Gold sellers are getting worse on my server

I'm reporting them as fast as I can, but it feels endless. Like the zerg. I'm just chilling crafting my coffee biscuits, and i see it pop up.

Not surprised. They are trying to cash in on the increase in the ffxiv population.

its an unfortunate side effect of popularity

Ya, I'm going to keep reporting as I see and hope everyone does.

reporting doesn't do much, they expect to be banned. So for everyone you get banned, a new one pops. The only thing that matters is if you could get rid of the big chonky bank accounts they have and those will not put themselves in danger by teleporting or weird names those few accounts are old players accounts of players who sold their accounts.

So they look virtually nothing different like any other player. Their the ones who make the RMT cash. This is why every month we get a "omg we kicked like 20k RMT's" and it never does anything because the RMT hit the reset button and the show continues.

Reporting them is about the same as herding cats, if it makes you happy its valid but its futile sadly. RMT are part of every MMO and the bigger the MMO is the more RMT action happens.

You can thank the players who buy from them while making pathetic excuses about how it's the game's fault for that.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

reporting doesn't do much, they expect to be banned. So for everyone you get banned, a new one pops. The only thing that matters is if you could get rid of the big chonky bank accounts they have and those will not put themselves in danger by teleporting or weird names those few accounts are old players accounts of players who sold their accounts.

So they look virtually nothing different like any other player. Their the ones who make the RMT cash. This is why every month we get a "omg we kicked like 20k RMT's" and it never does anything because the RMT hit the reset button and the show continues.

Reporting them is about the same as herding cats, if it makes you happy its valid but its futile sadly. RMT are part of every MMO and the bigger the MMO is the more RMT action happens.

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A whole bunch of rpers been helping me report now, and it seems to have died down now. So not sure if they got tired or something happen. But so far it slowed down. It was getting bad for awhile.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You can thank the players who buy from them while making pathetic excuses about how it's the game's fault for that.

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and here I am crafting these stupid biscuits for profits.

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Originally Posted by Voidedge_Ragna

Reporting them is about the same as herding cats, if it makes you happy its valid but its futile sadly.

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Perhaps, but I'd suggest that apathy is worse. If my report adds just a drop in the bucket, so be it. Even if it's complete futility, I'd still choose it over apathy.

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Originally Posted by Breakbeat

Perhaps, but I'd suggest that apathy is worse. If my report adds just a drop in the bucket, so be it. Even if it's complete futility, I'd still choose it over apathy.

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Its not Apathy, its acceptance. You try to fight a system that creates a new bot the moment one is deleted. A fight that can not be won has no value to be fought.
Its about the same as shovelling a hole and throwing the dirt straight up, you can pretend you shovel but its still gonna land right back on the same spot.

Keep up the good fight.

I see 1-2 Bots shouting (per Week) and report them.
Buying Gil for real money is far from effektiv in my opinion.
I dont see many Bots so i hope there arent many people who buy gil. :)

Use plugin to filter them.

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

You can thank the players who buy from them while making pathetic excuses about how it's the game's fault for that.

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LUL Yes blame the players when SE has shown they rarely if ever go after the buyers unless they incriminate themselves. If someone has money then time and with the protections offered by CC companies why not spend a little extra to gain more enjoyment out of their hobby.

It is in SE for not taking such things into consideration.

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Originally Posted by Awha

LUL Yes blame the players when SE has shown they rarely if ever go after the buyers unless they incriminate themselves. If someone has money then time and with the protections offered by CC companies why not spend a little extra to gain more enjoyment out of their hobby.

It is in SE for not taking such things into consideration.

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No, it is entirely the fault of the buyers that RMTers exist. It is impossible for any one MMO to completely stomp out gold sellers and bots, because they go into it expecting to get banned. Why is it worth going through all the effort and getting hundreds of accounts banned to farm and advertise gold? Because there exists a demand for it, in the form of the people willing to buy illegitimate gold.

