The second final days

Before starting I would like to clarify by saying the second final days. I mean the one that is started by both Zenos & Fandaniel and the whole plot point of Endwalker. This way it's easier to differentiate it from the final days of the ancients.
So this thought came to my mind a few days ago, shared it on Discord afterward then thought today about sharing it here as well.
I'm going to start by asking: Is the second final days going to be regarded as the 8th Calamity?
Now i know the second final days isn't a rejoining, and I'm not seeking an answer from the player or lore perspectives, but from the common folk themselves who have no idea about the existence of other worlds ( Shards and Other whole planets ) as well as how a calamity work, builds, or come from.
To the common folk, a calamity is simply an apocalyptic-like event. The second final days is also an apocalyptic-like event. To them, what's the difference? This brings me back to the question i asked earlier. Is the second final days going to be regarded as the 8th Calamity by the people of the source?

I see where you're coming from but I'm guessing probably not if it doesn't affect the world's aether in umbra/astral cycles etc the way calamities did.

Also just for the sake of not confusing PLAYERS I doubt the writers are going to have npcs call it the 8th calamity. Kind of like how in WoW the 'first second and third wars' refer to WC 1-3 even though that naming convention mostly makes sense more for players to know 'oh it's talking about that game' rather than making all that much sense in and of themselves.

We really won't know for sure itnil 6.0 hits, but I doubt they're going to write that into the story.

My understanding is that the lore books are written from an in-universe perspective, and the first contains a pretty decent explanation of what does and does not (and did and did not, prior to the seventh umbral calamity) constitute a calamity, as well as knowledge of the ardor, or rejoining.
I think this information is also outdated following our enlightenment on the First, but I think anyone who understands the cycles of calamities will also understand whether or not this qualifies as one.
It would be fun if this scholarly understanding of calamities and the ardor are actually why our friends over at Old Sharlayan are so confident that the world is not ending. I would love to see a story that touches on how academic overconfidence can lead to ignorance.

As for commoners who may or may not even be literate? It would make sense for them to conflate a new type of world-ending phenomena with the one they witnessed less than a decade ago.
But how would those commoners know anything about the aetherial nuances of the calamities?

Plus, who knows? It could be another actual calamity in the making. Even if Fandaniel and Zenos don't care about the ardor, I can't help but wonder what the others are up to.
Perhaps Deudalaphon is still out there, trying to capitalise on this situation.

Honestly we haven't even seen any final days yet. I really think they dropped the ball with this transition from shadowbringers to endwalker. There's no final days, there's no chaos, there are no endtime monsters running around. None of that has actually happened.

personally I find it annoying how they keep bringing up these final days but no such thing is actually happening. In fact we just keep beating away the bad guys.. sooooo..? where's the final days we keep hearing about?

Based on the Benchmark trailer, it's happening or about to happen in Garlemald

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Originally Posted by Katie_Kitty

Honestly we haven't even seen any final days yet. I really think they dropped the ball with this transition from shadowbringers to endwalker. There's no final days, there's no chaos, there are no endtime monsters running around. None of that has actually happened.

personally I find it annoying how they keep bringing up these final days but no such thing is actually happening. In fact we just keep beating away the bad guys.. sooooo..? where's the final days we keep hearing about?

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I prefer the suspense of an impending disaster to there actually being one happening but not being able to do anything about it until the expansion releases.

I'd assume that this "gate of the gods" Fandaniel is talking about is what's going to actually start causing the world to unravel when the time comes and will likely be what drives the Scions and everyone else to make their move on Garlemald after conducting more investigations in Thavnair and Sharlayan/Labyrinthos.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I prefer the suspense of an impending disaster to there actually being one happening but not being able to do anything about it until the expansion releases.

I'd assume that this "gate of the gods" Fandaniel is talking about is what's going to actually start causing the world to unravel when the time comes and will likely be what drives the Scions and everyone else to make their move on Garlemald after conducting more investigations in Thavnair and Sharlayan/Labyrinthos.

