Field Records: RNG or Grind?

Was thinking on this, but it feels like for something like the 5 star ones, it would be better if they could come from running a set number of castrum / Dalraida runs rather than be given out via RNG. Duels being excluded from the equation, it never feels good having to run something hundreds of times without having at least some kind of pity system in place that can let you get one after X number of runs.

Like would it be better to have a chance to get something in 50 runs of castrum, or just give the person something after 50 runs of castrum? If 50 is too easy because they want them to come from duels, they could make it 75 runs to assure you get the item.

Personally, I'd love to have the Historian sell these things for a large amount of coins, maybe even an obscene amount. It'd still be progress and it'd keep people grinding in Bozja longer instead of giving up out of frustration.

They need SOMETHING to spend the coins on in Zadnor. Where you can buy the upgrades and sell them in Bozja, I very quickly had everything in Zadnor gear wise...
I got the bike already and my rng was actually good for once, but I wouldn't mind if they did this for others.

Would be nice if you can buy the upgrades for the other Bozja gear with the platinum coins. Like 100 of them for head/feet/arms, and 200 for chest/legs....hell, maybe even double those amounts with how many coins you can easily end up with.

I actually thought they'd let us upgrade old gear with the coins from Zadnor. It is really weird we don't get any mettle buff in southern front after rank 20 AND the way they are doing currency just makes things kind of difficult all around. Not sure what they are afraid of going wrong by allowing these things. I mean we need a ton of coins for armor upgrades in southern.

Poor RNG should have some way of buying the reward after a fixed farm. The way extreme and savage loot works should be a model for everything. I already liked all the rewards available with clusters because I had a lot of work to do, but I knew exactly how much and roughly how long it would take me.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Poor RNG should have some way of buying the reward after a fixed farm. The way extreme and savage loot works should be a model for everything. I already liked all the rewards available with clusters because I had a lot of work to do, but I knew exactly how much and roughly how long it would take me.

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With Lyon 1 from Southern Front the main issue is the RNG, the timing to get in, and the sheer number of runs required to even make it viable. It just makes no sense at all just for a field record, and the thing is needed for an achievement reward mount. They need a pity system or something to make it at least feel like you are getting somewhere instead of gambling your life away.

It's not so much the RNG that bothers me in itself so much as the fact that in some cases there's RNG stacked atop RNG to the point of frustration.

I do think that there should be some anti-frustration features in place for those who get very unlucky.

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Originally Posted by Theodric

It's not so much the RNG that bothers me in itself so much as the fact that in some cases there's RNG stacked atop RNG to the point of frustration.

I do think that there should be some anti-frustration features in place for those who get very unlucky.

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Yeah, this is also true. Fates largely spawn at random, even when the ones that require prep have been prepped. It could be hours before they actually show up, and even after all of that the note drop rates are so low it's unreal. Then there's the duels, which you have to survive a CE with 47 random people and take no avoidable damage (easier said than done depending on the CE) after waiting for that specific CE to pop at all, then you have to compete with anywhere from 4-12 other people to maybe get into the duel. CLL and Dalriada? Well, neither one isn't so bad as far as accessing and completing, but the drop late for Lyon's notes from CLL is way too low for the time investment at the end, made even worse by the 30-60 respawn timer depending on the instance. For Dalriada it takes that drop rate and makes it even more random by throwing 2 extremely rare drops into the same chest....

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My head hurts just thinking about all of that. lol I'm no stranger to RNG, both good and bad, but this is just...ridiculous to me.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

With Lyon 1 from Southern Front the main issue is the RNG, the timing to get in, and the sheer number of runs required to even make it viable. It just makes no sense at all just for a field record, and the thing is needed for an achievement reward mount. They need a pity system or something to make it at least feel like you are getting somewhere instead of gambling your life away.

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This is the only one I need now and I've been after it for the last 2 weeks. The other 2 that come from duels aren't so bad because they also come from skirmishes whereas Lyon is only available from CEs. When I was farming for Sart and Dabog I could at least join the others CEs if they spawned but if choctober spawns while I'm in castrum or vice versa I'm locked into one or the other. I've only ran CLL about 30 times total so I'm not too fussed about the drop rate just yet, if after 100 runs I haven't seen it I'll be more disapointed.

