9S Automaton is not appearing per patch notes

9S Automaton is not appearing per patch notes. I had buds in other parties they also confirmed the did not have it appear also.

Date & Time: 07/20

I experienced the same thing. I ran the raid not long after maintenance ended and can also confirm that the chests were only dropping the usual loot.

9S is not a guaranteed drop.

Had the same issue, plus in duty finder it will also give the message, Reward already received after completion. Reward already received should not appear anymore since weekly restrictions have been removed.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

9S is not a guaranteed drop.

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Per the patch notes, 9S and other items like the Stuffed Android Units "will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Tower at Paradigm's Breach" meaning the intent was to have all of the drops be 100% for each party akin to what was done with the previous two alliance raids and their rare drops in 5.5.

Thanks for creating this thread, I have the same concerns, but you need to edit your first post to use the template (in post 2 of their stickied thread):

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...-THIS-FIRST%29

If you don't they'll likely just close and move this to "Insufficient information" / "Not a bug report".

I don't disagree at all with what you wrote, but it's just how they work :(

Regarding the "reward already received": the weekly restrictions on loot drops and the coins have been removed, but the restriction on materia clusters is still there. That's why you'll continue to see that message. You can see this in the duty description here:

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...y/f1a29897772/

As for particular non-gear drops, like the minions, they have always been random and do not drop in every duty. The only change in this patch is that you will only have to compete with people in your eight-person party to get them if they DO drop, not everyone in the raid. The intention was never to have them become 100% drops, and this was the case with the other Nier raids as well.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer

The intention was never to have them become 100% drops, and this was the case with the other Nier raids as well.

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Except in 5.5 the first two raids also had a patch like this, with identical wording, and they were changed to 100% drop rate.

Given that the wording on the two patches is identical, it implies the same thing should have happened here and that because it didn't, it's probably a bug.

5.5 patch notes:

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The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Copied Factory:

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Pod 054
Pod 316
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The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Puppets' Bunker:

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2B Automaton
2P Automaton
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5.58 patch notes:

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The following items will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Tower at Paradigm's Breach:

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Smaller Stubby
9S Automaton
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I agree, the wording ("will now appear in a treasure chest") is confusing. What they mean is "will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party [if they drop]" rather than "will appear in a treasure chest allotted to the entire raid [if they drop]". But none of the raids were changed to 100% drop rate for every one of those items. Perhaps the 2B coffer in Copied Factory, but you will not see all of the orchestrion rolls, minions, etc. in every run on these raids.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer

none of the raids were changed to 100% drop rate for every one of those items

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I only have my own experiences, but when I was trying to farm the minions from those raids (after the 5.5 patch) it took me quite a few attempts to actually win the rolls, but they both dropped, every single time. Maybe I was exceptionally lucky, but both raids and every time I tried, seems a bit unlikely?

I don't know about the other items though, I didn't really pay any attention to those.

Yeah, the wording is just ambiguous, unfortunately. I don't see evidence of a bug from my interpretation, but they need to use more precise language on this point.

For what it's worth, the Japanese patch notes are a bit clearer on emphasizing what actually changed:
以下のアイテムを獲得できる宝箱が、24人アライアンス向けの宝箱からパーティごとに出現する宝箱に変更されます。
The treasure coffer from which the following items can be obtained has been changed from a treasure coffer for the 24-man alliance to a treasure coffer for each party.

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Originally Posted by EorzeaWanderer

For what it's worth, the Japanese patch notes are a bit clearer on emphasizing what actually changed:

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The previous 5.5 Japanese patch notes also said exactly the same thing as well though :D

Oh well I guess we wait any see now!

After patch 5.5 I was farming both minions as well from the copied factory and puppetbunker and both dropped each time, cause I also had to run those multiple times before I won them.