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When did Fandaniel talk about a gate of the gods? I think my memories just hazy here, but that possibility excites me, because that was something the Zilart(ancinets of FFXI) were after across a couple of storylines.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

When did Fandaniel talk about a gate of the gods? I think my memories just hazy here, but that possibility excites me, because that was something the Zilart(ancinets of FFXI) were after across a couple of storylines.

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I remember it being mentioned in the last current MSQ

I'll have to review. Wonder why I missed that :O>

yeah i am still waiting for the legions of voidsent to start failing from he sky so they can killed by me. To comon folk it could be a calamity but to others if there isn't an active ascian plot going on in other worlds, then it isn't a rejoining. I fully expect to see the same voidsent that contributed in aumorat's fall. I think the first beast showed up in the bench mark still waiting for therion.

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

I'll have to review. Wonder why I missed that :O>

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Exact English quote:

Fandaniel

"Then let us begin the preparations at once. With the “gateway of the gods” complete, all that remains is to gather the necessary aether, and our prize shall be within reach!"

"The time has come to fulfill your heart's desire! My desire!"

"To relieve those wretched creatures of their meaningless existence!"

Im curious if the other languages also refer to it as "Gateway of the Gods" or if that's localization flare!

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Originally Posted by Grimr

yeah i am still waiting for the legions of voidsent to start failing from he sky so they can killed by me. To comon folk it could be a calamity but to others if there isn't an active ascian plot going on in other worlds, then it isn't a rejoining. I fully expect to see the same voidsent that contributed in aumorat's fall. I think the first beast showed up in the bench mark still waiting for therion.

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I wonder whats up with the monster we saw in the benchmark. Its far more "elongated" if I had to pick a word. The first beast we saw in Amaurot looked like a caterpillar and this one looks like a centipede lol. If the moon really is a chunk of the old world sent adrift the REAL first beast is probably still up there since we fought a simulacrum.

(Also I'm pretty sure that since the nightmares that destroyed Amaurot have the prefix "Terminus" it makes them different then Voidsent. Since Voidsent is a term used for the victims of the Flood of Darkness on the 13th.)

I am a bit curious as to just how the hordes of terminus beasts are going to come into being given that unlike the original Final Days, there aren't any powerful creation magicks running rampant to fuel their existence.

Perhaps the towers are simply able to summon them in lieu of lunar primals as a lesser, but still problematic threat...though it seems like they're liable to remain an issue even after we've gone to Garlemald and dealt with the primal there due to the pre-release material suggesting things in Thavnair go to heck after our initial visit to the region.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

I am a bit curious as to just how the hordes of terminus beasts are going to come into being given that unlike the original Final Days, there aren't any powerful creation magicks running rampant to fuel their existence.

Perhaps the towers are simply able to summon them in lieu of lunar primals as a lesser, but still problematic threat...though it seems like they're liable to remain an issue even after we've gone to Garlemald and dealt with the primal there due to the pre-release material suggesting things in Thavnair go to heck after our initial visit to the region.

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In Pagl'than we see Fandaniel employ Allagan Technology along with TeloTech at the second boss. Harken back to the Biomatter plant in Azys Lla, and the Bioweapon storage in Second Coil. How many other Allagan Bioweapon facilities might Fandaniel employ and alter, modeling and improving the technology with his store of Ancient memories?

The way the terminus beasts dissolve into an unpleasant ooze when they're slain in the benchmark trailer as opposed to simply dissipating into aether like the Lunar primals does seem to suggest that they may be of dissimilar origin.

If the "gateway of the gods" is some kind of teleportation device meant primarily for providing easy access to the moon, it could just as easily be used to transport hordes of biological monstrosities created by the Allagan tech the Garleans are known to have hijacked (Which might be what we were seeing at Thavnair in the Shadowbringers trailer).

It may also be that the Ancients kept concept crystals for the monstrosities in the Mare Lamentorum, and Fandaniel is going to get the designs to replicate them from there.