WoW couldn't completely get rid of them, so they introduced the WoW Token as a legitimate way for people to buy gold, and RMTers still exist in WoW, albeit selling their contraband at much lower prices to match or beat the token. It's the same reason why the War on Drugs failed in the US; where there is a high enough demand, people will move mountains to introduce their supply.

Blaming the problem on SE is ignorant at best, when even Actiblizz couldn't solve the problem in it's prime.

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Originally Posted by Awha

LUL Yes blame the players when SE has shown they rarely if ever go after the buyers unless they incriminate themselves. If someone has money then time and with the protections offered by CC companies why not spend a little extra to gain more enjoyment out of their hobby.

It is in SE for not taking such things into consideration.

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Hang on a minute, you're lecturing me in another thread about how people have to take personal responsibility when it comes to gambling addiction. Yet here it's the game developers fault because players are funding an industry that significantly impact the game in a negative way. That's seems to be the opposite of your views on gambling.


I honestly don't understand why anyone buys gil in this game, what do they even spend it on? it's not like they can use it to buy a house, there aren't any available. They can buy clears I suppose but that seems meaningless to me if they paid for the clear and other than that?....... Everything else is easily affordable from just.... existing in game.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

No, it is entirely the fault of the buyers that RMTers exist. It is impossible for any one MMO to completely stomp out gold sellers and bots, because they go into it expecting to get banned. Why is it worth going through all the effort and getting hundreds of accounts banned to farm and advertise gold? Because there exists a demand for it, in the form of the people willing to buy illegitimate gold.

WoW couldn't completely get rid of them, so they introduced the WoW Token as a legitimate way for people to buy gold, and RMTers still exist in WoW, albeit selling their contraband at much lower prices to match or beat the token. It's the same reason why the War on Drugs failed in the US; where there is a high enough demand, people will move mountains to introduce their supply.

Blaming the problem on SE is ignorant at best, when even Actiblizz couldn't solve the problem in it's prime.

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Originally Posted by Artemiz

Hang on a minute, you're lecturing me in another thread about how people have to take personal responsibility when it comes to gambling addiction. Yet here it's the game developers fault because players are funding an industry that significantly impact the game in a negative way. That's seems to be the opposite of your views on gambling.


I honestly don't understand why anyone buys gil in this game, what do they even spend it on? it's not like they can use it to buy a house, there aren't any available. They can buy clears I suppose but that seems meaningless to me if they paid for the clear and other than that?....... Everything else is easily affordable from just.... existing in game.

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Thing is the community placing the blame on the buyers in irrelevant we have no say or power over the actions of other. Also buyers generally probably do take personal accountability for their actions they are just putting their own enjoyment ahead of others.

In the the end sure RMT will always be a factor but as someone who use to sell gold in WoW as a summer job and still friends with many who engage in RMT our personal fear is the banning of those who buy which will cut our demand. Banning the seller is moot it is just part of doing business.

In the end if people want to break the rules that is on them I do not see people who partake in RMT complaining because generally people understand the risk that is associated with it on both a personal and communal level.

Also the reason behind why someone buys currency in a game is moot sure the devs will never be able to get rid of RMT 100% but they can still provide means to curb it.

Personally I think it is ignorant of the community to blame buyers when we have no control over how an individual chooses to spend their money. We can mock them but what does that solve? As mentioned if SE had less lax rules regarding buyers then may be that would dissuade some from taking part. I do not think I ever mentioned it is possible to get rid of RMT 100% but as someone that sold my greatest fear is when a company starts to ban buyers since if buyers do not feel they are safe they will not take part.

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Originally Posted by NegativeS

WoW couldn't completely get rid of them, so they introduced the WoW Token as a legitimate way for people to buy gold, and RMTers still exist in WoW, albeit selling their contraband at much lower prices to match or beat the token. It's the same reason why the War on Drugs failed in the US; where there is a high enough demand, people will move mountains to introduce their supply.[/I]

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The funny part is that the wow token actually made the amount of botting activity increase in WoW, rather than decrease.