ISP:
Xfinity

Type of Internet Connection:
CATV cable

Internet Connection Speed:
400mbps

Date & Time:
7/20/21 11:30 am to 12:30pm Eastern time zone

Frequency:
Unknown, tested twice with same results, others are commenting on this forum post with same results

World:
Phoenix

Character Name@Home World:
Alchalant Matijow @ Phoenix

Retainer Name:
None

NPC Name:
None

Monster Name:
Her Inflorescence

Class/Level:

Monk 80

Party or Solo:
Party - 8 - including Awenel Valentine @ Odin

Race:
Lalafell M

In-Game Time:
Unknown

Area and Coordinates:
Tower at Paradigm's Breach Nier Raid instance

Housing:
None

Steps:
We defeated Her Infloresence the final boss of the Nier Tower at Paradigm's Breach raid. The 3 coffer chests appear - 1 for each party now. The 9S Automaton minion and Stuffed Android Units items were not in the coffer.
When Puppet's Bunker and Copied Factory raids were updated to include 3 party coffers at the end of raid - both minions always appeared in the coffers. Now in the Tower at Paradigm's Breach update - we are not getting all the items listed from 5.58 patch notes. The patch notes say that each coffer should include these items, and they are not.

I've completed the other previously updated Nier raids Puppet's Bunker and Copied Factory weekly for upgrade coins, the coffer contents are always the same = both minions always appear. This is not working the same way with today's Tower at Paradigm's Breach update, and would like to ask for the loot table to be looked at and addressed.

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Originally Posted by Dirk_Jongeh

Had the same issue, plus in duty finder it will also give the message, Reward already received after completion. Reward already received should not appear anymore since weekly restrictions have been removed.

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That's normal for the rewards already received.. its meaning for the item you cash in for materia(I forget the name an ain't home to check) those are still once a week on the newest raid as they always have been.. once EW comes out with its 24man that will be removed from the ShB one

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Originally Posted by Zofis

Per the patch notes, 9S and other items like the Stuffed Android Units "will now appear in a treasure chest allotted to each party of an alliance when undertaking the Tower at Paradigm's Breach" meaning the intent was to have all of the drops be 100% for each party akin to what was done with the previous two alliance raids and their rare drops in 5.5.

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9S was not a 100% drop at first.
Now, it's still not guanranteed, but instead of fightning your roll with 23 others people, it'll only be with your own alliance.
That's what it actually means.

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

9S was not a 100% drop at first.
Now, it's still not guanranteed, but instead of fightning your roll with 23 others people, it'll only be with your own alliance.
That's what it actually means.

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I'm aware, but the issue at hand is the patch note wording—both in English and Japanese. The patch notes clearly indicate that the intent was for there to be parity between Tower and the previous two raids in terms of drops now because it's identical in wording to when the other items were made 100% drops in 5.5 proper.

Yeah the issue here is that it’s not working like the update to the other raids did. And we want to bring awareness to the devs to see if this was intentional or not- so they can check out the loot tables and make adjustment if necessary. The minion collectors noticed this immediately this morning due to previous update on others raids and anticipating the 3rd nier raid being unlocked in the same way.

Yeah, this is obviously a bug. People here are acting in bad faith. It was supposed to drop everything with an 100% chance for each party like it is with the previous 2 nier raids. The wording in the patch notes are the same in english and japanese. I just hope they fix this soon, I really want those minions.

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Originally Posted by Starshower

Yeah, this is obviously a bug. People here are acting in bad faith. It was supposed to drop everything with an 100% chance for each party like it is with the previous 2 nier raids. The wording in the patch notes are the same in english and japanese. I just hope they fix this soon, I really want those minions.

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Why would anyone act in bad faith ?
If it was supposed to be a 100% drop, it's even better. The minion is so rare I never saw it so having to chance to get it after that layer of rng.

The patch was supposed to unlock Tower at Paradigms Breach the same way Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker had been previously in 5.5 - where Yoshi had said in 5.5 live letter that the Copied Factory and Bunker rare minions would be much more easily obtainable.

After he said this in live letter - upon the 5.5 patch - Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker were given 3 final coffers - one for each party in the raid. All 3 of these coffers for each party now (as of 5.5) contain both the normal and rare minions, and all orchestrion rolls in the first 2 alliance raids. All possible loot now always appears in the final coffers of Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker.

This ticket is to raise attention because Tower at Paradigms Breach was similarly unlocked on 5.58 but the loot is not behaving in the same way as the adjustments on the other raids. They made the 3 party coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot table of each.

I hope this makes this clear. Players that farm and collect these items noticed this immediately. They were anticipating Tower being unlocked similar to the other 2 alliance raids - and the patch notes said the raid would be unlocked the same way the last 2 were - and they did add the 3 separate coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot tables.

I encountered this myself. The 9S minion did not appear in some of my runs from "The Tower at Paradigm's Breach."