I wouldn't be against them adding a way of buying the notes but I would want it to be a grind still. Perhaps an item that can only be bought with 200 clusters and you need 2 for every rarity star that a field note has so 2000 clusters for a 5 star, 1600 for 4 star etc.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Was thinking on this, but it feels like for something like the 5 star ones, it would be better if they could come from running a set number of castrum / Dalraida runs rather than be given out via RNG. Duels being excluded from the equation, it never feels good having to run something hundreds of times without having at least some kind of pity system in place that can let you get one after X number of runs.

Like would it be better to have a chance to get something in 50 runs of castrum, or just give the person something after 50 runs of castrum? If 50 is too easy because they want them to come from duels, they could make it 75 runs to assure you get the item.

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It's just RNG.
Every time you get a loot opportunity, an invisible roll is thrown and you have x chance in 100 to get it. The rate has increased since the last patch or is it just an impression.
If the chance of loot is for example 0,01% you have a lot of chance not to get what you want.

The notion of grind for me is just very low gain, but at a good ratio, like the Eureka light farm from Stormblood on sleeping dragons. Or farm xp on mobs packs in loop.

I think the loot rate has increased, since the price per MB has gone from 15M to 400k for hairstyle. But it's still RNG.

Yes.

That RNG is brutal-- it is real, it is brutal, and I'm still frustratingly stuck at 47/50 for my field notes

No CE or its pre fates thats spawns in Bozja is random, they have triggers and there is a queue.

You can go in kill the mobs you need > your fate pops > kill it > no drop > jump out > retry.
You can kill the fate you want like twice an hour, the last one i needed was the cat with the unicorn which i had 50ish tries.

If you cant deal with the droprate of castrum and dalirada, theres the duels and dont tell me "well i never get in" notoriety helps you, the highest i ever got was notoriety 4 and that only happened once. Then its just "get gud" or "cheese it".

ALL southern frontline zones duels can be burned in 30-60sec by nearly all jobs.

Its an achievement, its not meant to be handed out free, grind for it ... or accept it and move on, there will be more mounts ... every single patch.
This is a lifeline for Bozja, to make players come back and while its prolly not needed right now it will keep players come back when bozja walks the way of eureka.

Both, so that people with awful luck aren't left behind.

I'm all for them selling various Field Notes for large amounts of Plat and Gold coins eventually. Preferably at the end of the expansion or whatever the last patch before that is. If people gotta suffer/wait for EX trial token trade-ins for mounts several patches later, I don't see why this shouldn't be much different. -It's still a QoL that's worth looking into though so this isn't a monumental feat for latecomers.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

Yeah, this is also true. Fates largely spawn at random, even when the ones that require prep have been prepped. It could be hours before they actually show up, and even after all of that the note drop rates are so low it's unreal. Then there's the duels, which you have to survive a CE with 47 random people and take no avoidable damage (easier said than done depending on the CE) after waiting for that specific CE to pop at all, then you have to compete with anywhere from 4-12 other people to maybe get into the duel. CLL and Dalriada? Well, neither one isn't so bad as far as accessing and completing, but the drop late for Lyon's notes from CLL is way too low for the time investment at the end, made even worse by the 30-60 respawn timer depending on the instance. For Dalriada it takes that drop rate and makes it even more random by throwing 2 extremely rare drops into the same chest....

https://media.giphy.com/media/26BRuh...s9RC/giphy.gif

My head hurts just thinking about all of that. lol I'm no stranger to RNG, both good and bad, but this is just...ridiculous to me.

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The CE to duel Lyon in SF is also the worst as there is always a possibility that you end up getting screwed by other players' position on random meteors aoe placement and also not getting on towers compared to the Scorpion boss which only has 2 vs 6.

The RNG is so thick you can taste it honestly

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Originally Posted by Jettinson

The CE to duel Lyon in SF is also the worst as there is always a possibility that you end up getting screwed by other players' position on random meteors aoe placement and also not getting on towers compared to the Scorpion boss which only has 2 vs 6.

The RNG is so thick you can taste it honestly

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Fact is that they shouldn't be using a pure RNG system for this marred with content that only very specific people are going to ever get. Bazja is literally a grinder, so the rewards should be measurable in time to complete. However, that isn't the case with the field notes because you can get every note but one, and if that one note is something like Lyon 1 or some 5 star, that one missing item can take over a month to acquire if at all. RNG is RNG so without a known pity system in place someone can go for half a year playing nightly and never see it.

I would be willing to trade x2000 Platinum coins for a single field note… but alas.