used to that'. /shrug

Your intent might have been sarcasm, and I am sorry I didn't infer that from your non-sarcastic point-blank question about which addon to use, and the fact you said 'asking for a friend' (which, further, means you want to know yourself). The words you typed aren't sarcastic in any sense of the term, so it would have been quite a leap to label anything you said as sarcasm.

When people say 'asking for a friend', they actually mean 'asking for themselves' but are embarrassed or hesitant to say so. That's how the whole 'asking for a friend' thing works. You don't say 'asking for a friend' when you want to be sarcastic; that's not sarcasm. You say 'asking for a friend' when you really want to know, but you don't want others to know you want to know. It would be labeled as a subterfuge if anything.

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"Hey bro, after you workout and lift for an hour, does Oil of Olay really help your skin stay soft and oh-so-smooth? Asking for a friend."

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That's not sarcasm. That's a person embarrassed to admit they want to use Oil of Olay on their buffed-out muscles, and using subterfuge to obtain the information they seek.

OK, I've digressed enough, I think. Point is I resent the inference that I'm 'too dim to get your wit' and the patronizing manner in which you said it. ("Oh, well I normally wouldn't bother to respond, but I'll do so now just to set this person straight..."). That's kinda rude when you clearly don't have a grasp on sarcasm yourself.

/sigh

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Originally Posted by GeminiReed

Besides the Discord requirement (which is still a hard 'no' for many folks) that forces the user to either alt-tab (or whatever abomination the Mac users have to put up with) or have a 2nd monitor. Sadly work stole that desktop real estate so no Disney+ for me during MSQ roulette! Sure you can probably play games with overlays but may as well skip the middleman entirely at that point.

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My suggestion wasn't meant to declare the end-all-be-all of chat mods. There are others. In fact, the more I search, the more I find. I only suggested DB because A) it's what I use, and B) it's very, very simple to get used to if you already have Discord open, or you use it regularly, etc.

- If you actually still really want to know ("asking for a friend") then seek out and use one of the other chat addons that will stop the auto-scroll.
- If you don't really want to know, and just want to practice sarcasm, reply with something sarcastic like:

"Yeah, Billy, I've fallen in love with your advice so deeply I'm divesting myself of all possessions, except my computer, and dedicating my life to exploring the world of chat addons."