bard mains Need a buff to party buffs

Bard really needs a buff to buffs , +2% crit rate from Wanderer's Minuet is not a buff lmao dancer trashes this class in term of buffing I like the class bard its fun enjoyable. HOWEVER how can you call 2% a buff i really wish the songs got a buff for the party as a whole bards are always support first dps after classes in any rpg you play in this game the support side of bard feels mid/ugh which makes me sad I enjoy bard a lot. So I hope in endwalker bard gets a buff or skills that makes them better as a whole. I love all the bard mains <3333333

A 2% always active up buff is pretty strong. Consider how strong Trick Attack is, and that's only 5% up every 60 seconds.

But bards gonna keep barding and complaining that they're not doing enough damage, and buffing the party enough....

i dont mind the "not enough" damage bard isn't supposed to damage in any game there job is too support the party with buffs/debuffs on enemy and damage second. The problem is there buffs are mid at best

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by os12ispeak

i dont mind the "not enough" damage bard isn't supposed to damage in any game there job is too support the party with buffs/debuffs on enemy and damage second. The problem is there buffs are mid at best

---

Pure support, or even primarily support doesn't work in this game. It's something that doesn't scale well in, say, 4-man dungeons compared to 8-man or 24-man raids. That doesn't even consider that if you're whole toolkit is support with minimal damage capability, it might be impossible to clear the battle orientated instances that exist within the story.

Bard in FFXIV is stated right from the beginning within the bard quests to still be an archer first and support second. And again, 2% up all the time isn't mild. It's meant to be balanced between other jobs in the game and other jobs within its role, which is why I had to bring up the buff provided by ninja which are considered strong while not being that much more (given it's up for only 15 out of ever 60 seconds) for barely more than twice the damage increase. One would argue that the bard buffs are over all as strong or stronger than the one move that ninja has.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by wereotter

Bard in FFXIV is stated right from the beginning within the bard quests to still be an archer first and support second.

---

The bard story centered around the guy who snuck off to try to be an archer first, leaving his undefended companions to get slaughtered by an ixal ambush, and telling us that the lesson to learn from him was that a bard should be supporting the party, not being a glory hog?

The 2% isn't constant. BRD has 3 party buffs that are constant rotating with the songs. 30s of a 1% straight dmg buff, 30s of a 2% crit buff and 20-30s, depending on long you wanna keep army up, of a 3% direct hit buff.

But overall a BRD does have some kind of buff up constantly. I do agree that they are a little weak but I can see how they can be OP if buffed too much. I think raising each one respectively by 1% would suffice.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by os12ispeak

Bard really needs a buff to buffs

---

Ok, but what about a buff to the buff to the buffs?

This is no time for half measures.

I'd rather they not be up all the time and instead be more powerful and selective. For instance, allow me to affect who gets more of the buff through my positioning, and/or let me time said buff via a toggle -- where the buff drains MP while active.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'd rather they not be up all the time and instead be more powerful and selective. For instance, allow me to affect who gets more of the buff through my positioning, and/or let me time said buff via a toggle -- where the buff drains MP while active.

---

So you want Foe's Requiem back.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So you want Foe's Requiem back.

---

I want agency, at the best combination of density (the most points of decision, nuance, etc., possible) and intuitiveness (requiring no new buttons nor convoluted concepts) by which it can be given.

Foe Requiem was faintly better than what we have now, but no, I would not call it sufficient.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

So you want Foe's Requiem back.

---

Yes. Foe's Requiem actually required some thought. A big part of the complaints numerous Bard mains have is how the removal of Foe's and Crit scaling took away any sort of agency from the job. Before you needed to think of your Foe timings, which were dependent on your comp. And Crit scaling meant you could manipulate Iron Jaws under raid buffs. While the latter definitely had power creep issues. Instead of making meaningful adjustments, they took it all away, reducing Iron Jaws to "press this at 3s".

Passive buffs are incredibly boring and lazy design. They have no impact on the user's gameplay and if removed tomorrow (with potencies buffed to compensate) would change absolutely nothing on how Bard plays or rotates its songs. This is why despite Bard functionally being very similar to its Stormblood iteration, it went from being the most popular DPS in the game to fighting with Monk for the least.

You can kick and you can scream

But complex jobs are never coming back!

All hail our casual overlords

We will know in mid September when they go over each jobs battle changes. I hope they listened to the feedback from the bard community. They absolutely destroyed this job in Shb to make room for dancer and now it’s their turn to make it right. Yoshi said there are some jobs that got completely overhauled and will play pretty differently than it currently does. Hopefully bard is on that list.