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Originally Posted by KDSilver

9S was not a 100% drop at first.
Now, it's still not guanranteed, but instead of fightning your roll with 23 others people, it'll only be with your own alliance.
That's what it actually means.

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Neither were the Pod 316 from Copied Factory nor the 2B Automaton were guaranteed drops when they came out. However, when the patch notes to make the minion and orchestrion drops per party for the previous Yorha alliance raids, both Pod 316 and the 2B Automaton were always seen in their respective loot lists.

This time, the 9S Automaton minion did not follow this rule for the patch 5.5 alliance raid.

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Originally Posted by Alchalant

The patch was supposed to unlock Tower at Paradigms Breach the same way Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker had been previously in 5.5 - where Yoshi had said in 5.5 live letter that the Copied Factory and Bunker rare minions would be much more easily obtainable.

After he said this in live letter - upon the 5.5 patch - Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker were given 3 final coffers - one for each party in the raid. All 3 of these coffers for each party now (as of 5.5) contain both the normal and rare minions, and all orchestrion rolls in the first 2 alliance raids. All possible loot now always appears in the final coffers of Copied Factory and Puppets Bunker.

This ticket is to raise attention because Tower at Paradigms Breach was similarly unlocked on 5.58 but the loot is not behaving in the same way as the adjustments on the other raids. They made the 3 party coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot table of each.

I hope this makes this clear. Players that farm and collect these items noticed this immediately. They were anticipating Tower being unlocked similar to the other 2 alliance raids - and the patch notes said the raid would be unlocked the same way the last 2 were - and they did add the 3 separate coffers but overlooked adjusting the loot tables.

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This is the best answer in this thread so far.

I hope this gets fixed soon :(

I keep checking to see if there's any update on this (even to know if it's by design or if it was an oversight).

Going by the tokens/pieces I've upgraded I can tell I've ran it about 40 times so far and I've never even seen the 9S minion drop. I know it sounds melodramatic, but It's soul crushing to spend ~45 minutes in the raid for it to not even appear at the end (let alone actually have to win it...)

I know it's RNG at its best, but if it was something like an extreme primal we'd at least get a token that we could later trade in for the mount. Right now you could potentially run this a thousand times and never even see it drop and it just feels like a huge waste of time.

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Originally Posted by worldofneil

I keep checking to see if there's any update on this (even to know if it's by design or if it was an oversight).

Going by the tokens/pieces I've upgraded I can tell I've ran it about 40 times so far and I've never even seen the 9S minion drop. I know it sounds melodramatic, but It's soul crushing to spend ~45 minutes in the raid for it to not even appear at the end (let alone actually have to win it...)

I know it's RNG at its best, but if it was something like an extreme primal we'd at least get a token that we could later trade in for the mount. Right now you could potentially run this a thousand times and never even see it drop and it just feels like a huge waste of time.

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Yeah.. I'm a minion collector, but I can't stand that alliance raid.. The Red Girl boss causes me so much anxiety and distress with the effects that mess with my eyes and the jump scare which gets a very strong reaction for me... I'm waiting to see if they will fix this bug before I farm it, the less times I have to run that raid the better!

I’ll make this comment now since someone else just did another…

Every time this bug report gets commented on - it brings it to the top of the bug report list. They have already passed by the original date of this thread and moved everything else from 7/20 to another category.

I know this issue has gotten a lot of attention and is by far the highest viewed bug report - but if it keeps getting commented on and put back to the top of the list I’m afraid they are never going to see it to address it.

I recommend submitting an in game bug report to raise more attention to this issue and waiting for them to move this bug report to another category.

I especially recommend submitting an in game bug report because the original poster did not use the template (although I did post a comment with complete template) - so this may get tossed into insufficient information category based on original post.

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Originally Posted by Alchalant

I’ll make this comment now since someone else just did another…

Every time this bug report gets commented on - it brings it to the top of the bug report list. They have already passed by the original date of this thread and moved everything else from 7/20 to another category.

I know this issue has gotten a lot of attention and is by far the highest viewed bug report - but if it keeps getting commented on and put back to the top of the list I’m afraid they are never going to see it to address it.

I recommend submitting an in game bug report to raise more attention to this issue and waiting for them to move this bug report to another category.

I especially recommend submitting an in game bug report because the original poster did not use the template (although I did post a comment with complete template) - so this may get tossed into insufficient information category based on original post.

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I did just that, and I'll do a separate main post here too because I feel that this issue is one that should not be ignored.