Amaro account wide?

I'd like to start a movement to get the Amaro to be an account wide mount.

I just got mine, on one character. According to my rough records it took about 8 months. And I play a lot. There are a ton of single and more character mounts on the Mog Station for $25-$30, which is about 2 - 3 months subscription, for account wide mounts for a single character - like Amaro.

Yes, I know that FFXIV is very ALT Unfriendly. I've been playing for three years or so.
But I have lots of Alts for my own reasons. I submit the argument that Alt - Unfriendly is one thing, but Alt Hostile or Alt Punishing is quite another thing.

Don't we think?
Are there other Achievements that have a similar Alt punishing nature?
Mentoring?

Other features that are unnecessarily Alt Unfriendly? One that comes to mind for me is sharing Gil or Loot with Alts. But that's easy to get around if you have a trusted friend.

What are your thoughts?

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I mean... for the talk of alt-unfriendly... we do have 100 macros that shared between all characters. Which is useful for crafting on alts.

I don't think they need to change the Amaro mount though.

And as for what else would be a pain, anything that has a large milestone. All 4 tanks mounts, 10k HQ crafting/gathering titles, The Hunt Mounts, PvP mounts, etc.

Here's a suggestion to throw against the wall.

Any task in the game that takes more than a "Month of Subscription Time" to achieve by a "Full Time Player" [more than 4 hours per day] shall be promoted to "Account Wide".

Just a thought.

I have played games that run all over in terms of being friendly or whatever to alts. my last very long term mmo was WoW, where you need alts for everything
so, in a way, I understand, and I get that you have alts in a game for your own personal reasons, but they are your reasons.

I also get that you feel, since the lack of it puts YOU out, it should be changed. I am sure there are some that agree with you.
I for one, disagree,
if you feel you need to create alts thats the way you want to play. but for me, if something like this is going to cut into development or resources for content, or for many who have been complaining lately about lack of different things in seasonal events, I can see where you may have a hard time gaining favour for this.

but for the amaro and things like it, its to show that one character has all the jobs to 80, why should your alts get one if they havent? to prove that you have an alt with all 80's? your reasoning escapes me somehwat I have to admit.

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

but for the amaro and things like it, its to show that one character has all the jobs to 80, why should your alts get one if they havent? to prove that you have an alt with all 80's? your reasoning escapes me somehwat I have to admit.

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Some pretty mounts just prove that I paid $30 and are account wide. Yes Amaro proves that a player succeeded to level every job to level 80. I don't see what further is proved by doing that task over and over since "Mastery" of all the jobs is already proven. Does "Mastery of all jobs to level 80" mean skill or just Grind? I assume the game designers meant to reward "Skill" not just "Grind". This distinction explains the use the terms "Hostile" vs "Unfriendly". I'm not clear whether one could "Pay" for Amaro by purchasing level 80 boosts on every job. That's another question beyond "Skill" vs "Grind".

Recently there has been much discussion on line about various games who "Respect the player's time". And generally, the consensus that I'm aware of suggests that FFXIV does indeed respect the player's time. Perhaps there are some ways, like the Amaro mount where this is not true.

IMHO

I'll never stop banging the drum for alts and houses. The game knows I have a house on my account. The game can tell my alt and my main share a world. Why is my alt in this limbo of being a homeless home owner?

People in the past have asked for an account wide minion/mount collection folder. Other things mentioned are a specific shared storage for characters on the same world along with personal homes being shared with all characters on the same world or an easy way to mail items between your own characters.

Considering we are not supposed to share accounts with others it makes sense. I mean, part of me is saying “no, no, each character needs to unlock it”, but at the end of the day it is pure cosmetics, so why not.

At the very least if they are on the same server.

I have my main character and 7 alts. I just got the amaro myself on the main not too long ago. And I'm adamantly in the "no" category. Something like that I should put in the work to get on every character where I want one. It's an achievement personal just to that character. Same with relics, titles, minions, and orchestrion rolls. Again, I love alts, and do think the game is alt-unfriendly in some ways. But there are certain things you shouldn't be able to shortcut.

I'm fine with account wide Mogstation items because there wasn't anything required except some spare funds. I think they should have more account wide items there.

One big thing that could help with alts is shared storage including items, gil, and shards/crystals/clusters. So basically what you can put in the company chest. I get around this now because I have my own FC and they're all in it. But I have played plenty of much older MMOs where this was a basic feature. Also sharing houses with your alts. EQII has a trustee system so all of my characters have access to everyone else's house and I can customize the level of access.

No I don't think it being account wide would make any sense.

Not to be a wet blanket but getting every job to 80 isn't something that's that big of a deal really. Maybe for completely brand new players but say someone like me, I only had to get 10 levels on every job during ShB and that hardly feels account-wide achievement worthy. Not that I'm against the idea but let's be honest, leveling in this game is one of the easiest things to do.

Eh, each of my alts has a mount they use that is deeply personal to them, since they're all RP alts to some degree. Grandma rides on a broomstick, my GEO in hiding rides the cloud mount, and my 1.0 character rides the old Goobbue since it's the rarest mount any of them own. The main character is the only one that has all 80s, so she's the one who has earned the amaro.

Cosmetic or not, it wouldn't feel right to have that on my level 1 scraggly characters.

They can all ride Fatter Cat instead.

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Originally Posted by LisSquid

I'll never stop banging the drum for alts and houses. The game knows I have a house on my account. The game can tell my alt and my main share a world. Why is my alt in this limbo of being a homeless home owner?

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While I'm inclined to side with the 'no' on the Amaro -- and other achievement mounts -- I'm definitely on-board with this one. I would like to use my house on both my alts. We already have a massive housing problem, to a point that they've imposed a one-personal-house-per-service-account-per-world limit. If they've outright stated I cannot have a second house on my service account (which I do agree with), there's no rational reason they should not therefore let my alt have access to the house I have managed to get.

There's a difference between "I need to do this thing on all characters in order to have the perk on all of them", and "the game itself imposes a limit that you can only do this on one character"; the former, I can put in the time and get something on all characters, so it makes sense to make it achievable on all characters. (Savage raid mounts, Extreme trial mounts, the amaro, etc.) The latter, no matter what I do, my alt cannot get a house since my main has one. Why can't my alt use my main's house? I can make my friends into tenants so they can use the garden and whatnot... why isn't my alt automatically treated like a tenant?

I like the idea of account wide stuff, well for Mog Shop I think that should be standard no matter, but for in game stuff this concept I feel has potentially some whiplash consquences... Since quite a few players have probably enjoyed that each character is tracked seperately, and then suddenly that is gone would be a feature loss.

If we were starting FFXIV from ground zero before players invested I think I'd certainly say make this stuff account wide, but now that the opposite is accepted I think this might amount to losing something if you start to go wild on account wide achievements, mounts, etc. (Though I also think allowing houses would be a good idea, given the systems limitations the easier to share that the better).

No it is then... LOL

Well, I personally think it would make sense for all the achievements to be account-wide, especially because all the characters play the same.
But I am guessing some people would not like it...

Amaro? No. I'd say the same thing for every single achievement item as well.

House? Sure. Should honestly be shared with your characters on the same world server.

I love my alts. I know I don't need them, but they are fun, and I like telling their stories.

I have two more jobs to get from 70 to 80 on my main so that I can finally have my Amaro. There is absolutely no way any of my alts deserve an Amaro mount. An achievement is an achievement, keep it that way. I'm still perplexed why all my alts get a Legacy chocobo, they didn't ride to Carteneau! Thankfully only Elai gets the tattoo.

Rewards for achievements should never be account wide.