They aren't getting smacked for botting, they're getting smacked for chargebacking to make that botting worth it. Once a system is put in where you don't have to pay a sub anymore however, suddenly, they don't need to worry about doing chargebacks, as it's already covered by Blizzard.

It's why I don't want that here. The spike of our already populated enough botting activity would be really bad.

Edit: I'm not gonna quote copy here cuz I'm lazy, but, RMT is on the fault of both. Buyers make it more common, but if companies don't punish the buyers, they are more free to do it. If you punish the buyer, people will become more scared to do it, and it'll reduce buyers, which'll reduce rmt.

So, yes, ban the buyers.

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Originally Posted by Awha

Thing is the community placing the blame on the buyers in irrelevant we have no say or power over the actions of other. Also buyers generally probably do take personal accountability for their actions they are just putting their own enjoyment ahead of others.

In the the end sure RMT will always be a factor but as someone who use to sell gold in WoW as a summer job and still friends with many who engage in RMT our personal fear is the banning of those who buy which will cut our demand. Banning the seller is moot it is just part of doing business.

In the end if people want to break the rules that is on them I do not see people who partake in RMT complaining because generally people understand the risk that is associated with it on both a personal and communal level.

Also the reason behind why someone buys currency in a game is moot sure the devs will never be able to get rid of RMT 100% but they can still provide means to curb it.

Personally I think it is ignorant of the community to blame buyers when we have no control over how an individual chooses to spend their money. We can mock them but what does that solve? As mentioned if SE had less lax rules regarding buyers then may be that would dissuade some from taking part. I do not think I ever mentioned it is possible to get rid of RMT 100% but as someone that sold my greatest fear is when a company starts to ban buyers since if buyers do not feel they are safe they will not take part.

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Yeah that's great and everything but you're still being a hypocrite. You are acting as an apologist for gil buyers and saying it's the companies fault, yet with gambling it's all about the person and not the industry/company.

All your post does is spell out why you have this bias.

Why would anyone worry about such a thing?

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Originally Posted by TeraRamis

Why would anyone worry about such a thing?

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People find the spam annoying I guess, I just ignore it personally. though I don't think it's particularly bad right now to be honest.

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Yeah that's great and everything but you're still being a hypocrite. You are acting as an apologist for gil buyers and saying it's the companies fault, yet with gambling it's all about the person and not the industry/company.

All your post does is spell out why you have this bias.

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Your point I am human of course I have a bias towards things that impact me. Though let us be fair is it being an apologist when the reality is as a community we have no power what so ever how people spend their money and where? Can we really say this is even up for debate? We as a community cannot solve the problem of how people choose to spend their money.

Only ones that can control said actions is the person and the company to a degree. If SE had a stricter policy in place then it would curb on the buyer side cause the risk may not be worth the reward.

Also yeah everyone is a hypocrite one way or another just depends on the subject and how it impacts them.

Here is the funny thing every suggestion or solution to RMT is largely dependent on the company. Also I am not defending the action per-se I am not saying people should not be punished or it is not against the rules what I am saying is tye community blaming the buyers is an exercise in futility cause as I said what does blaming the buyer do? You think chastising them will get them to stop? You think someone who buys currency cares how they impact another person?

I mean I am open to what does blaming the buyer do outside of making people feel better. I am just being realistic and blaming someone that will not change unless a better means is offered or is associated with greater risk that does not outweigh the benefit.

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Edit: I'm not gonna quote copy here cuz I'm lazy, but, RMT is on the fault of both. Buyers make it more common, but if companies don't punish the buyers, they are more free to do it. If you punish the buyer, people will become more scared to do it, and it'll reduce buyers, which'll reduce rmt.

So, yes, ban the buyers.

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Yes, please. People aren't stupid. They know when they support a shady gilseller, they will stay in the game produce more bots and shouters.

But they are selfish. Personal gain is more important than nuisance for the community. Do we really want that?